Bow Hunting

[Born Hunter 17,780]

Canned hunting isn't everybodies cup of tea but it happens, I think your getting a tad silly trying to justify killing an elephant with a bow and comparing it to running deer with lurchers and ferreting, c'mon young fella not everything can be justified to please all, sometimes its better to agree to disagree.

 

 

I'm perfectly happy to agree to disagree.

 

I still can't understand how we can justify suffering in our own hunting sports though and condemn it in foreign ones? And not just condemn it but come out with the same bullshit "that wanker deserves to get killed" attitudes that the antis throw at us? It's the same attitudes that shooters take with lurchermen, coursingmen take with hare shooters, stalkers take with lurchermen, game shots take with terriermen...... "our way is right and your way is wrong". I hate seeing it and it's the number one reason for us as a sporting community for getting bent over with legislation. Politics is governed to an extent by popular opinion, which in turn is goverened by ethics and the ethics of the hunting community is so twisted and contradictory it's hardly suprising we can't shoot a pigeon for the pot or run a deer with a lurcher....

[Born Hunter 17,780]

 

Completely different scenario and can't be compared ... A lurcher running a deer is exactly the same as a wolf or bear running one ... Its animal on animal that's been going on for thousands of years ........

 

 

But the animal still suffers due to our personal choice of hunting method.... Humans hunting with sharpened projectiles (spears etc) has been around for thousands of years, much longer than the high velocity bullet, it's the most basic and natural form of hunting large game we have. We could throw justifications at each other all day but I can't see past the ethics of suffering in both cases.

 

I hunt because it's deeply ingrained in my genetics..... I hunt with dogs because to my senses it's such a natural way of hunting that it satisfies that primitive hunter in me...... much the same as bow hunters. I can't justify it from an ethical stance because a bullet is so much more humane (I can hear it already, "wounding wounding", but dog work doesn't always go to plan either). I hunt by the methods I choose because they're the ones that feel right....... I can hardly condemn the bow hunter for the same.

[gnasher16 30,217]

 

I still can't understand how we can justify suffering in our own hunting sports though and condemn it in foreign ones? And not just condemn it but come out with the same bullshit "that wanker deserves to get killed" attitudes that the antis throw at us? It's the same attitudes that shooters take with lurchermen, coursingmen take with hare shooters, stalkers take with lurchermen, game shots take with terriermen...... "our way is right and your way is wrong". I hate seeing it

 

Totally agree with that......its human nature to think our way is the best way we all do it.........but over time when you get a more rounded view of sport and hunting as a whole and can seperate the two you start to respect other methods different to your own with an acceptance that human beings will ultimately make their own choices based on their own understanding and thats how it should be.

[Born Hunter 17,780]

 

 

I still can't understand how we can justify suffering in our own hunting sports though and condemn it in foreign ones? And not just condemn it but come out with the same bullshit "that wanker deserves to get killed" attitudes that the antis throw at us? It's the same attitudes that shooters take with lurchermen, coursingmen take with hare shooters, stalkers take with lurchermen, game shots take with terriermen...... "our way is right and your way is wrong". I hate seeing it

 

Totally agree with that......its human nature to think our way is the best way we all do it.........but over time when you get a more rounded view of sport and hunting as a whole and can seperate the two you start to respect other methods different to your own with an acceptance that human beings will ultimately make their own choices based on their own understanding and thats how it should be.

 

 

 

And unfortunately it's my nature to challenge those views in my usual 'shoot first send flowers later' manner, when I should really just say "yeah, what a wanker.....". LOL

[Truther 1,579]

 

 

Its not just elephants mate, you obviously missed my comment about Bison, the problem i have is pricks shooting semi tame animals with bows, if you want to defend hunting you should be on their vids commenting on that. You don't seem to understand "i don't give a f**k about the law, landowners, anti's, ill keep doing what im doing, hunting is my natural right imo, i don't need "permission" or "consent" from anyone, a total ban means less competition for me, a gun ban means lots more game for me

 

Footprints of an Elephant herd have been found in the Emirates, 7,000,000 years old, already living in herds just as they do today, bulls, mothers and calves in a family unit, the scientists says "its actual behaviour frozen in time" so i reckon it is their backyard, not ours, unless you can show some evidence of homo sapiens older?

 

 

How do you know it was semi tame? All bow hunted elephants I have seen behave largely the same, they're still wild.

 

And you don't seem to understand I've never mentioned the law once, I'm talking about ethics. You took exception to hunting elephants with a bow for ethical reasons not legal... which I couldn't care about but you felt your ethical reasons are so strong the hunter in question deserves a beating. Now if you equally condemn any form of hunting that doesn't result in instant death then I'd say you're on solid ethical ground but like I have said, most on here wouldn't think twice about using a hard terrier or running a deer with a lurcher that they know will end in anything but instant painless death.

 

 

Your posts are political which brings law into it like it or not. Your'e the typical tory/countryside allience type, your'e worried about division among hunters above ethical killing lol. I am simply stating my stance honestly when i say i don't care about the law/landowners and anti's, not changing my reasons for objecting to the bow hunting of Elephants or other large mammals Having just read your post on the IS thread im really surprised you dare call anybody "deluded" or a "fool" i think i'm justified in calling you a sheep though

[Born Hunter 17,780]

 

Your posts are political which brings law into it like it or not. Your'e the typical tory/countryside allience type, your'e worried about division among hunters above ethical killing lol. I am simply stating my stance honestly when i say i don't care about the law/landowners and anti's, not changing my reasons for objecting to the bow hunting of Elephants or other large mammals Having just read your post on the IS thread im really surprised you dare call anybody "deluded" or a "fool" i think i'm justified in calling you a sheep though

 

 

For political posts there is a stark lack of change in policy!

 

It's an ethical argument, political consiquences are neither here nor there. A typical tory/CA type would sell out the lesser sports to save their own........ You're as good at profiling as Accip.

 

If you have a problem with my posts on another thread be my guest to point out where my delusions are... I called you a fool for the statement "it's wrong because he's doing it for fun", not for any other reason and I stand by that. It wasn't untill after that you changed your reasons to ones of inflicting suffering.

[General lee 979]

What a load of crap hunters on a hunting site saying a man needs beating for hunting in a way man has done for thousands of years there's nothing wrong with bow hunting and all these people moaning about it sound like a load of antis

[delswal 3,819]

Shooting the elephant with a bow is about one thing and one thing only bragging rights, like it or hate it, wether it was a cull animal or a trophy maybe even both the fact is in the eyes of this hunter he has no doubt achieved the ultimate bragging rights. How many of us on here have ( when it was legal of course) took out our lurcher and ran 5-6 foxes a night, maybe an odd deer in the mix daytime of course. (all legal) just like the man with the bow(legal) I know have, and why? for bragging rights and the joy of hunting.

 

Now when I done this many, many years ago, yes I am knocking on a bit, I lived in a large town miles form the countryside and I travelled quite a lot to carry out my hobby / pastime, these animals I hunted posed me no threat nor were they doing any harm to my life style i.e. eating my crops or killing my stock, so why did I do it? because I could and it gave me a thrill, and I got to see my trained domesticated dog challenge other dogs no other reason really.

 

So before we get all judgemental on others and their chosen methods take 5 minutes to think about what some of us do, or have done on here, and why we do it, and you never know, you might tell yourself the truth, and stop pretending we're all pest controllers and doing the landowners a favour. Just saying like

[Ggib 370]

If we weren't ment to hunt god would have made burgers grow on trees. Hunting is hard wired within most of us to feed ourselves, even be most strictest veggie, stick them in a situation where they are starving and the inner hippy gets slung and the predator within comes out to eat

[Truther 1,579]

 

 

Your posts are political which brings law into it like it or not. Your'e the typical tory/countryside allience type, your'e worried about division among hunters above ethical killing lol. I am simply stating my stance honestly when i say i don't care about the law/landowners and anti's, not changing my reasons for objecting to the bow hunting of Elephants or other large mammals Having just read your post on the IS thread im really surprised you dare call anybody "deluded" or a "fool" i think i'm justified in calling you a sheep though

 

 

For political posts there is a stark lack of change in policy!

 

It's an ethical argument, political consiquences are neither here nor there. A typical tory/CA type would sell out the lesser sports to save their own........ You're as good at profiling as Accip.

 

If you have a problem with my posts on another thread be my guest to point out where my delusions are... I called you a fool for the statement "it's wrong because he's doing it for fun", not for any other reason and I stand by that. It wasn't untill after that you changed your reasons to ones of inflicting suffering.

 

 

"You're as good at profiling as Accip" Ok BH, i'm not Sherlock, could be me but you come over all "countryside alliance" pr man at times?

 

I can't see where i changed to "inflicting suffering"? He's doing it because he can, not for food or pest control, taking advantage of a poor country, my personal opinion is "its wrong to shoot an Elephant for sport" not that there's anything very sporting in this vid, and if you have to kill one for a good reason, use a rifle. Maybe i do make a distinction between different quarry, most of us have personal rules for different quarry anyway, i doubt you treat rats the same as a hare for eg? An Elephant with a bow is way to far for me, to chancy for a clean kill, and i wouldn't kill one anyway, not without it being a danger to people. I've killed a fair pile of stuff in my time, and i didn't always get it right, or do some things for the right reason, but you think different as you get older, or most of the lads i know do.

[Accip74 7,112]

 

 

Your posts are political which brings law into it like it or not. Your'e the typical tory/countryside allience type, your'e worried about division among hunters above ethical killing lol. I am simply stating my stance honestly when i say i don't care about the law/landowners and anti's, not changing my reasons for objecting to the bow hunting of Elephants or other large mammals Having just read your post on the IS thread im really surprised you dare call anybody "deluded" or a "fool" i think i'm justified in calling you a sheep though

 

For political posts there is a stark lack of change in policy!

 

It's an ethical argument, political consiquences are neither here nor there. A typical tory/CA type would sell out the lesser sports to save their own........ You're as good at profiling as Accip.

 

If you have a problem with my posts on another thread be my guest to point out where my delusions are... I called you a fool for the statement "it's wrong because he's doing it for fun", not for any other reason and I stand by that. It wasn't untill after that you changed your reasons to ones of inflicting suffering.

"You're as good at profiling as Accip" Ok BH, i'm not Sherlock, could be me but you come over all "countryside alliance" pr man at times?

 

I can't see where i changed to "inflicting suffering"? He's doing it because he can, not for food or pest control, taking advantage of a poor country, my personal opinion is "its wrong to shoot an Elephant for sport" not that there's anything very sporting in this vid, and if you have to kill one for a good reason, use a rifle. Maybe i do make a distinction between different quarry, most of us have personal rules for different quarry anyway, i doubt you treat rats the same as a hare for eg? An Elephant with a bow is way to far for me, to chancy for a clean kill, and i wouldn't kill one anyway, not without it being a danger to people. I've killed a fair pile of stuff in my time, and i didn't always get it right, or do some things for the right reason, but you think different as you get older, or most of the lads i know do.

Profiling is my forte, I was bang on!.....as usual....haha

[Ggib 370]

Right honey badger is 2 nd now. Who'd slip the dog on nelly?

[air gun ant 1,666]

This place really cracks me up sometimes lol

[socks 32,253]

 

Completely different scenario and can't be compared ... A lurcher running a deer is exactly the same as a wolf or bear running one ... Its animal on animal that's been going on for thousands of years ........

 

But the animal still suffers due to our personal choice of hunting method.... Humans hunting with sharpened projectiles (spears etc) has been around for thousands of years, much longer than the high velocity bullet, it's the most basic and natural form of hunting large game we have. We could throw justifications at each other all day but I can't see past the ethics of suffering in both cases.

 

I hunt because it's deeply ingrained in my genetics..... I hunt with dogs because to my senses it's such a natural way of hunting that it satisfies that primitive hunter in me...... much the same as bow hunters. I can't justify it from an ethical stance because a bullet is so much more humane (I can hear it already, "wounding wounding", but dog work doesn't always go to plan either). I hunt by the methods I choose because they're the ones that feel right....... I can hardly condemn the bow hunter for the same.

There is a difference with a native of the country hunting game with the only weapons available to him than somebody that can utilise the correct weapon for the job in hand ... would you go out and purposely shoot a fox with an air gun when you could use a 243 ......

[socks 32,253]

I never mentioned wanting it to be banned ... And if I didn't watch the vid how could I give an objective view .......