Hareydave 1,214 Posted September 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 guy beside me was a bit of a geek all his life I didn't know he was in the army, I thought he just moved away got married an moved back anyway turn out he was in the falklands war an argument with a neighbour an he was over fence beat a man an his two sons he started walking away turn give them it again when cops turn up he his own wife half strangled at his front gate she was only trying stop him. he due out now that fella came home a different person Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 10,004 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Everybody is wired differently and some peopleecan cope with things far better than others ... troops on the front line are under massive stress ... you dont know if your next step will be your last thanks to an iedror whether just as your cracking a joke with your mate a sniper is going to take your head off ... or when your under your bed trying to get some cover when your being mortared for the 14th time that day ... and if you survive all that there is every chance you will see one of your mates or civilians blown to pieces burned or with horrendous bullet wounds ... and if that doesnt mess with your head there are the sickening sights you see when you get to a remote village that has been ethnically clensead ... some things you see in life never leave you ... and unfortunately they end up with a messed head ... now call it ptsd or that the fella is a f**k up ...one things for sure its very real ..... No mate nothing asked nothing questioned ... you can be the best soldier in the world but nobody can train your brain to switch off ... some can some cant ....... I couldn't agree more. You hit the nail on the head there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,535 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 No mate nothing asked nothing questioned ... you can be the best soldier in the world but nobody can train your brain to switch off ... some can some cant ....... I just wondered if it was looked into at all.....makes sense to me that if Mr Smith selected 10 men who happened to top themself and Mr Jones selected 10 men who didnt then Mr Smiths selection process would need to be looked at.......im simplifying things for sake of argument of course but surprises me nothing like that is in place. There is no way that the instructor in training could be blamed for somebody topping themselves ... Basic training is just that BASIC ... It's designed to get a civilian to the basic requirements needed to join a regiment ... They get fit learn drill basic field craft and weapon handling ... A lot of youngsters can't even handle this and get weeded out and sent home ... Only when they get to their regiment do they really get tested and put in real battle situations ... The three fellas I knew that topped themselves had all served at least 22 years so there is no way you could blame their original instructor ........ Id imagine if enough fireman or ambulance staff were going dolally questions would be asked at who was appointing them surely part of selection in any job of that nature is whether the person has the mentality for it ?......oh well we live and learn....cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 No mate nothing asked nothing questioned ... you can be the best soldier in the world but nobody can train your brain to switch off ... some can some cant ....... I just wondered if it was looked into at all.....makes sense to me that if Mr Smith selected 10 men who happened to top themself and Mr Jones selected 10 men who didnt then Mr Smiths selection process would need to be looked at.......im simplifying things for sake of argument of course but surprises me nothing like that is in place. There is no way that the instructor in training could be blamed for somebody topping themselves ... Basic training is just that BASIC ... It's designed to get a civilian to the basic requirements needed to join a regiment ... They get fit learn drill basic field craft and weapon handling ... A lot of youngsters can't even handle this and get weeded out and sent home ... Only when they get to their regiment do they really get tested and put in real battle situations ... The three fellas I knew that topped themselves had all served at least 22 years so there is no way you could blame their original instructor ........ Id imagine if enough fireman or ambulance staff were going dolally questions would be asked at who was appointing them surely part of selection in any job of that nature is whether the person has the mentality for it ?......oh well we live and learn....cheers As I said mate there is no way of telling how anybody will react until they are faced with the horrors up front and personal ... The toughest man in the east end would be a tasty character that's for sure but would he have the mental strength to cope with seeing a child's shredded body at his feet whilst listening to the screams and begging of injured people and all the time trying to keep himself alive .... There is no way you can train for that ........ 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,535 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 As I said mate there is no way of telling how anybody will react until they are faced with the horrors up front and personal ... The toughest man in the east end would be a tasty character that's for sure but would he have the mental strength to cope with seeing a child's shredded body at his feet whilst listening to the screams and begging of injured people and all the time trying to keep himself alive .... There is no way you can train for that ........ Oh i get what your saying i just presumed there would be psycology experts or what not making judgement but i suppose with that scenario put in front of a normal human being very few folk would get past selection.......id be out the back door i know that much !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,971 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 (edited) When extreme situations happen, it's my understanding that there two types of people......those that fold and those that focus. Years of military training I would imagine is designed to make the mind focus.......however, once back in the ordinary hum drum of real life I would imagine that what the mind then does is a lottery. Hence why so many coppers are alcaholics !! Edited September 17, 2014 by WILF 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cleanspade 3,324 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 post traumatic stress disorder is exactly what it says. it is real and folk do need help to control it. it beggers belief how many folk are so judgemental. its not just a soldiers illness it is brought about by traumatic incidents that change you in a very short space of time. not allowing time for the mind to adjust or take stock. mental trauma is just as real as physical trauma. the only difference is you can see physical trauma. a cracked head or bone sticking out of a leg can be seen and easily evaluated a broken mind cannot . therefore in some folks ideal and simplistic worlds if it cant be seen it isnt there as for learning problems in children or behavour problems. lets just sweep them under the carpet. and give em a cuff round the lughole eh 7 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fireman 11,012 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 No mate nothing asked nothing questioned ... you can be the best soldier in the world but nobody can train your brain to switch off ... some can some cant ....... I just wondered if it was looked into at all.....makes sense to me that if Mr Smith selected 10 men who happened to top themself and Mr Jones selected 10 men who didnt then Mr Smiths selection process would need to be looked at.......im simplifying things for sake of argument of course but surprises me nothing like that is in place. There is no way that the instructor in training could be blamed for somebody topping themselves ... Basic training is just that BASIC ... It's designed to get a civilian to the basic requirements needed to join a regiment ... They get fit learn drill basic field craft and weapon handling ... A lot of youngsters can't even handle this and get weeded out and sent home ... Only when they get to their regiment do they really get tested and put in real battle situations ... The three fellas I knew that topped themselves had all served at least 22 years so there is no way you could blame their original instructor ........ Id imagine if enough fireman or ambulance staff were going dolally questions would be asked at who was appointing them surely part of selection in any job of that nature is whether the person has the mentality for it ?......oh well we live and learn....cheers My old dad was a fireman for 40+ years(hence the usser name) and he allways told us they used to play tricks on each other with dead bodies sometimes to help take away the horrors of them,he said you'd go mad otherwise Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TUFFTY 1,484 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 My grandad was a fireman at Whitechapel during the war. He didn't like to talk when he got home sometimes. This was when children was involved in the fire. He went on to become chief fire officer, but still had hes days of silence. Then you knew it was a bad fire. Like socks says, nothing prepares you for your buddy getting blown to pieces and you've got bits of hes body all over you. Nothing prepares you when you see mutilated children laying everywhere. Some people can cope with this. I certainly didnt cope with those sort of scenes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DEERMAN 1,020 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 No mate nothing asked nothing questioned ... you can be the best soldier in the world but nobody can train your brain to switch off ... some can some cant ....... I just wondered if it was looked into at all.....makes sense to me that if Mr Smith selected 10 men who happened to top themself and Mr Jones selected 10 men who didnt then Mr Smiths selection process would need to be looked at.......im simplifying things for sake of argument of course but surprises me nothing like that is in place. There is no way that the instructor in training could be blamed for somebody topping themselves ... Basic training is just that BASIC ... It's designed to get a civilian to the basic requirements needed to join a regiment ... They get fit learn drill basic field craft and weapon handling ... A lot of youngsters can't even handle this and get weeded out and sent home ... Only when they get to their regiment do they really get tested and put in real battle situations ... The three fellas I knew that topped themselves had all served at least 22 years so there is no way you could blame their original instructor ........ Id imagine if enough fireman or ambulance staff were going dolally questions would be asked at who was appointing them surely part of selection in any job of that nature is whether the person has the mentality for it ?......oh well we live and learn....cheers My old dad was a fireman for 40+ years(hence the usser name) and he allways told us they used to play tricks on each other with dead bodies sometimes to help take away the horrors of them,he said you'd go mad otherwise You hit nail on head there , its same type of black humor in the Army , thou some would call it it sick but it does help and helps you cope in some not so nice places and situations ,but its knowing when to switch it off at home is the problem 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fireman 11,012 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 My grandad was a fireman at Whitechapel during the war. He didn't like to talk when he got home sometimes. This was when children was involved in the fire. He went on to become chief fire officer, but still had hes days of silence. Then you knew it was a bad fire. Like socks says, nothing prepares you for your buddy getting blown to pieces and you've got bits of hes body all over you. Nothing prepares you when you see mutilated children laying everywhere. Some people can cope with this. I certainly didnt cope with those sort of scenes. My old man was a MOD fireman on air bases and ended up a DO and the fire chief at Boscome down and Farnbrough but like your granddad there were days as kids when he came home we knew to leave him alone and let him be as well.It's down to personal levels of coping with things and the enviroment you encounter them in as i'd like to see how many army medics compared to active front line soldiers suffer from as i'd say it'd be less although they see worse things more regularly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TUFFTY 1,484 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 My grandad was a fireman at Whitechapel during the war. He didn't like to talk when he got home sometimes. This was when children was involved in the fire. He went on to become chief fire officer, but still had hes days of silence. Then you knew it was a bad fire. Like socks says, nothing prepares you for your buddy getting blown to pieces and you've got bits of hes body all over you. Nothing prepares you when you see mutilated children laying everywhere. Some people can cope with this. I certainly didnt cope with those sort of scenes. My old man was a MOD fireman on air bases and ended up a DO and the fire chief at Boscome down and Farnbrough but like your granddad there were days as kids when he came home we knew to leave him alone and let him be as well.It's down to personal levels of coping with things and the enviroment you encounter them in as i'd like to see how many army medics compared to active front line soldiers suffer from as i'd say it'd be less although they see worse things more regularly. Ive got a picture of grandad and hes crew somewhere. Taken in the 70s. Will dig it out and put it up later. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Astanley 11,580 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Its bit unfair bracketing PTSD with ADHD like they were two sides of the same coin , ADHD , is a disorder brought on by the wrong diet , ( too much sugar ,too much processed food ) lack of proper focused exercise , video /computer games , lack of proper sleep and routine , an adjustment in lifestyle corrects the symptoms of ADHD , that some people have this knowledge yet continue to let their kids pop pills speaks volumes . PTSD has been around since the dawn of time , it has been called many things , including shell shock , cowardice , and just plain nuttiness , different people have different thresholds as to their mental breaking point , some people have better coping mechanisms , but its something that anyone can suffer from given the right ,or should that be wrong ? ,circumstances , its not a sign of weakness , its not a sign of mental frailty ,,, we are human it happens , and when it happens if your lucky enough it gets recognised and your helped to recover , if your unlucky and its not recognised ,and you don't get the help you need , then you,ll probably end up sleeping rough with some kunt throwing firecrackers at you ... This is just my own humble opinion . 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ggib 370 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Its bit unfair bracketing PTSD with ADHD like they were two sides of the same coin , ADHD , is a disorder brought on by the wrong diet , ( too much sugar ,too much processed food ) lack of proper focused exercise , video /computer games , lack of proper sleep and routine , an adjustment in lifestyle corrects the symptoms of ADHD , that some people have this knowledge yet continue to let their kids pop pills speaks volumes . PTSD has been around since the dawn of time , it has been called many things , including shell shock , cowardice , and just plain nuttiness , different people have different thresholds as to their mental breaking point , some people have better coping mechanisms , but its something that anyone can suffer from given the right ,or should that be wrong ? ,circumstances , its not a sign of weakness , its not a sign of mental frailty ,,, we are human it happens , and when it happens if your lucky enough it gets recognised and your helped to recover , if your unlucky and its not recognised ,and you don't get the help you need , then you,ll probably end up sleeping rough with some kunt throwing firecrackers at you ... This is just my own humble opinion . your fire crackers are in the post 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 similar with these new kids illnessess adhd do they call it.....we just got called naughty little c**ts yet now a parent can claim benefits and get cars off the government for it My boy has got a form of adhd. With his medication he's a polite, focused lad who excels in school, without it his impulsiveness gets him into all manner of trouble. If giving him a little pill every morning is the difference between him failing his studies and getting the best start he can in life I'm all for it. As for the benefits and car, where do I sign up? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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