Feed Or Not Feed

[weasle 1,119]

Still aint having wolves aint like dogs or have it easier than dogs lol..

olves - Hunting

Wolves primarily hunt large mammals such as deer, moose, caribou, elk, bison and muskox. They prey on old, weak and young mammals, which are easiest to bring down. In the winter, wolves hunt in packs and have surprisingly low success rates: studies show that on average, a pack kills one large mammal for every 10 they chase. In the summer wolves hunt and travel alone or in pairs, and usually target young animals.

 

Photo: The U.S. Bureau of Land Management

Wolves may travel 10 to 30 miles (16 to 48 kilometers) each day in search of food. They will travel for long distances by trotting at about five miles (eight kilometers) per hour. They can run at speeds of 25 to 30 miles (40 to 56 kilometers) per hour for short bursts while chasing prey.

 

 

Wolves may not eat for a week or more but are capable of eating 20 pounds of meat in a single meal. If any meat is left, the wolves may come back later to eat it.

[trenchfoot 4,243]

Wolves may only eat once a week, but they certainly dont do so by choice. Surely, those wolves that eat most often will be the healthiest and perform better. the longer without food, the poorer the performance will be come. You dont need Sandymere's science to understand that.

 

Dogs have evolved from wolves, but the key word is evolved. And a dog needs fuel in the tank to perform to its best, and recover better

Edited October 6, 2014 by trenchfoot

[mushroom 13,268]

I never need to feed any animals I have kept as they have all been breatharians! They take their energy from mother earth air and rays of sunshine

[bunnys 1,228]

I would say sądny spostrzeżenie bang on, rys of old i fed pręty much same plenyty flesh and fastest in diet i believe it hangs in there logger and the dogsreserves are much greatet atb bunnys

[weasle 1,119]

Wolves may only eat once a week, but they certainly dont do so by choice. Surely, those wolves that eat most often will be the healthiest and perform better. the longer without food, the poorer the performance will be come. You dont need Sandymere's science to understand that.

 

Dogs have evolved from wolves, but the key word is evolved. And a dog needs fuel in the tank to perform to its best, and recover better

Point being lads think there dog going lamping is working harder than a wolf thats trying to survive in freezing temps day in day out.

There fore it stands to reason you dont have to rush home and feed your dog 8 hours (think thats how long it takes) before you can take it lamping.When its feed well and been lay in a warm kennel.

Shocking how narrow minded and far from nature antis are, you would expect more from hunters.

If you need sandymere to tell you when to feed your dog

 

Free thinking is free

[socks 32,253]

Seems to me your in the minority so you obviously must be right .... Comparing a running dog and a wolf when it comes to feeding and energy requirements is ludicrous ... You can't even compare a sled dog to a running dog when it comes to feeding for work as they are miles apart ........

[trenchfoot 4,243]

 

Wolves may only eat once a week, but they certainly dont do so by choice. Surely, those wolves that eat most often will be the healthiest and perform better. the longer without food, the poorer the performance will be come. You dont need Sandymere's science to understand that.

 

Dogs have evolved from wolves, but the key word is evolved. And a dog needs fuel in the tank to perform to its best, and recover better

Point being lads think there dog going lamping is working harder than a wolf thats trying to survive in freezing temps day in day out.

There fore it stands to reason you dont have to rush home and feed your dog 8 hours (think thats how long it takes) before you can take it lamping.When its feed well and been lay in a warm kennel.

Shocking how narrow minded and far from nature antis are, you would expect more from hunters.

If you need sandymere to tell you when to feed your dog

 

Free thinking is free

 

So is good advice, if you want to take it, or not, I couldn't care either way.

 

Enjoy your season Weasle, hope there's plenty of game on flat earth for them hungry dogs to run

Edited October 6, 2014 by trenchfoot

[weasle 1,119]

Whats the good advice feed your dog fattie food every day,That a well fed , fit dog with a bit of back on it, can and will survive and work, thought that had been mentioned

As for the wolves aint saying you shouldnt feed for a week and throw it in the snow and expect it to catch a ton of moose.

Just that a dog aint that far from them,a dog didnt evolve to eat every day,they probally didnt eat every day 100 years ago in britan and still dont with tribes ect,They dont need wrapping in bubble wrap and you dont have to give up your job to feed them every 8 hours.

My dogs do me they will keep tipping away.As nature intended hunting then feeding,not feeding then hunting bored now.

[neil cooney 10,416]

This is one of those very simple but complicated areas. In simple terms if you put enough petrol in your tank to last a day then you need to fill it up every day! In truth of course dogs carry reserve energy so can go without food for a day but it does mean they drain their fuel reserves, especially glucose. If you then push a dog with low reserves then they may not be able to replenish them fast enough. They don’t carry massive glucose stocks, although when worked they do carry more than non workers, so when not fed they have to turn fat into glucose, this takes time and energy so if subjected to repeated sprints that are fuelled by glucose they burn the diminished supplies until they get into trouble as they can’t convert the fat into glucose fast enough. That simple.

 

Starving for 24 hours is not long enough to do much more than reduce energy storage so the idea of detoxifying is not a consideration. But for the more complicated bit, starving for 72 hours causes the body to start to scavenge old cells as energy sources, things like worn out white cells, are broken down for this purpose. This means that immunity may be compromised during this phase. When the body is fed after the 72 hours it replaces all the scavenged cells thereby producing lots of new white cells etc. White cells are a central pillar of defence so having a regenerated defence system may have a beneficial effect on immunity.

 

So starving for 72 hours now and again may have pros and cons but for 24 hours likely just cons. If a dog was starved for 72 hours it would need at least 72 hours prior to working after feeding again and one starved for 24 hours would need 24 hours from feeding before working to replace the energy stores. I feed the main meal in the morning so stores should be well stocked for lamping in the evening. Then I feed a light meal again as soon as they have cooled down. If it’s a long night with a lot of runs or a few pretty hard ones a little snack now and then through the night, piece of an energy bar, is probably helpful, (think I’ve covered that before.)

Very good, interesting post there Sandymere.

I know some lads when starting conditioning starve for 72 hours but at the 48 hour stage they give 2 litres of a very weak ox-tail soup which the dog will drink quickly and this detoxes the kidneys by flushing them.

A lot of lads let a dog cool down before feeding (I'm talking about exercising here, not work as the dog will cool down in the vehicle anyway) but I once heard that in humans if you eat within 20 minutes of hard exercise you get maximum benefit from your food.

Do you know if this is the same with dogs ?

[TOMO 26,878]

Whats the good advice feed your dog fattie food every day,That a well fed , fit dog with a bit of back on it, can and will survive and work, thought that had been mentioned

As for the wolves aint saying you shouldnt feed for a week and throw it in the snow and expect it to catch a ton of moose.

Just that a dog aint that far from them,a dog didnt evolve to eat every day,they probally didnt eat every day 100 years ago in britan and still dont with tribes ect,They dont need wrapping in bubble wrap and you dont have to give up your job to feed them every 8 hours.

My dogs do me they will keep tipping away.As nature intended hunting then feeding,not feeding then hunting bored now.

Last two words are bang on weasel,,,,you are boring us now...

[sandymere 8,263]

 

This is one of those very simple but complicated areas. In simple terms if you put enough petrol in your tank to last a day then you need to fill it up every day! In truth of course dogs carry reserve energy so can go without food for a day but it does mean they drain their fuel reserves, especially glucose. If you then push a dog with low reserves then they may not be able to replenish them fast enough. They don’t carry massive glucose stocks, although when worked they do carry more than non workers, so when not fed they have to turn fat into glucose, this takes time and energy so if subjected to repeated sprints that are fuelled by glucose they burn the diminished supplies until they get into trouble as they can’t convert the fat into glucose fast enough. That simple.

 

Starving for 24 hours is not long enough to do much more than reduce energy storage so the idea of detoxifying is not a consideration. But for the more complicated bit, starving for 72 hours causes the body to start to scavenge old cells as energy sources, things like worn out white cells, are broken down for this purpose. This means that immunity may be compromised during this phase. When the body is fed after the 72 hours it replaces all the scavenged cells thereby producing lots of new white cells etc. White cells are a central pillar of defence so having a regenerated defence system may have a beneficial effect on immunity.

 

So starving for 72 hours now and again may have pros and cons but for 24 hours likely just cons. If a dog was starved for 72 hours it would need at least 72 hours prior to working after feeding again and one starved for 24 hours would need 24 hours from feeding before working to replace the energy stores. I feed the main meal in the morning so stores should be well stocked for lamping in the evening. Then I feed a light meal again as soon as they have cooled down. If it’s a long night with a lot of runs or a few pretty hard ones a little snack now and then through the night, piece of an energy bar, is probably helpful, (think I’ve covered that before.)

Very good, interesting post there Sandymere.

I know some lads when starting conditioning starve for 72 hours but at the 48 hour stage they give 2 litres of a very weak ox-tail soup which the dog will drink quickly and this detoxes the kidneys by flushing them.

A lot of lads let a dog cool down before feeding (I'm talking about exercising here, not work as the dog will cool down in the vehicle anyway) but I once heard that in humans if you eat within 20 minutes of hard exercise you get maximum benefit from your food.

Do you know if this is the same with dogs ?

 

 

 

Yes dogs and humans have a system that enables quick uptake of fuel in the period after exercise, if I'm working them on consecutive nights I feed as soon as cooled, ie within the 20 minutes, a light snack such as an energy bar, a handful of complete or an egg with a couple of biscuits what ever people prefer will do, just get some carbs etc in.

[socks 32,253]

There are non so blind as them that won't see .... Ignorance is bliss ........

[neil cooney 10,416]

Thanks Sandymere, that's better advice than those that say feed an hour after work.

[sandymere 8,263]

Thanks Sandymere, that's better advice than those that say feed an hour after work.

 

A post I made in 2011 quoting a 2009 post that mentions this

 

http://www.thehuntinglife.com/forums/topic/214324-pre-and-post-lamping-feeding/

 

"The process whereby glycogen is taken up by the dogs muscle cells is normally controlled by insulin but this is superseded while exercising and for approximately ½ an hour afterwards by another, faster, process, that could be described as direct uptake. As this process is so short acting, to utilize it, appropriate carbs need to be made available to maximize re-stocking of energy stores during or within half an hour of exercise. There is a reduced blood flow to the gastrointestinal system during exercise and for a period after but that does not mean that there is a complete cessation of digestion and appropriate carbs at this time will be digested and enter the blood stream, as glucose, to become available for this direct uptake system to utilize."

Edited October 6, 2014 by sandymere

[weasle 1,119]

Yes dogs and humans have a system that enables quick uptake of fuel in the period after exercise,

Thats because its natural

Sorry tomo Couldnt resist will leave the thread now for the back slappers and smoke blowers.

You cannot beat nature.