Road and railway embankments

[bill88 6]

technically you dont need any passes as long as you stay on the area of land before the cable run(3ft high running length of track) as this is classed as a physical barrier, you probably would however need a SPC (site person in charge) (me) but would prob need insurance too, depends who the track is owned by, tubelines, metronet,network rail etc, if its metronet, they aint got a pot to pi$$ in at mo, although all of these have to have a pest control firm on their books by law, so you may go to all the trouble of reporting it, for a firm to come in and do it instead

the firm i work for already do, metronet bcv & ssl, plus tubelines, so that only leaves network rail...

have already done rabbit control for them, they prefer live catch traps to ferreting

Thanks for the info mate,i'm pretty sure the only reason the the line isnt covered in earth is because the local kids shoot and ferret the banks of the cutting as i did as a kid.They may have had pest control fims in,but theres always been a serious rabbit problem here.When you say no passe's required on the land before the cable run,what does that mean (sorry to sound like a numpty) i thought everything within the fenced area was the railways,and if you were there side of the fence you'd be tresspassing?

Edited October 23, 2007 by bill88

[Guest jbswildlife]

hi there i work on the railway at the moment and it would definatly be impossible to get permission on the railway line!i see rabbits everyday hundreds of them !my advice to you is to do it but dont get caught!!!!HAPPY HUNTING!!!

 

 

railway embankments are a nightmare due to the law on this if you want to carry out a program on the site in question then you have to complete several coarses first gets you on the site second you need a look out third you require a a ticket to operate costs several thousant pounds per line advice leave it alone until shit hits the fan and law changes

 

joe

[stubby 175]

hi there i work on the railway at the moment and it would definatly be impossible to get permission on the railway line!i see rabbits everyday hundreds of them !my advice to you is to do it but dont get caught!!!!HAPPY HUNTING!!!

 

 

railway embankments are a nightmare due to the law on this if you want to carry out a program on the site in question then you have to complete several coarses first gets you on the site second you need a look out third you require a a ticket to operate costs several thousant pounds per line advice leave it alone until shit hits the fan and law changes

 

joe

 

am sorry, but your wrong, if you were working on the rails, or anywhere inside the cable run, then yes you would need an entry permit as a mimimum, followed by track awareness, you'd then need either traffic hours or engineering hours protection master plus loads of other bits which i wont bore everyone with

 

BUT

 

if we are on land behind that big fence, but not across the cable run, then technically we dont need diddly squat

now ok your not gonna get that far without certain tickets(passes) but what Im saying is, if I gained permission to ferret the embankment, I could take ANYONE that I deemed compintant with me, as long as they stayed this side of the cable run, as that acts as a physical barrier, that big high fence is only there to try and keep kids out,

for those not knowing

the cable run, look at any length of track, either side of the rails will be a series of large electrical cables taking the same path as the railway line, about 2' to 3 foot from the ground, as long as you dont climb over THIS physical barrier, then you dont technically need any passes what so ever

 

I would suggest if you have permission on land that backs onto a railway fence, get the farmer to write a letter of complaint, firstly to the nearest station on that line, asking for it to be referred to the fault report centre, at the same time, also sending same letter to the customer care section of whoever control the line (metronet/tubeline/networkrail etc) also inc a letter from yourself stating that you already ferret mr farmer(name) land and that you would be quite willing to ferret FREE OF CHARGE on the opposite side of fence, but not crossing THE CABLE RUN

you may get lucky

failing that, get chatting with the (nearest station) station supervisor, if the station is manned 24hrs they have a daytime and nightime shift, the fences normally have gates every few hundred yards for access (saves walking on rough/overgrown terrian) if you can get pal'ey with a supervisor, he may tell you the cobination of the padlocks on such gates and best times to be there

[Guest Bigbob]

Easy just leave the dog at home a line of snares and even a couple of catch alive traps

[essexrob 0]

hi there i work on the railway at the moment and it would definatly be impossible to get permission on the railway line!i see rabbits everyday hundreds of them !my advice to you is to do it but dont get caught!!!!HAPPY HUNTING!!!

 

 

railway embankments are a nightmare due to the law on this if you want to carry out a program on the site in question then you have to complete several coarses first gets you on the site second you need a look out third you require a a ticket to operate costs several thousant pounds per line advice leave it alone until shit hits the fan and law changes

 

joe

 

am sorry, but your wrong, if you were working on the rails, or anywhere inside the cable run, then yes you would need an entry permit as a mimimum, followed by track awareness, you'd then need either traffic hours or engineering hours protection master plus loads of other bits which i wont bore everyone with

 

BUT

 

if we are on land behind that big fence, but not across the cable run, then technically we dont need diddly squat

now ok your not gonna get that far without certain tickets(passes) but what Im saying is, if I gained permission to ferret the embankment, I could take ANYONE that I deemed compintant with me, as long as they stayed this side of the cable run, as that acts as a physical barrier, that big high fence is only there to try and keep kids out,

for those not knowing

the cable run, look at any length of track, either side of the rails will be a series of large electrical cables taking the same path as the railway line, about 2' to 3 foot from the ground, as long as you dont climb over THIS physical barrier, then you dont technically need any passes what so ever

 

I would suggest if you have permission on land that backs onto a railway fence, get the farmer to write a letter of complaint, firstly to the nearest station on that line, asking for it to be referred to the fault report centre, at the same time, also sending same letter to the customer care section of whoever control the line (metronet/tubeline/networkrail etc) also inc a letter from yourself stating that you already ferret mr farmer(name) land and that you would be quite willing to ferret FREE OF CHARGE on the opposite side of fence, but not crossing THE CABLE RUN

you may get lucky

failing that, get chatting with the (nearest station) station supervisor, if the station is manned 24hrs they have a daytime and nightime shift, the fences normally have gates every few hundred yards for access (saves walking on rough/overgrown terrian) if you can get pal'ey with a supervisor, he may tell you the cobination of the padlocks on such gates and best times to be there

 

 

no mate i think your getting a bit puzzled

[essexrob 0]

its within 3 metres of the line not cable runs i have worked ALL OVER THE COUNTRY and never seen these cable runs your talk of!

[Guest Ditch_Shitter]

Not wishing to become embroiled in the OK Coral here lads, but; Rob? Ye've worked " ALL OVER THE COUNTRY " and never seen what Stubby's on about?! You been working at KFC, mate?

 

I've not travelled on a british train for years now - f*ck That for a game of Russian Roullette! - and I haven't even been in that hole for a couple of years anyway. But I do rather distinctly remember the line between Cosham and the rest of Portsmouth. I used to wander down it quite regularly when I was a nipper. Quite often, in fact, I'd hop up and walk along this prefabricated concerete slab 'viaduct' thing that followed the tracks everywhere they went.

 

I never really gave them that much thought. They were just there. I believe I've possibly also encountered them as a continuous, just above ground level, concrete tunnel? Don't quote me on that, but I believe so. I've walked along those too, most probably then.

 

My thanks to Stubby for finally educating me as to what they're properly called then; " Cable Runs ".

[spade 224]

Got to agree with Essexrob on this. To get anywhere network rail property (lineside) you would have to spend the earth to get all your passes/tickets etc. Ther cable troughing means nothing. You need to know line speeds, have look out people, have to set up red/green zone working. You might in some instances have to have the juice turned off. Its an absolute minefield. Last thing you would want is a train driver (rightly) reporting for trespass and have the plod turn up.

[cheshire lad 0]

Just wondered if anyone knows the legalities concerning pest control by the owner of land.I'm pretty sure the landowner has a legal obligation to control numbers on his land (rabbits) I shoot,ferret and run the dogs on some farm land near me.It is bordered one side by a dual carraigeway which sits on a 15ft high embankment,and on the other by a railway cutting.Now i am aware that the railway cutting is private land,but surely the owners (railtrack?) have a legal obligation to control the rabbit numbers? as the sides of the cutting are crumbling due to the rabbits burrowing,and the damage they are doing to crops on the land i have permission on?.Would it be worth contacting railtrack and asking for permission to ferret and net?

On the issue of the road embankment,the farmer has asked me to sort the rabbits out on the embankment,but the fence is at the base of the embankment and not at the top.Therefore i'm guessing the embankment is not actually the farmers property,but everytime i speak to him he asks me if i am sorting the embankment for him.I don't want to lose the permission,but i also want to stay the right side of the law.

i work as a contractor for Net Work Rail and have asked the question before (got no reply ) the company i work for gets a licence to gas the warrens then they pump grout down,its like runny cement. Ive been thre first hand and told net work rail your wasting your time,but as allways they say its a humane way of controling them and stabalising the embankment.You end up with rabbits running out covered with grout because the the gas carn't get deep enough

[essexrob 0]

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Got to agree with Essexrob on this. To get anywhere network rail property (lineside) you would have to spend the earth to get all your passes/tickets etc. Ther cable troughing means nothing. You need to know line speeds, have look out people, have to set up red/green zone working. You might in some instances have to have the juice turned off. Its an absolute minefield. Last thing you would want is a train driver (rightly) reporting for trespass and have the plod turn up.

 

[essexrob 0]

Not wishing to become embroiled in the OK Coral here lads, but; Rob? Ye've worked " ALL OVER THE COUNTRY " and never seen what Stubby's on about?! You been working at KFC, mate?

 

I've not travelled on a british train for years now - f*ck That for a game of Russian Roullette! - and I haven't even been in that hole for a couple of years anyway. But I do rather distinctly remember the line between Cosham and the rest of Portsmouth. I used to wander down it quite regularly when I was a nipper. Quite often, in fact, I'd hop up and walk along this prefabricated concerete slab 'viaduct' thing that followed the tracks everywhere they went.

 

I never really gave them that much thought. They were just there. I believe I've possibly also encountered them as a continuous, just above ground level, concrete tunnel? Don't quote me on that, but I believe so. I've walked along those too, most probably then.

 

My thanks to Stubby for finally educating me as to what they're properly called then; " Cable Runs ".

 

 

fair enough mate! but that is a trough route and has no relevance!but who cares it dont matter in long or sort of things does it!

[cheshire lad 0]

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Got to agree with Essexrob on this. To get anywhere network rail property (lineside) you would have to spend the earth to get all your passes/tickets etc. Ther cable troughing means nothing. You need to know line speeds, have look out people, have to set up red/green zone working. You might in some instances have to have the juice turned off. Its an absolute minefield. Last thing you would want is a train driver (rightly) reporting for trespass and have the plod turn up.

 

correct

[bill88 6]

Have made a few enquiries,and will see what happens (i wont hold my breath). Heres some pics of the road embankment,and the railway cutting,not great but it was getting dark.

 

The road embankment,as you can see,its got plenty of bunnys.

 

 

The railway cutting,pictures aren't great,but i didn't fancy tresspassing to get better ones.

The fence

[andy mecca 5]

get yourself a orange hi-vis vest and get on the embankment when a train comes give him a wave so he knows you've seen him that looks a big job that i would longnet during darkness imo

[pockets 0]

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