Famous Indians

[MickC 1,825]

 

I read a book a few years ago about some Professors working in America and they found flints,arrowheads and other artifacts that they had carbon dated,anyway the results stated that America had been populated by humans 1000s and 1000s of years earlier than previously accepted. Anyway they took the results to the establishment who told them to ignore the results and go with the "established" history of America or there would be consequences. Too cut a long story short they ignored the establishment and all lost there jobs,lost there funding and were no longer allowed to teach in any Educational establishments, Schools colleges etc. The site where they found the artifacts was turned into a military training ground and used for tanks and heavy artillery . One of these Professors even has a College named after him, then they got in touch with other like minded scientists scholars and others from similar fields of work who had been " struck off " and put there findings into a book. I'm not 100% as I lent the book out (offshore) and never got it back but the book might have been Forbidden Archaeology by Michael Cremo.

 

You can't carbon date any rock/stone mate, including flint, unless one cultures artifacts are buried under another cultures artifacts there's no way of telling who was there first relying on stone tools, fact. There's some work going on to try and date rock/stone, roughly measuring radiation it absorbs when exposed to light, but that's pretty new, and if tools are buried for periods of time pretty useless i should think? It might be useful on stone building if they can crack it though? Not that they will allow the info to leak out, it would re write history/religion and maybe a lot more?

The book is certainly a good read,might even buy it again to refresh my memory,but like you say it all depends what info the "establishment" will allow to leak out as they will not want anything to interfere with the current beliefs of our "accepted" history / religion and origin of man etc .

[Truther 1,579]

Yeah I suppose they're all lizards too?

 

I don't care who's 'better' between arabs and Europeans btw,my interest in them is that their well preserved beliefs are also my ancestors beliefs.

 

Whereas most of the records of our ancestors who stayed in Europes knowledge/traditions/superstitions where lost in the dark ages of xtianity.

 

No mate, im not a big Ike fan at all lol. It makes as much sense as trying to reverse the history of the ruling classes though, specially with no scientific evidence at all? If you're going down the red hair/fair skinned route (such as the Tajiks) save it, genetic mutation that has no European gene significance in this argument at all. Keep studying romantic bullshit and ignore the relevant, undeniable evidence of what's really going down, real smart

 

Tandoors, circumstancial, and open to interpretation, corruption. Coastal finds by dredging? impossible to date, exept to say "ice age" but again which one?

 

Mick, total control over the institutions, they always did have, repression by religion even older, but bit by bit with the net its getting harder for them

[dytkos 17,799]

Nice lol, why not just debate insteaf of ad hominem attacks? I can take a ribbing pal, my views are far from extreme i just enjoy researching history and don't believe for one minute what the bbc / school history books say is 100% the whole truth, it will be out there but we will likely never be told it. There is always an agenda behind what we are told. Thanks for naming the jews role in histlrical genocide i never actually directly named them but it is undeniable they were highly influential in the indian genocide along with the holodomer, the slave trade etc. With regards to the bnp i'm not affiliated to any political organisation or anything like that i've got my own views, i only rose to the bait of people constantly blaming white people for everything that has ever gone wrong in the world when realistically the opposite is true. Oh and nice of you to notice my avatar of a young oswald mosely, i only put it up ironically didn't think anyone would notice lol.

I thought it was Enoch Powell

 

Cheers, D.

[tandors 888]

http://www.arrowheadology.com/forums/arrowheads-news/38329-when-did-humans-come-americas.html

 

find these sort of debates interesting to be honest, i randomly found a similar more in depth discussion on a forum whilst googling about that some may find interesting.

[Tiercel 6,986]

http://www.arrowheadology.com/forums/arrowheads-news/38329-when-did-humans-come-americas.html

 

find these sort of debates interesting to be honest, i randomly found a similar more in depth discussion on a forum whilst googling about that some may find interesting.

Brilliant 2 hrs later and I am still following links and reading.

 

TC

[Truther 1,579]

http://www.arrowheadology.com/forums/arrowheads-news/38329-when-did-humans-come-americas.html

 

find these sort of debates interesting to be honest, i randomly found a similar more in depth discussion on a forum whilst googling about that some may find interesting.

 

Interesting stuff, no doubt about it, but i don't trust the Smithsonian, its right up there with the Nobel prize institute in the propaganda stakes

 

If you haven't read about them, have a look at the mound builders. Lots of things can be faked granted, but the newspaper reports from the 1800's look legit, and a total ban on digging any of these sites again says something imo?

[WILF 46,834]

I just found it funny that's all, does anyone remember the sketch show with the indian bloke and anything his son told him he would say "yes, thought up by Indians.......all indian" lol lol

 

The yanks wiped out the Indians, they are greedy environment destroying parasites as are most modern "civilised" people........their way is to rape and destroy the very earth and everything living in it.

So let's cut the crap

Edited October 2, 2014 by WILF

[tandors 888]

The mound builders being the 9 foot tall people? If so yes i have read it i find it interesting and believe there is a lot to prehistory we either don't know or aren't being told to suit a particular agenda. What about the cloud people in south america, and the tocharians in china? They are possible examples of european cultures in areas of the globe that according to history shouldn't be there for whatever reason, maybe because it doesn't fit the world view sold to us in the history books, but you can bet no historian would get funding on the back of one of these theories. With regard to the indians, same as europeans, africans amd chinese, all humans seem to be imperialistic to some degree or other, expanding borders for natural resources, power etc, it's just some are better at it than others, it's the whole white guilt trip that i don't get like the slave trade the ottomans had both white and negro slaves, treat their negros like animals, castrating and killing them as they saw them as useless, yet they never get guily tripped, it was the whites who freed the slaves for ethical and moral reasons. The chinese now own vast resources and land in africa and obviously don't care about the blacks they have to work in the mines for 2 years before they even get hard hats lol, the best thing that ever happened to the african was the white man in my opinion, please don't take my views as racism i'm really not.

[Truther 1,579]

That's them mate, 9 ft people, could be bollocks but how do you fake newspaper reports from the 1800's? The other thing i find interesting is the out sized arrow/spear heads, and implements, accepted as real and not modern fakes, but the official line is they are ceremonial, made as offerings to be buried? and buried in random locations with no other activity known? In the same vein its accepted that other tribes made and buried normal sized tools/weapons as part of their survival strategy, burying useful tools to dig up and use at a later date, seems to me the only difference is the size of the tools, the behaviour is exactly the same? No funding and bans on any digging of their sites says it all really.

 

I agree on the white slaver guilt trip, nobody seems to get the same bad press about it, despite virtually every race/tribe down history enslaving other peoples. They never teach how the African tribal leaders/kings sold their own people into slavery, the race almost single handedly behind the white slave trade were the fake jews, but we cant mention that, and i think while all this slavery was going on my family were being treat little better than slaves, hands up anyone who's family owned slaves or made anything out of slaves? Guilt pushed on us as a whole when in reality its f**k all to do with ordinary people, simple.

[WILF 46,834]

The mound builders being the 9 foot tall people? If so yes i have read it i find it interesting and believe there is a lot to prehistory we either don't know or aren't being told to suit a particular agenda. What about the cloud people in south america, and the tocharians in china? They are possible examples of european cultures in areas of the globe that according to history shouldn't be there for whatever reason, maybe because it doesn't fit the world view sold to us in the history books, but you can bet no historian would get funding on the back of one of these theories. With regard to the indians, same as europeans, africans amd chinese, all humans seem to be imperialistic to some degree or other, expanding borders for natural resources, power etc, it's just some are better at it than others, it's the whole white guilt trip that i don't get like the slave trade the ottomans had both white and negro slaves, treat their negros like animals, castrating and killing them as they saw them as useless, yet they never get guily tripped, it was the whites who freed the slaves for ethical and moral reasons. The chinese now own vast resources and land in africa and obviously don't care about the blacks they have to work in the mines for 2 years before they even get hard hats lol, the best thing that ever happened to the african was the white man in my opinion, please don't take my views as racism i'm really not.

I happen to agree with you about Africa, I don't think it's racist to say that they are 1000 years behind western society.

 

It's a plainly obvious fact, they are still living on a tribal basis much as we did in ancient history.

They are totally unable to make a country function to modern standards which has been proved time and again.

 

However, you have to say that if left alone they would just carry on in this way but because of the vast wealth of Africa obviously the west will look for a way to exploit it, so you have to ask, if we were not there would it matter ?

[tandors 888]

What i'm saying with regard to africa is that white influence is dwindling on the continent and they are brought up in an environment where they hate and blame everything on the white man nobody else and definately not themselves. Without support from foreign aid which comes exclusively from the west (white tax payers money, africa would collape they have unsustainable popultation growth. White people abolished slavery and are supporting them now, look who is helping out with ebola for exanple, do they really think the chinese will look after them when they gain serious control of the continent, which they wil. The chinese see blacks as useless subhumans and will simply import their own workers as they already are doing. Whitr guilt must be the strangest view point spread by liberals and they have many strange views.

[MickC 1,825]

I watched a programme on Discovery about these 9 foot people. Basically some farmers had emptied some caves of tons and tons of Bat crap to use as fertiliser on the fields and while doing this had uncovered a lot of red haired giant Skeletons. As is usual the skeletons have been kept under lock and key by the " establishment" ever since as it doesn't fit in with the mainstream/established history/origins.The Burial mounds discovered in the American mid West including the ones at Bat Creek are said to be of ancient British origin and design and also the stone tablet found at Bat Creek in 1889 has an inscription on it written in Coelbren an ancient British alphabet, primarily of Welsh origin but similar in appearance to Celtic recorded and studied by historians for years. This evidence if not for it being ignored adds weight to the story of the Welsh Prince Madoc who is said to have sailed to Amerca circa 562 ad, but to acknowledge this would destroy all of current mainstream Dark age history. Would love to know exactly what the "establishment" do know , that they are with holding from us .

[neems 2,406]

When you cross a tiger and a lion you get a giant,unhealthy hybrid.

 

Could it not be that different species of human have mated to create these people,and nature has eventually rectified the problem?

 

The same happened in Europe in the cro-magnon era,when either Africans migrated into Europe during the worst part of the ice age...

or Neanderthals migrated into Africa.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Neems, a tiger and lion are completely different species, they produce infertile offspring. That's a poor comparison to human races. You'd be better off comparing domestic dog hybrids as a similar thought experiment....

Edited October 3, 2014 by Born Hunter

[neems 2,406]

Neems, a tiger and lion are completely different species, they produce infertile offspring. That's a poor comparison to human races. You'd be better off comparing domestic dog hybrids as a similar thought experiment....

Human species not races,Neanderthal and archaic sub Saharan Africans are not the same species,and not all Hybrids are infertile,they usually aren't very fertile but have a high sex drive to compensate,which may have been the thing that stopped females being killed/shunned by the men in the tribes,and allowed a our genes to mix slightly (one way or the other).