Another Child Killed By A Dog

[jonno1968 5]

All dogs are dangerous but some are more dangerous than others. When have you ever heard of a lab or spaniel mauling someone to death. These dogs are historically bred to fight, as are many of the owners. Thats why they are damgerous and should be destroyed.

[gnasher16 30,144]

Yes the pit bull terriers are no doubting dangerous dogs being so fast and powerful for relatively small dogs. . That tendency to 'snap' would be more owed to the terrier ancestry than the bull, the British bull dog is far more placid than the jack russel for example.

 

My father was a friend to Maurice Dann of Plymouth, I often had the privilege of roaming around his court yards with his boys when I was 11/12, I became fascinated with the temperament of these infamous dogs. . I knew what they were bred and used for and expected to be met the rails with fearsome vibes, instead they were steady and affectionate dogs, one of them, a retired bitch from what I can remember, she even lived indoors with the family. The ownership or lack of to these dogs make a monumental difference. It not an absolute rule, there are exceptions, but I would stick with - generally bad come from bad owners.

 

I have absolute trust in my two long dogs. . Both are big, strong and regularly worked, my old hag of a mother-in-law is always saying "keep them away from my grandson" I don't take too kindly to people informing me of what to do with my dogs and child, so the other day, I was sat in the garden with my boy on knee, mother-in-law present, I called my dogs from around the back, they both came and greeted by sniffing and lapping at the boy. Mother-in-law "oh, they like him? Ah yes. But would leave them alone with him? Absolutely not - why would anyone do that.

To say bad comes from bad or good comes from good depends entirely what you are classing as a good/bad trait...good/bad owner......the greatest trait within an Apbt is gameness and the desire to never stop an aggressive encounter once started......yet in a family pet dog situation that is a risky,possibly disastrous trait to have !...................so is a person who sells the greatest trait the breed has into the worst possible type of home a good or bad owner/breeder ?

 

I probably sound like a broken record on this subject but i still maintain that the further you breed working/sporting dogs away from what they was designed for the more problems you will have with them........some of Mo Dann's dogs being perfect examples.....he used to have a lot of Mayfield dogs,a very genetically pure line of family dogs bred,tested and selected from the pit,although they didnt make great competition dogs in their own right they crossed brilliantly on any line and produced some great dogs due to their genetic strength,in other words the breeding was there.........these type of dogs usually ended up in the hands of people who knew the dogs and knew their use and very rarely did accidents with the public occur......the accidents we are seeing all too often these days are from dogs that although close up genetically on those same dogs are bred today with absolutely no purpose ....they are nothing really to do with the combat dogs there heritage suggests......therefore you have dogs being bred who have very capable dogs back 4/5/6 generations before them who have absolutely no use and no outlet for the 100 years of selective energy behind them......had they carried on being bred,tested and selected for the pit only we wouldnt be seeing these problems......i guess the saying could be " man destroyed what man created ".....but this breed has not been destroyed by the men that created them they have been destroyed by the general public who in this country in particular didnt even know what they were until 30 odd years ago !.....Far as im aware very few other breeds of dogs have had the same heavy cross to bear that the Apbt has had as a victim of its own success.

Edited October 5, 2014 by gnasher16

[The Seeker 3,048]

Im no fan of these breeds as I've said on numerous times BUT I'm not foolish enough to think others do love and care for these type of dog,

Bird for one seems to me to be a sensible owner who loves his dogs as much as I love my springer.

To me there should be some regulation either within the bull breed community or at an authority level to stop idiots from owning them but not to the detriment of the genuine owners.

 

I was interested to see what the situation in the USA is, I'm aware pit bulls are restricted in this country under the DDA but makes interesting reading. Pits with 6% of the population accounted for 78% of fatalities...

 

2013 statistics

 

32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths.

 

Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.

 

Together, pit bulls (25) and rottweilers (1), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 81% of the total recorded deaths in 2013.

 

This same combination accounted for 74% of all fatal attacks during the 9-year period of 2005 to 2013.

 

The breakdown between these two breeds is substantial over this 9-year period.

 

From 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans, about one citizen every 18.6 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 33, about one citizen every 99.5 days.

 

In the year of 2013, the combination of pit bulls (25), rottweilers (1) and bullmastiffs (2) accounted for 88% of all dog bite-related fatalities. Notably, the two bullmastiff-mixes3 were littermates that inflicted death within a 6-month period.

[YOKEL 2,245]

Almost all of these attacks seem to happen inside a house so I'm not sure if I've got it wrong here but , if you are going to keep types of dogs that are known to be manny ,keep them in runs were they are a danger to nobody. Remove the dog from the house and remove the problem. There is always an exception to the norm and dog attacks have happened away from the home but in the majority of cases the attacks happen in the home ! Known manny dogs of any breeding should not be kept in homes especially were vulnerable children also reside. What idiot keeps dogs like these running free in a house .

bang on the money, and the point i was making in my post. why keep a working dog as a pet? if they are kept for purpose and handled accordingly, there should never be any problems. But you will always have a potential for serious bother the moment you take a highly tuned working dog and dump it in a family enviroment...

Yokel

[EDDIE B 3,166]

I think anyone who leaves a dog in the same room as a baby, is a bad owner! Don't care what breed of dog it is!

 

I'd rather run the risk of insulting someone by asking, kindly leave the dog outside, than risk harm to a child!

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

Im no fan of these breeds as I've said on numerous times BUT I'm not foolish enough to think others do love and care for these type of dog,

Bird for one seems to me to be a sensible owner who loves his dogs as much as I love my springer.

To me there should be some regulation either within the bull breed community or at an authority level to stop idiots from owning them but not to the detriment of the genuine owners.

 

I was interested to see what the situation in the USA is, I'm aware pit bulls are restricted in this country under the DDA but makes interesting reading. Pits with 6% of the population accounted for 78% of fatalities...

 

2013 statistics

 

32 U.S. dog bite-related fatalities occurred in 2013. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 700 U.S. cities, pit bulls contributed to 78% (25) of these deaths.

 

Pit bulls make up about 6% of the total U.S. dog population.

 

Together, pit bulls (25) and rottweilers (1), the second most lethal dog breed, accounted for 81% of the total recorded deaths in 2013.

 

This same combination accounted for 74% of all fatal attacks during the 9-year period of 2005 to 2013.

 

The breakdown between these two breeds is substantial over this 9-year period.

 

From 2005 to 2013, pit bulls killed 176 Americans, about one citizen every 18.6 days, versus rottweilers, which killed 33, about one citizen every 99.5 days.

 

In the year of 2013, the combination of pit bulls (25), rottweilers (1) and bullmastiffs (2) accounted for 88% of all dog bite-related fatalities. Notably, the two bullmastiff-mixes3 were littermates that inflicted death within a 6-month period.

I dont usualy get involved with these sort of threads...but to put the above statistics into perspective maybe you should post the stats for those killed with guns in the U.S in that time frame...but keeping it to the U.K...post up the statistics for those seriously injured/killed in horse riding incidents... or post up the stats for those drowned in pools and ponds every year...no one 'needs' a pond or a pool...but its a risk that many think they can manage

[shepp 2,285]

If a woman or even a bloke is sharing a room with a APT or American Bulldog and it goes off, there is a pretty good chance the dog could kill the child anyway.

Those dogs attacking the owner in the street were not put off much by blokes hitting them with golf clubs etc.

What the hell is an histeric woman stuck in a room going to do?

[riohog 5,711]

alot to do with jelousy on the dogs part ..dont leave any dogs alone with children ,the risk is to great!!

[MickC 1,825]

The thing with Bull breeds is that they are no more manny than other dogs , it is the damage they can do should they decide to turn that makes them more dangerous. Other breeds of dog have been bred for centuries with the sole intention of being manny and bred solely for the purpose of guard/protection work, Bull bred dogs were not bred for this purpose they were/are sporting dogs. The Bull breeds have been removed from the environment they were intended for and now sit in houses as "status" symbols. A high prey drive dog of any breeding should not be sitting idle in a house just waiting for an opportunity to " kick off " . More people are bitten every year by Collies , Alsations , Rotties etc but when it's a Bull breed doing it the media sensationalises it and it makes the headlines more than the other breeds that are doing the majority of the attacks .

Edited October 5, 2014 by MickC

[shepp 2,285]

I once asked some bull breed owners what I should do if I was in a situation which an unfortunate dog owner was in. His collie was torn to shreds and had to be PTS.

 

Walking my dogs in a field when a very aggressive large bull breed attacks them.

What do I do?

Beat it with my fists or stick, no just makes it more angry and it may attack me.

Run away and let it destroy my dogs, nobody would want to live with that.

 

Nobody could give me a decent answer to how I could manage this situation, it just brought it home to me how much we are at the mercy of a dog hopefully being of good temperament.

Edited October 5, 2014 by shepp

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

The thing with Bull breeds is that they are no more manny than other dogs , it is the damage they can do should they decide to turn that makes them more dangerous. Other breeds of dog have been bred for centuries with the sole intention of being manny and bred solely for the purpose of guard/protection work, Bull bred dogs were not bred for this purpose they were/are sporting dogs. The Bull breeds have been removed from the environment they were intended for and now sit in houses as "status" symbols. A high prey drive dog of any breeding should not be sitting idle in a house just waiting for an opportunity to " kick off " . More people are bitten every year by Collies , Alsations , Rotties etc but when it's a Bull breed doing it the media sensationalises it and it makes the headlines more than the other breeds that are doing the majority of the attacks .

True...i doubt there has been one death in this country due to (what i would) call a pure bred american pit bull terrier...most are 'pitbull type' dogs that look a bit like pitbulls yet probably share none of the blood...often dogs with fighting heritage like Staffords bred into guarding mastiff breeds to produce big impressive dogs...both breeds steady on their own...but sometimes volatile when bred together

[Plummerterrier 291]

My bull dog never gets off the lead when out on walks which is usually around 2-3 hours a day broken over 3 walks. His running and real exercise is done In our 6ft fenced in garden. Had him 4 years and so far he's been attacked by a Labrador on two occasions , yorkie, and two collies and a whippet. Whenever I see other dogs coming I have to stand right into the side and let their off lead dogs pass which I don't find fair. Have a friend in the same situation who even has to muzzle his dog even though it's never off it 3ft lead just so if an off lead dog comes up to it it can't fight back. Owners are to blame not breeds And in answer to above if u don't feel confident in splitting up a dog fight between any dogs how do you manage to work dogs which are more in situations making them prone to fight.?

[bracken boy 584]

i managed to stop a staffie attsckong my lurcher a few years back ut came straight in with teeth all out but lucky for me i caught his coller and half chocked it to death, the owner said why you doing that for?? i said because your a idiot and your dog is offlead, thats what we are up against.

[gnasher16 30,144]

The thing with Bull breeds is that they are no more manny than other dogs , it is the damage they can do should they decide to turn that makes them more dangerous. Other breeds of dog have been bred for centuries with the sole intention of being manny and bred solely for the purpose of guard/protection work, Bull bred dogs were not bred for this purpose they were/are sporting dogs. The Bull breeds have been removed from the environment they were intended for and now sit in houses as "status" symbols. A high prey drive dog of any breeding should not be sitting idle in a house just waiting for an opportunity to " kick off " . More people are bitten every year by Collies , Alsations , Rotties etc but when it's a Bull breed doing it the media sensationalises it and it makes the headlines more than the other breeds that are doing the majority of the attacks .

 

I remember when i first came onto these sorts of internet forums years ago and the stick i used to get ( one of them might even of been this forum when it had a bull breed section ) for saying Apbt,s dont belong in pet homes......i remember pulling up some of these idiots who stand around at athletic dog shows with their Irish Staffs that are bred " with a bit of leg " for no other reason than to look like an Apbt....producing their silly pedigrees of other Irish Staffs getting all excited because a dog in their pups pedigree once beat a pit bull......like their little family pooch was of such value if it did what a pit bull did and looked like a pit bull looked !.......Even a dumbell like me could see where it was all going and looking back they were the first generation of the egotistical idiots we see today with the shredded remains of what took good dogmen generations of knowledge to produce...............despite the odd ones that do make good pet dogs fighting dogs never have or ever will be a good breed to choose as a family pet but i guess there will always be idiots.

[Plummerterrier 291]

Gnasher totally disagree. Alsatian and shepherds can't be pets as they are guard dogs ? Greyhounds or whippets because they are bred to run after small animals ?