Flipper_Al 1,012 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Sold it to me 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,916 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 So let me get this right...... We live on Terry's Diskworld lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TUFFTY 1,476 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 Blimey must be true Bloke down pub said Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,102 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 The reason it's treated by many as a fact is because it holds superior credibility to other ideas because logical predictions have been made from it and later found. Creation in the Biblical sense can't claim that.So if we dont like options a,b and c..... we can call option d a fact because we like that more than the others........and thats not blind faith ....i love it ......if only life was actually like that ! I didn't say that, I was explaining why some people are miss lead in what they term facts. But you crack on trivialising mainstream science as "what people like", lol. Science isn't a mindless popularity contest. Like I said, ridicule all of science, evolution isn't unique in how it has become mainstream. I guess gravity is caused by the strong arm of invisible gnomes pulling? Equally credible right? LOL I've heard it all know, science is simply what people like... f**k all to do with observations and testing. Well that's made my job a lot easier. I dont ridicule science i ridicule the language used by science.......probably in a similar way to folk who ridicule every single part of creation without a second thought so i guess its ok to ridicule one faith but not the other eh ....After all said and done we are debating 2 unproven faiths only difference being yours gets you a living....i respect that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,763 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 For a start I haven't ridiculed creation, but I'm pretty sure you weren't talking about me. Creation is of course a possibility though with nothing I've seen to support it. Some people have miss represented science and used it to ridicule religion, you've taken that somewhat personally and I get that, it wasn't fair. However I wasn't one of those people so when I see someone making a joke out of science like the mainstream theories have no more validity than any human belief I also take it personally. I agree with you that it requires a degree of faith to believe in a scientific theory. But the fact I earn a living from science is not the defining difference to me, it's that my faith requires evidence and testing to be given, the more of which I get the less faith it takes to believe it. How did this even become about God? Again! LOL. The whole subject seems to have gotten everybody raging to prove that their athiest/thiest beliefs are right. Which again is something I have not tried to do. All I'm interested in is learning the truth, if god or another creator is at the end of that then I hope I find the b*****d. I'll name the bugger after me and be famous! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ggib 370 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 That must have been what happened to mh360 it flew off the edge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beast 1,884 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 For a start I haven't ridiculed creation, but I'm pretty sure you weren't talking about me. Creation is of course a possibility though with nothing I've seen to support it. Some people have miss represented science and used it to ridicule religion, you've taken that somewhat personally and I get that, it wasn't fair. However I wasn't one of those people so when I see someone making a joke out of science like the mainstream theories have no more validity than any human belief I also take it personally. I agree with you that it requires a degree of faith to believe in a scientific theory. But the fact I earn a living from science is not the defining difference to me, it's that my faith requires evidence and testing to be given, the more of which I get the less faith it takes to believe it. How did this even become about God? Again! LOL. The whole subject seems to have gotten everybody raging to prove that their athiest/thiest beliefs are right. Which again is something I have not tried to do. All I'm interested in is learning the truth, if god or another creator is at the end of that then I hope I find the b*****d. I'll name the bugger after me and be famous! you are a liar and an idiot :) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
beast 1,884 Posted September 9, 2014 Report Share Posted September 9, 2014 tell me this how come the bible tells you thousands of years ago the earth is circle have a think about it when atheists scientists said it was flat here couple egs plenty more Psalm 104:5 ESV / 3 helpful votes He set the earth on its foundations, so that it should never be moved. 1 Kings 7:26 ESV / 3 helpful votes Its thickness was a handbreadth, and its brim was made like the brim of a cup, like the flower of a lily. It held two thousand baths. Joshua 4:1-24 ESV / 3 helpful votes When all the nation had finished passing over the Jordan, the Lord said to Joshua, Take twelve men from the people, from each tribe a man, and command them, saying, Take twelve stones from here out of the midst of the Jordan, from the very place where the priests' feet stood firmly, and bring them over with you and lay them down in the place where you lodge tonight. Then Joshua called the twelve men from the people of Israel, whom he had appointed, a man from each tribe. And Joshua said to them, Pass on before the ark of the Lordyour God into the midst of the Jordan, and take up each of you a stone upon his shoulder, according to the number of the tribes of the people of Israel, Revelation 7:1 ESV / 2 helpful votes After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, that no wind might blow on earth or sea or against any tree. Amos 5:8 ESV / 2 helpful votes He who made the Pleiades and Orion, and turns deep darkness into the morning and darkens the day into night, who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out on the surface of the earth, the Lord is his name; Isaiah 11:12 ESV / 2 helpful votes He will raise a signal for the nations and will assemble the banished of Israel, and gather the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. Helpful Not HelpfulExodus 20:3 ESV / 2 helpful votes You shall have no other gods before me. Job 26:10 ESV / 5 helpful votes He has inscribed a circle on the face of the waters at the boundary between light and darkness. Job 26:7 ESV / 4 helpful votes b 26:10 ESV / 5 helpful votes He has inscribed a circle on the face of the waters at the boundary between light ob 38:15 "The earth takes shape like clay under a seal." King James Bible "It is" he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof "are" as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: fraz mate, i cant see where it says the earth is round? the only quote that mentions the earth says it doesnt move. think you have pasted the wrong script pal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 i have lad il redo today after work Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RemyBolt 420 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 So let me get this right...... We live on Terry's Diskworld lol Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, on the back of an elephant, on the back of a giant turtle. The thing is, it just doesn't work. The maps showing the 'curved' flight routes is because a circular map cannot be drawn properly on a flat square of paper. When you look at the google earth flight plans around the antarctic, if the line of the flight was directly under the camera angle, it would be a straight line. Oh and I think people are getting ready to re-create Earnest Shackleton's expedition. So we'll find out soon anyway. p.s. how long does it take to sail around Greenland? p.p.s. How long does it take to sail around the Antarctic? p.p.p.s. OWNED!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,102 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) For a start I haven't ridiculed creation, but I'm pretty sure you weren't talking about me. Creation is of course a possibility though with nothing I've seen to support it. Some people have miss represented science and used it to ridicule religion, you've taken that somewhat personally and I get that, it wasn't fair. However I wasn't one of those people so when I see someone making a joke out of science like the mainstream theories have no more validity than any human belief I also take it personally. I agree with you that it requires a degree of faith to believe in a scientific theory. But the fact I earn a living from science is not the defining difference to me, it's that my faith requires evidence and testing to be given, the more of which I get the less faith it takes to believe it. How did this even become about God? Again! LOL. The whole subject seems to have gotten everybody raging to prove that their athiest/thiest beliefs are right. Which again is something I have not tried to do. All I'm interested in is learning the truth, if god or another creator is at the end of that then I hope I find the b*****d. I'll name the bugger after me and be famous! Thats right i wasnt talking about you hence i chose the word " folk ".......i wasnt making a joke of science i respect it and what we can learn from it....i find the language it uses amusing in terms of how it shapes certain words to suit.....as an example of one that amuses me .....the word " observe "......which if im not wrong is used in the standard description of what science essentially is......" the practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the physical and natural world through OBSERVATION and experiment ".................yet there is no human being alive that can give us OBSERVABLE evidence that evolution is true !.....we,re just told to accept it because as you say science requires faith also.....so in reality your " faith " has no more evidence than mine does. I dont think its about who is right or proving truth nobody is going to do that.....more a case of trusting your own understanding and adjusting your thought process on an interesting topic when necessary....thats all it is for me anyway....but again like i say its how you earn a pound note so i respect the fact its not quite as basic for you. Edited September 10, 2014 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RemyBolt 420 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) Wow, creation vs Big Bang. Okay, here you go.... See previous message about the mis-interpretation of the original scripture. The sequencing of all the 'ages' or 'periods of time' from the Bible would fit with the sequence of the Big Bang. If you do not believe me, check out the first few chapters of the Bible and then go and read a little Hawkins. Presto. One speaks about God creating it all, the other tries to explain it without God in the picture. The thing is, everything within the sequence would be identically situated. Could people (mainly Christians) stop removing God from Science. Just because Science says something, it does not mean it is directly opposed to your belief system. The two should actually be able to co-exist in perfect harmony. Science proves the Bible, but goes into a deeper degree of detail about the way God works (if you believe in God that is). One interesting thought on this, God did not create the universe. God said "Let it be" and it happened. Would this not fit perfectly with Hawkins? God allowed the universe. The only thing God made was mankind - Don't believe me, check the scripture. Then get back to me. Science and God should go hand in hand. You cannot have one without the other, if you're a Christian...in theory. Think about Noah's Arc, if you believe that all evidence of Noah's arc existing is false because Science said it was real, then you're an idiot. Science has provided a pollen dated (if you only know about Carbon Dating, check out Pollen dating) layer of silt everywhere on earth. Thus 'the great flood' seems to be scientifically evidenced. If you reject science, then you reject this evidence too. Evidence for biblical phenomena preferred and believed above evidence against is also an illogical mind step. Which is why I try to accept ALL bits of information. We are all entitled to our own opinions. We are not entitled to our own facts! Edited September 10, 2014 by RemyBolt 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,763 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) ....yet there is no human being alive that can give us OBSERVABLE evidence that evolution is true !.....we,re just told to accept it because as you say science requires faith also.....so in reality your " faith " has no more evidence than mine does. But evolution has been witnessed, speciation has been observed in nature and in laboratory experiments! It's an undeniable FACT that biological populations adapt their genetics to better suit their environment. That has been witnessed, that is evolution! The theory of common descent, that all life on Earth has evolved from a common ancestor has not been witnessed and yet it has MUCH supporting evidence. To say that the beliefe that god created us all in our current form has no less evidence than theory of common descent I find ridiculous in light of what science has discovered. I could reel of a huge list of evidence to support this theory, however that would take me significant time and I really don't think it'd make a difference. Edited September 10, 2014 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,763 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 RemmyBolt, how many times I have tried to tell theists that the big bang theory allows for a god and creation I don't know. Love your last sentence! "We are all entitled to our own opinions. We are not entitled to our own facts!" 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RemyBolt 420 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 RemmyBolt, how many times I have tried to tell theists that the big bang theory allows for a god and creation I don't know. Love your last sentence! "We are all entitled to our own opinions. We are not entitled to our own facts!" Hop over to the God thread. I'm having a rant you might enjoy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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