FLAT TOES on pup

[Chisel 0]

eyup folks.....heres my dilema....i bought a 38/58ths pup for the lad n me, to get back in the game after a long layoff....

i took the lad to view this pup at 6.5weeks old....he was full of character and i allowed my judgement to become blurred by my lads enthusiasm for the pu and my enthusiasm for my lad...

 

hes out of some solid stock....mam n dad featured on here....`golly x honey`,

i noticed at the time of viewing that one foot was a little flat.....but i`ve kept bull x`s for a long time in the past and know there feet arnt sumtimes the best...

 

as hes growing the foot in question is getting flatter and the two middle toes are not looking good for the future....the vet aint concerned , but then again he doesnt appreciate folk running them as well as having them as a companion....so he wouldnt be worried would he...

 

i`m concerned as he reckons nowt needs to be done as its not causing the pup any grief...

but i am concerned....when hes older and hevier/stronger/faster....ibecause its the two middle toes...stands to reason the two outer ones will be taking the strain...and could end up with more injury, suffering for the dog, disheartment for my lad and me....and wallet damage

 

my last dog had a toe filleted on each front foot, and this caused no problems whatsoever and was still fast enough to catch most of what he ran...

 

but in this case its the two middle toes together, and its really bugging me.....the toes are just flat...theyre connected up but will bend right back !!!

 

heres some pics....hes 11 week old nah

 

 

his good foot

his bad foot

his toes

 

notice the differance in nail length on his bad foot....his other two are doing the bulk of the work....

 

i`d really appreciate all advice as ive never had a pup with a foot like this...nor have friends...

thanks regardless

chiseller

Edited October 21, 2007 by Chisel

[MikeTheDog 153]

As you say and well know Chisel, Bull feet aint too good at the best of times, they are not bred for running! Imo the 'good' foot is poor! If you want a dog for fox control then he/she should be able to catch one and do the business, where legal of course..Not the right dog for rabbit or hare..jmo.. ...

[Chisel 0]

As you say and well know Chisel, Bull feet aint too good at the best of times, they are not bred for running! Imo the 'good' foot is poor! If you want a dog for fox control then he/she should be able to catch one and do the business, where legal of course..Not the right dog for rabbit or hare..jmo.. ...

 

thats trouble lies......our last 3/8 5/8 was admitadly racier, but he was upto job of catchin and pullin all the quarry he was offerd....bar one .....this was 4 yr since mind.... when the law gets reversed....and it will i`m sure .....we would expect a pot filler as well as a trophy bagger i`m not after a world beater or the perfect hound.....just one who is quick enuff to make his mark and not to discourage my lad.....feed a good un for the same price as a bad un an all that .

 

thanks for the reply, cant belive all the views its had and folk dont have an opinion ?????

[skycat 6,173]

It looks as though the tendons have been damaged when he was very young: unusual I must admit: OR is there an actual 'design fault' there, such as malformed joints? Hard to say from a photo, but you certainly shouldn't be able to do that with the toes: not without causing a lot of pain! I'd get it checked out with a good greyhound vet.

[Chisel 0]

It looks as though the tendons have been damaged when he was very young: unusual I must admit: OR is there an actual 'design fault' there, such as malformed joints? Hard to say from a photo, but you certainly shouldn't be able to do that with the toes: not without causing a lot of pain! I'd get it checked out with a good greyhound vet.

 

the lad who bred him said that the bitch had a ceaserian, and wondered if it was the vets doin or when the sac was bust....i`m waiting for a mate to get back to me about seein the bone man....

[Chisel 0]

nobody else got an opinion?.....good or bad.....?????

[Guest chook]

nobody else got an opinion?.....good or bad.....?????

 

don't know if this would help. although it about a gsd, it has somewhat simler problems,

 

http://www.dolforums.com.au/?act=ST&f=6&t=11229

 

 

But in my opinion if the problem isnt sorted now while the pup is young,

its going to have problems later in life, it could end up putting stress on the other toes,

and joints.

[D.C. 34]

IF......i saw similar pics. say of a persons hands......I'd say they were double jointed........Now i'm not sure if this is poss. in dogs....don't see why it shouldn't though.......If you can do that with the dogs toes and it doesn't hurt it......it may be a possibility.......

 

If it is......then thats when you have problems......imho......as its always going to be bearing weight....& if the joint CAN'T stop the toes bending beyond where they should...it may cause probs.

 

Hope you get some answers........& let us know what the outcome is chisel!!

Edited October 22, 2007 by D.C.

[Chisel 0]

nobody else got an opinion?.....good or bad.....?????

 

don't know if this would help. although it about a gsd, it has somewhat simler problems,

 

http://www.dolforums.com.au/?act=ST&f=6&t=11229

 

 

But in my opinion if the problem isnt sorted now while the pup is young,

its going to have problems later in life, it could end up putting stress on the other toes,

and joints.

 

 

thanks chook...i`ve had a look, doesnt help me much , but i will look into that ester c . hes been on dried puppy food and raw minced chicken meat and bones since we brought him home....hes growing well and has great structure for a pup....its just them damn 2 toes....

[kreet 0]

its found regularly in american bulldogs and is a result of bad breeding and is passed on to pups if a dog out the same litter has perfect toe's it could still throw this its in the genetic make up i think they sometimes point in the way instead of out sometimes both feet can have it but thats alot less comon . so it could be because of his make up itl be the bull side that has caused it and it will have nothing to do with the vet id say that was an excuse .

[Fledge 0]

I had an AB with that prob in the extreme he was like it in all his toes on both front legs and was crawling about on his knuckles till 4 months old , it was partialy genetic and partially diet based as he was fed crap before i got him then i put him on great food he had a grownth spurt to fast and bones grew faster than the tendons , it does all catch up in the end but a blandish diet not to high in protein helped , the dog did eventually come [bANNED TEXT] by about six months but thought it left him with a weekness there but he did have it in the extreme ! your pup dont look too bad lay of the high protein feeds and gentle leed walkin on hard ground

[Chisel 0]

its found regularly in american bulldogs and is a result of bad breeding and is passed on to pups if a dog out the same litter has perfect toe's it could still throw this its in the genetic make up i think they sometimes point in the way instead of out sometimes both feet can have it but thats alot less comon . so it could be because of his make up itl be the bull side that has caused it and it will have nothing to do with the vet id say that was an excuse .

 

i can understand that, its the long term complications were worried abaht, the pup may be better with someone who wants just a strong dog for companionship, were attached to him, but the prime directive is to have a dog who is capable, without having injury other than what comes with the job. the bringing on is upto us....but its hard to be keen to put all the required effort into a dog that can only ever give you less than what you put in.

[Fledge 0]

i hear you mate i put everything into that bulldog but at the end of the day he just couldnt cut it and got rid come 18 month old

[Chisel 0]

As you say and well know Chisel, Bull feet aint too good at the best of times, they are not bred for running! Imo the 'good' foot is poor! If you want a dog for fox control then he/she should be able to catch one and do the business, where legal of course..Not the right dog for rabbit or hare..jmo.. ...

 

or them with handlebars.....

 

i`ve been at this sport for along time....it was the main factor in my divorce...man can have many wives...and only one great dog....lmao i lived by that...and its caused me some hurt....its been 3-4 years since i ran a dog of my own....now my lad is keen to get on....

all this is reckin my head......i`ve endured bringing dogs on, that didnt have the heart or the tools, too many times...and the ones that did make the grade had unfortunate accidents, through running...perhaps my over keeness(had to bury 2 in one night) and a genuine turn of bad luck.....

i just want my experience to help my son have better fortune.....looking back, i shouldnt have allowed my judgement to be clouded by over enthusiasm....

[kreet 0]

its good your getting back into it just stick at it mate im only 21 not had dogs for running/hunting for 4 years but was braught up racing greyhounds and working terriers and running dogs im just learning all over againe that it all takes time i expected my pups to be more keen earlyer but they wernt i nearly gave up on one iof them but she's coming on now showing some intrest and moves like the wind so im happy to have stuck at her . i hope your pup turns out a decent un for you or i hope you get the right tool and your son will end up as over keen as you were . i think were all over keen at some points in our sporting time's . hope all turns out well for you bud .

 

regards kris .