Phantom Time....conspiracy Fun

[Malt 379]

 

 

These Phantom Time 'advocates'..... are they like the flat world brigade? Or is there actually some scientific evidence to give it credibility?

 

My opinion is that the absolute value we give to the present is completely arbitrary. It's the actual time line and sequence of events that is important.

That's my view too.

 

As for the advocates, they are generally using architecture and carbon dating that suggests that the period we think of as bring 600-900AD actually never happened. Records from those periods do not seem to exist and architecture from 600AD is identical to 900AD, and in 300 years there is no variance, but there are also no other buildings 'recognised' as bring from between 600-900AD. Weird hu?

Not all that weird at all mate, ain't 600-900ad roughly when the dark age took place? Its called the dark age because pretty much feck all happened once the romans left and all the knowledge they brought with them faded from memory. There is very, very little recorded history from that time because we forgot how to build, read and write. Took us a few hundred years to get going again..

[RemyBolt 420]

 

 

These Phantom Time 'advocates'..... are they like the flat world brigade? Or is there actually some scientific evidence to give it credibility?

 

My opinion is that the absolute value we give to the present is completely arbitrary. It's the actual time line and sequence of events that is important.

That's my view too.

 

As for the advocates, they are generally using architecture and carbon dating that suggests that the period we think of as bring 600-900AD actually never happened. Records from those periods do not seem to exist and architecture from 600AD is identical to 900AD, and in 300 years there is no variance, but there are also no other buildings 'recognised' as bring from between 600-900AD. Weird hu?

Not all that weird at all mate, ain't 600-900ad roughly when the dark age took place? Its called the dark age because pretty much feck all happened once the romans left and all the knowledge they brought with them faded from memory. There is very, very little recorded history from that time because we forgot how to build, read and write. Took us a few hundred years to get going again..

 

I find it difficult to believe that everyone in the UK forgot how to build, read, write, and other things like that. Like a collective amnesia. One of the theories is that the dark ages was 'invented' as an explanation for the time change. The way that history seems to smoothly run from 600ad directly to 900ad, but in 300 years nobody could reverse engineer anything. They couldn't see how previous (very basic) technology worked and reverse engineer it? That's really difficult to comprehend. If it was complex mathematics and the alike, I'd understand that removing the masters of the knowledge would be a massive issue. But the fact that these things existed still, but were not copied...difficult to understand.

 

Having said that, with the pyramids, their creation is very difficult to explain and currently we would not be able to recreate that kind of structure, so I do understand that certain things would be impossible to recreate years later. However, basic things, like reading and writing, that were supposedly taught and retaught....that vanishing, and nobody keeping any records from those days.....that's difficult to believe/get my head around.

[Born Hunter 17,788]

 

 

These Phantom Time 'advocates'..... are they like the flat world brigade? Or is there actually some scientific evidence to give it credibility?

 

My opinion is that the absolute value we give to the present is completely arbitrary. It's the actual time line and sequence of events that is important.

That's my view too.

 

As for the advocates, they are generally using architecture and carbon dating that suggests that the period we think of as bring 600-900AD actually never happened. Records from those periods do not seem to exist and architecture from 600AD is identical to 900AD, and in 300 years there is no variance, but there are also no other buildings 'recognised' as bring from between 600-900AD. Weird hu?

Not all that weird at all mate, ain't 600-900ad roughly when the dark age took place? Its called the dark age because pretty much feck all happened once the romans left and all the knowledge they brought with them faded from memory. There is very, very little recorded history from that time because we forgot how to build, read and write. Took us a few hundred years to get going again..

 

 

My thoughts too... in the absence of anything more substantial to suggest otherwise.

[RemyBolt 420]

The more I look into it, the less I'm believing it.

 

It'd be cool if it was true, but there are certain key figures and events that existed in this period, e.g. Charlemagne, Mohammed + the writing of the Qaran, and the battles between the Chinese Tang Dynasty and the Muslims. All of which are documented.

 

The European history of that age is....flakey in most areas, but what we do have is backed up by other calendars from around the world.

 

Shame really. It was a cool idea.

Edited October 3, 2014 by RemyBolt

[Born Hunter 17,788]

 

I find it difficult to believe that everyone in the UK forgot how to build, read, write, and other things like that. Like a collective amnesia. One of the theories is that the dark ages was 'invented' as an explanation for the time change. The way that history seems to smoothly run from 600ad directly to 900ad, but in 300 years nobody could reverse engineer anything. They couldn't see how previous (very basic) technology worked and reverse engineer it? That's really difficult to comprehend. If it was complex mathematics and the alike, I'd understand that removing the masters of the knowledge would be a massive issue. But the fact that these things existed still, but were not copied...difficult to understand.

 

Having said that, with the pyramids, their creation is very difficult to explain and currently we would not be able to recreate that kind of structure, so I do understand that certain things would be impossible to recreate years later. However, basic things, like reading and writing, that were supposedly taught and retaught....that vanishing, and nobody keeping any records from those days.....that's difficult to believe/get my head around.

 

 

How integrated in to Roman society were the native Britons? If they were not fully integrated and kept pretty much a separate, albeit harmonious, society then I see no reason for a very tribal people to take on Roman technology when they would have no need. Why reverse engineer plumbing systems when you shit and piss in the woods so to speak. It wasn't until the Germanic invasions that our ancestors left their iron age ways behind and began to develop more complex societies again, societies that leave a more significant mark in history.

[Malt 379]

 

 

 

I find it difficult to believe that everyone in the UK forgot how to build, read, write, and other things like that. Like a collective amnesia. One of the theories is that the dark ages was 'invented' as an explanation for the time change. The way that history seems to smoothly run from 600ad directly to 900ad, but in 300 years nobody could reverse engineer anything. They couldn't see how previous (very basic) technology worked and reverse engineer it? That's really difficult to comprehend. If it was complex mathematics and the alike, I'd understand that removing the masters of the knowledge would be a massive issue. But the fact that these things existed still, but were not copied...difficult to understand.

 

Having said that, with the pyramids, their creation is very difficult to explain and currently we would not be able to recreate that kind of structure, so I do understand that certain things would be impossible to recreate years later. However, basic things, like reading and writing, that were supposedly taught and retaught....that vanishing, and nobody keeping any records from those days.....that's difficult to believe/get my head around.

 

How integrated in to Roman society were the native Britons? If they were not fully integrated and kept pretty much a separate, albeit harmonious, society then I see no reason for a very tribal people to take on Roman technology when they would have no need. Why reverse engineer plumbing systems when you shit and piss in the woods so to speak. It wasn't until the Germanic invasions that our ancestors left their iron age ways behind and began to develop more complex societies again, societies that leave a more significant mark in history.

Spot on..

 

Remy: It didnt happen overnight. Off the top of my head, the romans were gone by about 100AD. People don't comprehend just how advanced roman society and culture were when compared to the people they ruled over. You could use Zimbabwe as am example. When they gained independence from the British empire, the country was known as the bread basket of Africa and was a massive exporter of food. Within a few decades it had all gone tits up..

[Born Hunter 17,788]

I was about to say the same Malt. It wouldn't be unique in human history, where a vastly technologically superior society has left the lands (and their control) of a more primitive one to see it fall back to it's technologically primitive origins.

 

I mean, look at the US when us Brits were ousted.....

[RemyBolt 420]

I'm fascinated by this new direction we're heading in. The idea that a society, seemingly advanced, can rapidly crash, technologically.

 

What do you think are the chances of a technological breakdown like that in the UK?

[Born Hunter 17,788]

I'm fascinated by this new direction we're heading in. The idea that a society, seemingly advanced, can rapidly crash, technologically.

 

What do you think are the chances of a technological breakdown like that in the UK?

 

Not the same situation. Our society is roughly as one, in these historic examples there was two societies living together, the technologically advanced one being the 'invader'. I think if in these examples there had been full social integration then the remnants of the original society would have retained the foreign skills and knowledge, partly through necessity having lost part of their own more primitive one.

[RemyBolt 420]

 

I'm fascinated by this new direction we're heading in. The idea that a society, seemingly advanced, can rapidly crash, technologically.

 

What do you think are the chances of a technological breakdown like that in the UK?

 

Not the same situation. Our society is roughly as one, in these historic examples there was two societies living together, the technologically advanced one being the 'invader'. I think if in these examples there had been full social integration then the remnants of the original society would have retained the foreign skills and knowledge, partly through necessity having lost part of their own more primitive one.

 

But there are whole societies that have collapsed. Cultures and empires like the Greeks, Romans, Mayans, Babylonians, Egyptians, Inca, all went from the pinnacle of societal structure and knowledge to...little or nothing. Every superpower has crashed, some into oblivion, others have just been put into smaller powers. With this in mind, do you think such a thing could happen again?

[Born Hunter 17,788]

Ermmm, I'd have to say yes. The dynamic of World power is constantly changing.

 

Before I was purely speculating on a collapse caused through a similar mechanism to the dark ages etc where the technology was almost solely controlled by a more advanced society which fled for one reason or another.

[RemyBolt 420]

Ermmm, I'd have to say yes. The dynamic of World power is constantly changing.

 

Before I was purely speculating on a collapse caused through a similar mechanism to the dark ages etc where the technology was almost solely controlled by a more advanced society which fled for one reason or another.

Or just a massive EMP Hollywood style.

[Born Hunter 17,788]

 

Ermmm, I'd have to say yes. The dynamic of World power is constantly changing.

 

Before I was purely speculating on a collapse caused through a similar mechanism to the dark ages etc where the technology was almost solely controlled by a more advanced society which fled for one reason or another.

Or just a massive EMP Hollywood style.

 

 

But the knowledge would remain....... The infrastructure may take time to recover but the knowledge would remain.

[Malt 379]

 

 

 

 

I'm fascinated by this new direction we're heading in. The idea that a society, seemingly advanced, can rapidly crash, technologically.

 

What do you think are the chances of a technological breakdown like that in the UK?

Not the same situation. Our society is roughly as one, in these historic examples there was two societies living together, the technologically advanced one being the 'invader'. I think if in these examples there had been full social integration then the remnants of the original society would have retained the foreign skills and knowledge, partly through necessity having lost part of their own more primitive one.

But there are whole societies that have collapsed. Cultures and empires like the Greeks, Romans, Mayans, Babylonians, Egyptians, Inca, all went from the pinnacle of societal structure and knowledge to...little or nothing. Every superpower has crashed, some into oblivion, others have just been put into smaller powers. With this in mind, do you think such a thing could happen again?

Most take 100's of years to fade out. If you take the roman empire for example, it didnt just abruptly end it carried on for a very long time in one form or another. It eventually split and the eastern side of it carried on until the 1400's as the Byzantine empire, which was itself taken over by the ottomans who ruled up until the first world war.

[Truther 1,579]

 

 

 

These Phantom Time 'advocates'..... are they like the flat world brigade? Or is there actually some scientific evidence to give it credibility?

 

My opinion is that the absolute value we give to the present is completely arbitrary. It's the actual time line and sequence of events that is important.

That's my view too.

 

As for the advocates, they are generally using architecture and carbon dating that suggests that the period we think of as bring 600-900AD actually never happened. Records from those periods do not seem to exist and architecture from 600AD is identical to 900AD, and in 300 years there is no variance, but there are also no other buildings 'recognised' as bring from between 600-900AD. Weird hu?

Not all that weird at all mate, ain't 600-900ad roughly when the dark age took place? Its called the dark age because pretty much feck all happened once the romans left and all the knowledge they brought with them faded from memory. There is very, very little recorded history from that time because we forgot how to build, read and write. Took us a few hundred years to get going again..

 

I find it difficult to believe that everyone in the UK forgot how to build, read, write, and other things like that. Like a collective amnesia. One of the theories is that the dark ages was 'invented' as an explanation for the time change. The way that history seems to smoothly run from 600ad directly to 900ad, but in 300 years nobody could reverse engineer anything. They couldn't see how previous (very basic) technology worked and reverse engineer it? That's really difficult to comprehend. If it was complex mathematics and the alike, I'd understand that removing the masters of the knowledge would be a massive issue. But the fact that these things existed still, but were not copied...difficult to understand.

 

Having said that, with the pyramids, their creation is very difficult to explain and currently we would not be able to recreate that kind of structure, so I do understand that certain things would be impossible to recreate years later. However, basic things, like reading and writing, that were supposedly taught and retaught....that vanishing, and nobody keeping any records from those days.....that's difficult to believe/get my head around.

 

 

When you say "their creation is very difficult to explain and currently we would not be able to recreate that kind of structure" do you mean the physical building, or the really mind blowing stuff behind it? On count one i disagree, we are capable of the physical, on count 2 we cant match them, unless you go down the official explanation route of "coincidence" lol.