Feed Or Not Feed

[TOMO 25,976]

If you really want to learn go and make your own mistakes gaz,You wont learn blindly following others.

I"ll guarantee thats the best advice you will ever get on here

But with respect weasel,,it's exactly what you are doing,,blindly following others....

 

The reason you feed last thing at night,,,is because that's how you were taught when you were younger,,,I know cos I was the same,,,all the older chaps did it that I went out with....and you just take it as gospel,,,,and for the most part it works ....

[Silversnake 1,099]

 

 

so what about in summer (off season i believe) or when/if the dog has a couple of days off would it be detrimental/beneficial to skip a meal? as i said earlier my dogs miss every now and again but not before a hard day or night. i am sure not every body (good on those who do) works their dogs 7 days a week. am i harming my dogs? i have not noticed any negative effects.

Of course you wont Hurt it mate its a animal.

That's a relief! All the science and passion on here does my head in sometimes. I do respect peoples effort, experience and research but some people I guess just like a heated debate.atb

[greenman 221]

If you really want to learn go and make your own mistakes gaz,You wont learn blindly following others.

I"ll guarantee thats the best advice you will ever get on here

You could of said that ages ago and saved me reading 9 pages. I've kept working dogs longer than some a no where near as long as others. I'm lucky to have in my opinion, good dog men as friends I can ask for advise or opinions on what I'm doing. I don't always take it. I've taken ideas I've read on here over the years. Science and routine are a great starting point. As long as it's not detrimental to the dogs health, do what suits you. If your a professional or a serious amateur, or even just a moucher like myself. Either feed around your work, family life, the dogs needs or a combination of all of them. If it catches enough to keep you happy and its tails wagging you aren't far out.

[Gaz_1989 9,539]

If you really want to learn go and make your own mistakes gaz,You wont learn blindly following others.

I"ll guarantee thats the best advice you will ever get on here

I once made the mistake of running a dog on empty. I aren't blindly following anyone. Plenty of lads I know feed right before lamping and others don't feed on a lamping day. I do what I find works best. Feed them 6-8 hours before.

[sandymere 8,263]

 

Alas no Dead Eyes

 

All high activity sprinting type energy is mainly fuelled by glucose, fats power slower stuff, this is the basic biology of dogs, humans pigeons and probably Dinosaurs (just guessing on the last one). The brain and heart also uses glucose as its main energy source; ketones are part of the fuel use process and are also used as fuel by the heart and brain especially when glucose runs low.

 

 

To Quote myself

"Canine athletes depend on fats as their main fuel source when resting or at gentle exercise, 60% of energy supplied by fats at 40% of effort, however glucose converted from glycogen is needed especially during high intensity exercise such as sprinting. As exercise intensity increases the amount of glucose used increases whereas fat use remains relatively stable. So % of energy is supplied by glucose at 85% of effort. "

 

 

Anyone who talks in absolutes is usually wrong.

 

That said, some of the info you've given (re: humans) is generally accepted, depending on who you talk to, so I don't think you're entirely daft at all.

 

Where do wild dogs get these glycogen stores from then? Bearing in mind that taxonomically they're all still Canis Lupus?

 

I don't talk in abulutes just explain the biology.

One would expect a wolf to get the great majority of its glucose from converting other substrates into glucose by glyconeogenisis .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gluconeogenesis

but what the wolves that became dogs ate my well have include more vegetable matter, fruit etc. A main point is dogs have adapted optimise the use of carbohydrate/glucose as part of evolving into dogs so have gone beyond wolves and become dogs and the lifestyle of a dog is not that of a wolf so needs a diet ti suit its not their needs..

 

 

 

 

the write up of this study is very interesting if you really want to look at this area, alas you’ll will have to see beyond the carnivore to the survivalist.

 

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v495/n7441/full/nature11837.html

Edited October 8, 2014 by sandymere

[Casso 1,261]

Have never fed dogs that day if going out that night, never will

 

On the same note a hungry dog is more responsive and more driven , that's not coming from the hunting world it's from the protection dog world but I can see the relevance in it,

[socks 32,253]

Have never fed dogs that day if going out that night, never will

On the same note a hungry dog is more responsive and more driven , that's not coming from the hunting world it's from the protection dog world but I can see the relevance in it,

Absolute nonsense I have done a fair bit of work with protection dogs and they are never fasted to to be more responsive or driven .........

[Casso 1,261]

A hungry dog is more animated in every way , physically and emotionally, if you can't see that your not looking close enough

[socks 32,253]

A hungry dog has its mind on food not on the job and has less energy for the job in hand ....

 

This dog was never starved off and believe me he was plenty animated lol ........

 

 

[Casso 1,261]

Your putting human thoughts into a dogs mind , a dog just feels a void that needs to be filled, his response to that void will depend on the situation he finds himself in , either in the field , in the pit or with a bitch in season but he will have more vigour for them all the hungrier he is,

Sorry I have no pictures of all of the above mention behaviors

[socks 32,253]

Your putting human thoughts into a dogs mind , a dog just feels a void that needs to be filled, his response to that void will depend on the situation he finds himself in , either in the field , in the pit or with a bitch in season but he will have more vigour for them all the hungrier he is,

Sorry I have no pictures of all of the above mention behaviors

Your miles off fella ... A hungry dog is a hungry dog simple as that ... A well fed dog that is comfortable will be far more tuned into what he is doing ... Do greyhounds get starved before racing to run better ? No ... Do sled dogs get starved off before a race ? No ... Do protection dogs get starved off before a patrol so they bite harder ? No ...........

[Phil Win 79]

A hungry dog has its mind on food not on the job and has less energy for the job in hand ....

 

This dog was never starved off and believe me he was plenty animated lol ........

 

 

 

Great photo socks, how did you find it, working with german shepherds?

[Casso 1,261]

You gotta ask yourself what makes a wolf or any animal hunt, is it because they all love hunting, what forces any animal out from its resting place of safety to face the big bad world of eat or be eaten , they all feel the same pull, they all feel the same tension that comes from the gut , they all feel hunger in the same manner,

 

Now I don't care or haven't mentioned reserves of fuel, they all have reserves but what I'm saying they all feel the pull or call of the wild long before they're reserves deplete, I not sure why you keep mentioning starving ??

Edited October 8, 2014 by Casso

[roybo 2,873]

If I have a picky eater I miss a day they don't seem to take food for granted at eat up sharpish.

Wouldn't miss if they were going out that day but if it was mid-week no problem

[TOMO 25,976]

A hungry dog has its mind on food not on the job and has less energy for the job in hand ....

This dog was never starved off and believe me he was plenty animated lol ........

Nice pic that ken,,,your looking young in that pic,,,it's nice to look back on old pics when you only have one chin,,,lol