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[timmy k 591]

Why would anyone go to hancocks yard and pick up an unsocialised pup from none working parents when he's got the real deal in his yard. My preference would be to put it across a tall racy lurcher that's worked, that way you no its breeding is right on both sides

[Truther 1,579]

Why would anyone go to hancocks yard and pick up an unsocialised pup from none working parents when he's got the real deal in his yard. My preference would be to put it across a tall racy lurcher that's worked, that way you no its breeding is right on both sides

 

No offence mate, but imo that's a recipe for more litter wastage than a whipp/grey x collie, or grey x collie, known some outstanding 3/4 grey/14 collie x 3/4 grey/14 beddy (maybe not spot on?) but i wouldn't add any base blood over or under a straight collie?

[timmy k 591]

That's why I said a tall racy lurcher (maybe long dog would of been right word but ive never used that expression a lurchers a lurcher, different purposes but a lurcher none the less) the height should reduce cobbyness and worst case scenario you have some strong solid dogs

[johnny boy68 11,726]

Knowing Tom and the land he works and how he works it, something along the lines of a collie/whippet would suit him. The collie would give the dog a bit of a stronger frame for crashing through them hedges and handling the bumps better, with the added patience and a bit more trainability to boot(well in theory lol)

[Truther 1,579]

That's why I said a tall racy lurcher (maybe long dog would of been right word but ive never used that expression a lurchers a lurcher, different purposes but a lurcher none the less) the height should reduce cobbyness and worst case scenario you have some strong solid dogs

 

I can see the sense in that mate, better a longdog x longdog that was proven, rather than a track greyhound maybe? But all sighthounds started as some kind of lurcher with base blood, genes don't respect the length of time man has been f***ing about with breeding, distant links tend to find a way of coming out/linking up, so im still in the best odds camp, pure greyhound, and only if i had to breed from a pure collie, been there done that, never again.

[Dewclaw69 484]

Why would anyone go to hancocks yard and pick up an unsocialised pup from none working parents when he's got the real deal in his yard. My preference would be to put it across a tall racy lurcher that's worked, that way you no its breeding is right on both sides

a straight collie grey or whippet grey is a pretty specific type of dog. the collie in the main will provide the brains along with a bit of rubustness and stamina. i can't see any point in trying to re invent the wheel.

no offence meant to the OP here as i can see where he's coming from but like i said before, the amount of time,needed,the hassle, along with chancing he'll pick the right pup out of the litter in my opinion aint worth it. he'll have to pass on the rest of the litter and dispose of the bitch. if i were looking for a collie cross lurcher i'd be off to see the hancocks not trying to breed one.

[Silversnake 1,099]

Interesting thread, I believe it would be fun to use your available stock which you work, know and love but maybe not the best or most efficient method of achieving your goals. Good luck with whatever you choose.

[timmy k 591]

Try finding a greyhound with all the attributes you'd want in a lurcher and then try asking the owner if you can put your collie over it, most will f**k you off, a lurcher ( or long dog ) with a proven track record in the field doing the type of work I would be doing would be my choice of cross. I do agree sourcing a pup would be the easy option but where's the fun in that?

[tomshep 41]

Thanks again for all the input to my question I can see the pro,s and con,s of trying to breed my own pup.the time and work doesn't worry me to much as I am used to haveing a few dogs about and I am now thinking that a straight grey x welsh sheepdog is the way to go.cheers Tom

[Truther 1,579]

Try finding a greyhound with all the attributes you'd want in a lurcher and then try asking the owner if you can put your collie over it, most will f**k you off, a lurcher ( or long dog ) with a proven track record in the field doing the type of work I would be doing would be my choice of cross. I do agree sourcing a pup would be the easy option but where's the fun in that?

 

I meant use a greyhound sire over a collie bitch mate, i wouldn't even ask a greyhound owner if i could stick a collie over their pride and joy

 

Tomshepp....give it a lot of serious thought mate, then buy a pup off someone else

[tomshep 41]

Truther I am darft but not stupid I have a mate who I hunt with and he has a nice bitch he wants me to take on as she had her leg broken when hit by a car a year or two ago and after few runs she goes lame. But all I was asking was if this would be the best cross or should it have something else in the mix

[Truther 1,579]

No need for anything else in the mix if one half is full collie mate, you just need the engine, you'll get brains,feet,coat from the collie, depends what you want from a dog, first x is just to much collie for me, you get the odd exeption granted, but a line i read in a book once sums it up for me it went "ive never met a man who owned a first x collie/ grey who was 100% happy with it"

[stabba 10,745]

Can't see a problem in breeding your own firstx collie/grey. If they are from decent stuff the surplus should be snapped up. A good collie/grey is a joy to behold in it's chosen field. But this is jmo.

[Maximus Ferret 2,063]

No need for anything else in the mix if one half is full collie mate, you just need the engine, you'll get brains,feet,coat from the collie, depends what you want from a dog, first x is just to much collie for me, you get the odd exeption granted, but a line i read in a book once sums it up for me it went "ive never met a man who owned a first x collie/ grey who was 100% happy with it"

This man seems to like his collies mate. No disrespect to your opinion but I've never had a 1st cross collie/grey that I wasn't happy with and I've had one or two in my time.

[Truther 1,579]

 

No need for anything else in the mix if one half is full collie mate, you just need the engine, you'll get brains,feet,coat from the collie, depends what you want from a dog, first x is just to much collie for me, you get the odd exeption granted, but a line i read in a book once sums it up for me it went "ive never met a man who owned a first x collie/ grey who was 100% happy with it"

This man seems to like his collies mate. No disrespect to your opinion but I've never had a 1st cross collie/grey that I wasn't happy with and I've had one or two in my time.

 

 

Nice example there mate, and obvious you put work into him,fair play

 

I don't mean to come over as anti collie x at all mate, my current dog is collie based, i probably wouldn't want a lurcher without "some" herding blood in it, but for me half collie is to much, and even with a bit more dilution you still seem to keep the good traits you were after by adding collie in the first place imo?