Proof The Earth Is Flat

[Born Hunter 17,775]

 

RemmyBolt, how many times I have tried to tell theists that the big bang theory allows for a god and creation I don't know.

 

Love your last sentence!

 

"We are all entitled to our own opinions. We are not entitled to our own facts!"

Hop over to the God thread. I'm having a rant you might enjoy.

 

 

No chance.... been there, done that, sick to death of the ignorant. All that thread has done is fire up two sides and as usual science gets mocked and attacked as a result and so ignorance breeds more ignorance.

[Born Hunter 17,775]

 

I dont think its about who is right or proving truth nobody is going to do that.....more a case of trusting your own understanding and adjusting your thought process on an interesting topic when necessary....thats all it is for me anyway....but again like i say its how you earn a pound note so i respect the fact its not quite as basic for you.

 

 

I didn't mean to imply you specifically were trying to prove you're right. You're smart enough to know you can't and we've had that discussion before. It was just a general observation. I hate it when thiests and athiests use science to argue their corner when all it does is lead to science being ridiculed. Science is the persuit of truth and knowledge, it's not out to prove or disprove God.

 

It's true I use science to earn my living but that doesn't make me biased to one answer or another. If you loose objectivity and scientific curosity then you loose anything resembling science. You can't find the truth to this Universe by closing your eyes to things you don't like.

[RemyBolt 420]

Don't worry mate. I get what you meant. I'm probably the hardest person in the world to insult. Even Zini couldn't pop a pellet through my tough skin haha. So if you ever think I've been insulted...I've probably not. I don't think I'm smart enough to be insulted really.

 

 

 

It's true I use science to earn my living but that doesn't make me biased to one answer or another. If you loose objectivity and scientific curosity then you loose anything resembling science. You can't find the truth to this Universe by closing your eyes to things you don't like.

 

I completely agree mate. Christians are their own worse enemies, and rarely will an Atheist even play around with the notion of a God. When people say "Nothing you say will make me believe in God." I just buy them a coffee and change subject. If they've already said they're not going to try to see the other side of the coin, there's no point me wasting my breath. So I start talking about economics or something else that we'd have in common.

Edited September 10, 2014 by RemyBolt

[Born Hunter 17,775]

Gods just one of those subjects you have to be in the mood for.... For someone to say there is nothing that could convince you to believe in God is ignorant and narrow minded. I'm an atheist, I don't believe there is anything supernatural about the Universe, I've made my stance clear on that based on countless hours of thought and everything my senses have recorded in my life. That's not ignorance or agnosticism, it's evidence and logic based faith in atheism. I can present that argument but I'll not enter an argument with the intention of proving my beliefs right. That'd be the height of idiocy, ignorance and arrogance.

Edited September 10, 2014 by Born Hunter

[charlie boy 85]

who cares get the dogs out in the fields and stop talking shite

[RemyBolt 420]

Gods just one of those subjects you have to be in the mood for.... For someone to say there is nothing that could convince you to believe in God is ignorant and narrow minded. I'm an atheist, I don't believe there is anything supernatural about the Universe, I've made my stance clear on that based on countless hours of thought and everything my senses have recorded in my life. That's not ignorance or agnosticism, it's evidence and logic based faith in atheism. I can present that argument but I'll not enter an argument with the intention of proving my beliefs right. That'd be the height of idiocy, ignorance and arrogance.

That's a very fair opinion. I'd love to understand more where you're coming from. PM me if you want to chat about it. No arguments, just a lot of questions; I love to learn. Oh and no mocking of Science.

 

Ironically, my faith in God is based on the same things as your faith in Atheism.

[Born Hunter 17,775]

 

That's a very fair opinion. I'd love to understand more where you're coming from. PM me if you want to chat about it. No arguments, just a lot of questions; I love to learn. Oh and no mocking of Science.

 

Ironically, my faith in God is based on the same things as your faith in Atheism.

 

 

I'm burnt out on it, maybe another day.

[gnasher16 30,144]

 

 

....yet there is no human being alive that can give us OBSERVABLE evidence that evolution is true !.....we,re just told to accept it because as you say science requires faith also.....so in reality your " faith " has no more evidence than mine does.

 

But evolution has been witnessed, speciation has been observed in nature and in laboratory experiments! It's an undeniable FACT that biological populations adapt their genetics to better suit their environment. That has been witnessed, that is evolution!

 

The theory of common descent, that all life on Earth has evolved from a common ancestor has not been witnessed and yet it has MUCH supporting evidence. To say that the beliefe that god created us all in our current form has no less evidence than theory of common descent I find ridiculous in light of what science has discovered. I could reel of a huge list of evidence to support this theory, however that would take me significant time and I really don't think it'd make a difference.

 

To save your time then......dont give me a huge list......just give me 1 piece of OBSERVABLE evidence that evolution is true ?.....Not something ive got to recieve by faith something i can actually observe....being that observe is the word science itself uses to describe itself.

[TOMO 26,237]

What about those lizards that live on those pacific islands,,,,might be near galopgas Islands ,,,the ones that swim and eat sea weed from underwater,,,,yet on the other islands and mainland they don't ,,,they were the same species but evolved because of habitat

[sandymere 8,263]

Or this one a little closer to home, from wolf to dog, evolutionary genetics.

 

http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2013/01/23/people-and-dogs-a-genetic-love-story/

[Born Hunter 17,775]

To save your time then......dont give me a huge list......just give me 1 piece of OBSERVABLE evidence that evolution is true ?.....Not something ive got to recieve by faith something i can actually observe....being that observe is the word science itself uses to describe itself.

 

 

A lab experiment first perfromed in 1880 which subjected an isolated strain of E.coli to heat (a change in environment) in an effort to force an adaptation to a new environment has resulted in new strains to develop, one of which has the ability to grow on citric acid. The original strain did not have this ability.

 

Along a similar line, bacteria has evolved antibiotic resistance.

 

This is proof that population gene pools adapt to environmental changes. That is evolution. You can't just expect to throw a dog into the sea and watch it grow fins and gills, that's not evolution.

 

I'll chuck a wild guess out there though and say that your mind hasn't moved an inch? If you want to learn about evolutionary biology, read a credited book on it... It's something I fear I would missrepresent and do more harm than good.

[RemyBolt 420]

 

To save your time then......dont give me a huge list......just give me 1 piece of OBSERVABLE evidence that evolution is true ?.....Not something ive got to recieve by faith something i can actually observe....being that observe is the word science itself uses to describe itself.

 

 

A lab experiment first perfromed in 1880 which subjected an isolated strain of E.coli to heat (a change in environment) in an effort to force an adaptation to a new environment has resulted in new strains to develop, one of which has the ability to grow on citric acid. The original strain did not have this ability.

 

Along a similar line, bacteria has evolved antibiotic resistance.

 

This is proof that population gene pools adapt to environmental changes. That is evolution. You can't just expect to throw a dog into the sea and watch it grow fins and gills, that's not evolution.

 

I'll chuck a wild guess out there though and say that your mind hasn't moved an inch? If you want to learn about evolutionary biology, read a credited book on it... It's something I fear I would missrepresent and do more harm than good.

 

Would you say this was broad evolution (a direct species change as a result to environmental stimuli change), or was it mutation and natural selection?

 

I am asking because E.Coli are fast reproducers (if memory serves me correctly).

[gnasher16 30,144]

What about those lizards that live on those pacific islands,,,,might be near galopgas Islands ,,,the ones that swim and eat sea weed from underwater,,,,yet on the other islands and mainland they don't ,,,they were the same species but evolved because of habitat

 

Did they change kind ? or are they still lizards ?............if they didnt change kind then surely thats adaptation and not evolution ?

[Born Hunter 17,775]

 

 

To save your time then......dont give me a huge list......just give me 1 piece of OBSERVABLE evidence that evolution is true ?.....Not something ive got to recieve by faith something i can actually observe....being that observe is the word science itself uses to describe itself.

 

 

A lab experiment first perfromed in 1880 which subjected an isolated strain of E.coli to heat (a change in environment) in an effort to force an adaptation to a new environment has resulted in new strains to develop, one of which has the ability to grow on citric acid. The original strain did not have this ability.

 

Along a similar line, bacteria has evolved antibiotic resistance.

 

This is proof that population gene pools adapt to environmental changes. That is evolution. You can't just expect to throw a dog into the sea and watch it grow fins and gills, that's not evolution.

 

I'll chuck a wild guess out there though and say that your mind hasn't moved an inch? If you want to learn about evolutionary biology, read a credited book on it... It's something I fear I would missrepresent and do more harm than good.

 

Would you say this was broad evolution (a direct species change as a result to environmental stimuli change), or was it mutation and natural selection?

 

I am asking because E.Coli are fast reproducers (if memory serves me correctly).

 

 

That's why I believe E.coli was used, the process is speeded up.

 

To my understanding mutation is a constantly occuring biological process, it's natural selection which determins which of these mutations are best suited if at all to the environment, which itself has a minimum step of a generation (there I've just quantised evolution, lol). This process as a whole is the mechanism behind evolution.

[sandymere 8,263]

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/evolution

 

Gnasher, Adaption is part of evolution.

Edited September 10, 2014 by sandymere