Another Child Killed By A Dog

[Born Hunter 17,763]

I once asked some bull breed owners what I should do if I was in a situation which an unfortunate dog owner was in. His collie was torn to shreds and had to be PTS.

Walking my dogs in a field when a very aggressive large bull breed attacks them.

What do I do?

Beat it with my fists or stick, no just makes it more angry and it may attack me.

Run away and let it destroy my dogs, nobody would want to live with that.

Nobody could give me a decent answer to how I could manage this situation, it just brought it home to me how much we are at the mercy of a dog hopefully being of good temperament.

Take your dog lead and choke the bull. In doing so you'll restrict it's ability to rag your dog and so limit the damage and at the same time the dog will choke off or pass out in relatively short time. What you do after that is up to you.

[gnasher16 30,103]

Gnasher totally disagree. Alsatian and shepherds can't be pets as they are guard dogs ? Greyhounds or whippets because they are bred to run after small animals ?

 

Of course not...............but the minute you stop breeding a Greyhound for its sporting ability the more problems you will have with it.......while that might not amount to much trouble in a dog bred specifically to run its going to amount to an awful lot of trouble in a dog bred specifically to fight !

Edited October 5, 2014 by gnasher16

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

 

The thing with Bull breeds is that they are no more manny than other dogs , it is the damage they can do should they decide to turn that makes them more dangerous. Other breeds of dog have been bred for centuries with the sole intention of being manny and bred solely for the purpose of guard/protection work, Bull bred dogs were not bred for this purpose they were/are sporting dogs. The Bull breeds have been removed from the environment they were intended for and now sit in houses as "status" symbols. A high prey drive dog of any breeding should not be sitting idle in a house just waiting for an opportunity to " kick off " . More people are bitten every year by Collies , Alsations , Rotties etc but when it's a Bull breed doing it the media sensationalises it and it makes the headlines more than the other breeds that are doing the majority of the attacks .

 

I remember when i first came onto these sorts of internet forums years ago and the stick i used to get ( one of them might even of been this forum when it had a bull breed section ) for saying Apbt,s dont belong in pet homes......i remember pulling up some of these idiots who stand around at athletic dog shows with their Irish Staffs that are bred " with a bit of leg " for no other reason than to look like an Apbt....producing their silly pedigrees of other Irish Staffs getting all excited because a dog in their pups pedigree once beat a pit bull......like their little family pooch was of such value if it did what a pit bull did and looked like a pit bull looked !.......Even a dumbell like me could see where it was all going and looking back they were the first generation of the egotistical idiots we see today with the shredded remains of what took good dogmen generations of knowledge to produce...............despite the odd ones that do make good pet dogs fighting dogs never have or ever will be a good breed to choose as a family pet but i guess there will always be idiots.

 

So...how many of them Irish staff (or whatever you want to call them)...have killed a kid?...seems a bit of an odd outburst

Edited October 5, 2014 by AKA-BRINDLE

[gnasher16 30,103]

 

 

The thing with Bull breeds is that they are no more manny than other dogs , it is the damage they can do should they decide to turn that makes them more dangerous. Other breeds of dog have been bred for centuries with the sole intention of being manny and bred solely for the purpose of guard/protection work, Bull bred dogs were not bred for this purpose they were/are sporting dogs. The Bull breeds have been removed from the environment they were intended for and now sit in houses as "status" symbols. A high prey drive dog of any breeding should not be sitting idle in a house just waiting for an opportunity to " kick off " . More people are bitten every year by Collies , Alsations , Rotties etc but when it's a Bull breed doing it the media sensationalises it and it makes the headlines more than the other breeds that are doing the majority of the attacks .

 

I remember when i first came onto these sorts of internet forums years ago and the stick i used to get ( one of them might even of been this forum when it had a bull breed section ) for saying Apbt,s dont belong in pet homes......i remember pulling up some of these idiots who stand around at athletic dog shows with their Irish Staffs that are bred " with a bit of leg " for no other reason than to look like an Apbt....producing their silly pedigrees of other Irish Staffs getting all excited because a dog in their pups pedigree once beat a pit bull......like their little family pooch was of such value if it did what a pit bull did and looked like a pit bull looked !.......Even a dumbell like me could see where it was all going and looking back they were the first generation of the egotistical idiots we see today with the shredded remains of what took good dogmen generations of knowledge to produce...............despite the odd ones that do make good pet dogs fighting dogs never have or ever will be a good breed to choose as a family pet but i guess there will always be idiots.

 

So...how many of them Irish staff (or whatever you want to call them)...have killed a kid?...seems a bit of an odd outburst

 

 

Im not aware of any Staffies that have killed kids thats not my point....my point was these idiots were placing their non combat dogs alongside real combat dogs and using the same terms and attributes in the portrayal of their own dogs......the whole fat tattooed skinhead standing around with a well ard staff was in my opinion yesterdays version of todays silly wog standing around with a pitbull and his trousers down by his knees........................not sure id call that an odd outburst i just call it having an opinion

Edited October 5, 2014 by gnasher16

[nitestalker 28 209]

Rip poor child bottom line is ppl need to learn no dog no dog can ever be trusted around a small child even a f***ing chihuahua can kill or destroy a new born baby's face if left alone never mind a bull I love bulls always have and will have had plenty but will never have my kids alone with any dog never worth the risk

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

 

 

 

The thing with Bull breeds is that they are no more manny than other dogs , it is the damage they can do should they decide to turn that makes them more dangerous. Other breeds of dog have been bred for centuries with the sole intention of being manny and bred solely for the purpose of guard/protection work, Bull bred dogs were not bred for this purpose they were/are sporting dogs. The Bull breeds have been removed from the environment they were intended for and now sit in houses as "status" symbols. A high prey drive dog of any breeding should not be sitting idle in a house just waiting for an opportunity to " kick off " . More people are bitten every year by Collies , Alsations , Rotties etc but when it's a Bull breed doing it the media sensationalises it and it makes the headlines more than the other breeds that are doing the majority of the attacks .

 

I remember when i first came onto these sorts of internet forums years ago and the stick i used to get ( one of them might even of been this forum when it had a bull breed section ) for saying Apbt,s dont belong in pet homes......i remember pulling up some of these idiots who stand around at athletic dog shows with their Irish Staffs that are bred " with a bit of leg " for no other reason than to look like an Apbt....producing their silly pedigrees of other Irish Staffs getting all excited because a dog in their pups pedigree once beat a pit bull......like their little family pooch was of such value if it did what a pit bull did and looked like a pit bull looked !.......Even a dumbell like me could see where it was all going and looking back they were the first generation of the egotistical idiots we see today with the shredded remains of what took good dogmen generations of knowledge to produce...............despite the odd ones that do make good pet dogs fighting dogs never have or ever will be a good breed to choose as a family pet but i guess there will always be idiots.

 

So...how many of them Irish staff (or whatever you want to call them)...have killed a kid?...seems a bit of an odd outburst

 

 

Im not aware of any Staffies that have killed kids thats not my point....my point was these idiots were placing their non combat dogs alongside real combat dogs and using the same terms and attributes in the portrayal of their own dogs......the whole fat tattooed skinhead standing around with a well ard staff was in my opinion yesterdays version of todays silly wog standing around with a pitbull and his trousers down by his knees........................not sure id call that an odd outburst i just call it having an opinion

 

Yeah i could see what you was saying...just an odd thing to insert into a thread about the tragic death of a child...i dont go in for the whole sterotypeing people thing...a bit ignorant...never judge a book by its cover and all that...just like not tarring all dogs with the same brush...but eveyones entitled to their opinion

[Truther 1,579]

The thing with Bull breeds is that they are no more manny than other dogs , it is the damage they can do should they decide to turn that makes them more dangerous. Other breeds of dog have been bred for centuries with the sole intention of being manny and bred solely for the purpose of guard/protection work, Bull bred dogs were not bred for this purpose they were/are sporting dogs. The Bull breeds have been removed from the environment they were intended for and now sit in houses as "status" symbols. A high prey drive dog of any breeding should not be sitting idle in a house just waiting for an opportunity to " kick off " . More people are bitten every year by Collies , Alsations , Rotties etc but when it's a Bull breed doing it the media sensationalises it and it makes the headlines more than the other breeds that are doing the majority of the attacks .

In all honesty mate i think bulls are less man aggressive than lots of other breeds, lots of dogs bite/attack out of fear, and the last thing going through a well bred game dogs mind is fear. Shit haphazard breeding leads to faulty dogs owned by numptys for the wrong reasons, in the right hands a well bred dog given something to focus its talents on is no more likely than anything else to attack anybody imo.

[C556 351]

It's about time that the dda was overhauled

 

Bull breeds now make up the overwhelming majority in rescue centres

 

Nows the time , jag the lot

 

Make it mandatory insurance on all bull mollasser types

 

Make every litter of staffs bull dogs mastiffs etc a thousand pound levvee after birth to help pay for registrations etc

 

No registrations? No insurance? No licence ?

 

Lift and jab

 

Make it financially impossible to own a dog of this type, it may seem drastic but iny eyes all the Staffords In the uk aren't worth a child's empty bedroom

Here's what'll happen - The idiots will start replacing their bull breeds with Alsations, Rottweillers and Dobermann etc. and they'll become the latest 'devil dogs' again.

[leegreen 2,169]

Wog... lol.

[bird 9,873]

 

Yes the pit bull terriers are no doubting dangerous dogs being so fast and powerful for relatively small dogs. . That tendency to 'snap' would be more owed to the terrier ancestry than the bull, the British bull dog is far more placid than the jack russel for example.

 

My father was a friend to Maurice Dann of Plymouth, I often had the privilege of roaming around his court yards with his boys when I was 11/12, I became fascinated with the temperament of these infamous dogs. . I knew what they were bred and used for and expected to be met the rails with fearsome vibes, instead they were steady and affectionate dogs, one of them, a retired bitch from what I can remember, she even lived indoors with the family. The ownership or lack of to these dogs make a monumental difference. It not an absolute rule, there are exceptions, but I would stick with - generally bad come from bad owners.

 

I have absolute trust in my two long dogs. . Both are big, strong and regularly worked, my old hag of a mother-in-law is always saying "keep them away from my grandson" I don't take too kindly to people informing me of what to do with my dogs and child, so the other day, I was sat in the garden with my boy on knee, mother-in-law present, I called my dogs from around the back, they both came and greeted by sniffing and lapping at the boy. Mother-in-law "oh, they like him? Ah yes. But would leave them alone with him? Absolutely not - why would anyone do that.

To say bad comes from bad or good comes from good depends entirely what you are classing as a good/bad trait...good/bad owner......the greatest trait within an Apbt is gameness and the desire to never stop an aggressive encounter once started......yet in a family pet dog situation that is a risky,possibly disastrous trait to have !...................so is a person who sells the greatest trait the breed has into the worst possible type of home a good or bad owner/breeder ?

 

I probably sound like a broken record on this subject but i still maintain that the further you breed working/sporting dogs away from what they was designed for the more problems you will have with them........some of Mo Dann's dogs being perfect examples.....he used to have a lot of Mayfield dogs,a very genetically pure line of family dogs bred,tested and selected from the pit,although they didnt make great competition dogs in their own right they crossed brilliantly on any line and produced some great dogs due to their genetic strength,in other words the breeding was there.........these type of dogs usually ended up in the hands of people who knew the dogs and knew their use and very rarely did accidents with the public occur......the accidents we are seeing all too often these days are from dogs that although close up genetically on those same dogs are bred today with absolutely no purpose ....they are nothing really to do with the combat dogs there heritage suggests......therefore you have dogs being bred who have very capable dogs back 4/5/6 generations before them who have absolutely no use and no outlet for the 100 years of selective energy behind them......had they carried on being bred,tested and selected for the pit only we wouldnt be seeing these problems......i guess the saying could be " man destroyed what man created ".....but this breed has not been destroyed by the men that created them they have been destroyed by the general public who in this country in particular didnt even know what they were until 30 odd years ago !.....Far as im aware very few other breeds of dogs have had the same heavy cross to bear that the Apbt has had as a victim of its own success.

 

true the name ,history, appearance , make it make it tailor made to get in the wrong hands. its human nature and the dogs doing all the damage in the joe public , are miles away from proper breed , that was 1st bred . this prob will never go away now, unless another breed of dog takes it place , cant see it happing though .!!

[dare 1,103]

agree with what you've said gnash. I remember first Reid show i went too was no older than 14. Was blokes in their 40s a least in the car park letting their dogs face off. It's the same type of people who would probably laugh at the fact I keep a French bulldog lol some even on here did. Funny thing is the last dog probably worked in their dogs pedigree would be psycho or least the name will be thrown into the free ads advert to sell pups. Never owned a dog as an extension of my ego.

 

Last few years would you say things have got worse or better? I mean I don't bother much with the dogs no more as dont keep em. No reason for me to know anything so I don't wanna. I remember though those free websites where every mug was setting up websites and selling their red nose mutts. Not seen anything like that in years so guessing they got bored and moved onto the next thing? Before in my old area you'd always bump into some poorly bred cross breed type thing but now days if I visit there you'd be lucky to see one.

[bracken boy 584]

im hearing it was a pitbull type and it wasnt the only dog in the house another pit was in house also..

[stealthy1 3,964]

My dog wouldn't do that? Whoops, there's another kid mauled.

[gnasher16 30,103]

 

Yeah i could see what you was saying...just an odd thing to insert into a thread about the tragic death of a child...i dont go in for the whole sterotypeing people thing...a bit ignorant...never judge a book by its cover and all that...just like not tarring all dogs with the same brush...but eveyones entitled to their opinion

 

 

Im not stereotyping im just going on what ive seen with my own eyes.......and the relevance to this thread is the attitudes of owners that has led to the mish mash shitty breeding of dogs with no purpose the likes of which ive pointed out that more than likely led to the death of this child.....simple.

 

If you have tattoos a skinhead and a staff then my apologies im sure you are one of the good guys

[gnasher16 30,103]

agree with what you've said gnash. I remember first Reid show i went too was no older than 14. Was blokes in their 40s a least in the car park letting their dogs face off. It's the same type of people who would probably laugh at the fact I keep a French bulldog lol some even on here did. Funny thing is the last dog probably worked in their dogs pedigree would be psycho or least the name will be thrown into the free ads advert to sell pups. Never owned a dog as an extension of my ego.

 

Last few years would you say things have got worse or better? I mean I don't bother much with the dogs no more as dont keep em. No reason for me to know anything so I don't wanna. I remember though those free websites where every mug was setting up websites and selling their red nose mutts. Not seen anything like that in years so guessing they got bored and moved onto the next thing? Before in my old area you'd always bump into some poorly bred cross breed type thing but now days if I visit there you'd be lucky to see one.

I still have an interest in the dogs but not in this country,i think the gamedog addiction is something that never leaves you but to me the game over here has been finished for a long time id be embarrassed to be associated with 99% of owners over here so to me its got much worse in terms of dogs/breeders/owners everything.......today the % of family pureness within strains is at an all time low worldwide and i think a lot of the reason for that is most of the big yards in America with 50+ dogs are no more,so families of dogs are not being bred raised and schooled out in the same way they were years ago which obviously has a detrimental effect on overall quality of the breed in general.