Proof The Earth Is Flat

[WILF 46,786]

So that's a "No" then, it hasn't been proved and could in future generations be found to be as much rubbish as a "flat earth" ?

 

Of course, I am just f***ing with you a bit but it has amused me how folk have spoken to religious people on the other thread like what they are saying is mental talk when in fact you are all talking about things that no one has ever proven.

 

I would say you are all just about level pegging when it comes to the validity of your beliefs.......wouldn't you?

Edited September 9, 2014 by WILF

[Born Hunter 17,763]

And finding circumstantial evidence to back up a theory isn't quiet the same thing as proof is it now .........evolution has not to this day been proven has it ?

 

Just saying like

 

Define evolution exactly? Do you want me to prove that all life on earth evolved from one common ancester? Because that's impossible, I could prove that the mechanism is possible, but I can't prove that that is what happened as I don't have a time machine. But that stands for all science, I can prove that the Universe is expanding as I can observe that but I cannot prove that it started with a big bang. However predictions made based on those theories when found give the theory greater credibility. That's how all of science works. If you rubbish evolution then you might as well rubbish every theory.

[WILF 46,786]

I'm not very clever mate so my definition of evolution is that billions of years ago my ancestor was a newt and over the years it turned in me ?..........that is my understanding of the basic premise.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

So that's a "No" then, it hasn't been proved and could in future generations be found to be as much rubbish as a "flat earth" ?

 

Of course, I am just f***ing with you a bit but it has amused me how folk have spoken to religious people on the other thread like what they are saying is mental talk when in fact you are all talking about things that no one has ever proven.

 

I would say you are all just about level pegging when it comes to the validity of your beliefs.......wouldn't you?

 

No that's not true at all Wilf, I've told you a hypothesis is formed from observations (like flat earth or relitivity or gravity or evolution), then predictions are made that can be searched for to validate the hypothesis. This has been done for all mainstream science. Flat earth falls over straight away with this modern scientific methodology, evolution, like gravity and relitivity hasn't. I've told you, all theories could be proven wrong tomorrow with a single observation. But the chance of that happening diminishes with more predictions that are proven. You're telling me it takes as much faith to believe in a scientific theory as it does to believe in creation, I'm telling you by modern scientific logic literal biblical creation doesn't hold the validity that evolution does, no where near.

 

People need to stop thinking in terms of absolute truth/proof and think in terms of percentage probability/validity.

[WILF 46,786]

Exactly and what you are telling me is that once upon a time a newt decides to crawl out the water, get up on 2 legs, loose it's tail, develope the most massive brain in the animal kingdom, grow hair, eat bananas, swing from trees, use tools ad infinitum.........?

 

And if all scientific work is biased to proving this correct it's not exactly a level playing field is it ?

 

But hey, sure, why not.......it don't sound too far fetched when you look at it !! Lol lol

[Born Hunter 17,763]

I'm not very clever mate so my definition of evolution is that billions of years ago my ancestor was a newt and over the years it turned in me ?..........that is my understanding of the basic premise.

 

I'm not very clever either but I try to fight the corner best I can and try to remain objective and keep humility to do that.

 

Well I can't ever prove that that happened, I can just progressively increase the probability of that being the correct sequence of events. The mechanism has been proven, the predictions are being proven..... That gives the theory greater and greater credibility. That doesn't mean that we might one day find an alien civilisation that has used us as one massive biology experiment and created engineered species continuously, each time trying a new improved version, giving the impression of evolution/common ancester in a highly unlikely scenario..... But then that hypothesis holds zero credibility as there is nothing to support it................ I hear you say "yet" lol.

 

Everything we 'know' is about probability, everything, everything in this universe is statistics and probability.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Exactly and what you are telling me is that once upon a time a newt decides to crawl out the water, get up on 2 legs, loose it's tail, develope the most massive brain in the animal kingdom, grow hair, eat bananas, swing from trees, use tools ad infinitum.........?

 

And if all scientific work is biased to proving this correct it's not exactly a level playing field is it ?

 

But hey, sure, why not.......it don't sound too far fetched when you look at it !! Lol lol

 

Some scientists will be biased, they're human in the end, they'll have an idea and stubbornly stick to it. But for me the most fundamental aspect of the scientific mind is challenging the status quo, questioning what is not questioned. Intelligence is secondary to that. Objectivity is so often quoted, it's the cornerstone of science! So I'd say it is a level playing field if allowed to progress freely, unhindered by the biased politics and emotions of man.

[WILF 46,786]

So you think it's valid that there is no probability at all that the bible is true?......maybe not factually correct to modern standards but true all the same?

There's documented evidence of huge chunks of it so surely that makes it as valid as "evolution theory?"

 

That's my point

[johnny boy68 11,726]

Exactly and what you are telling me is that once upon a time a newt decides to crawl out the water, get up on 2 legs, loose it's tail, develope the most massive brain in the animal kingdom, grow hair, eat bananas, swing from trees, use tools ad infinitum.........?

 

And if all scientific work is biased to proving this correct it's not exactly a level playing field is it ?

 

But hey, sure, why not.......it don't sound too far fetched when you look at it !! Lol lol

So it crawled out of the water and turned into a sperm whale then did it WILF?

[WILF 46,786]

 

Exactly and what you are telling me is that once upon a time a newt decides to crawl out the water, get up on 2 legs, loose it's tail, develope the most massive brain in the animal kingdom, grow hair, eat bananas, swing from trees, use tools ad infinitum.........?

And if all scientific work is biased to proving this correct it's not exactly a level playing field is it ?

But hey, sure, why not.......it don't sound too far fetched when you look at it !! Lol lol

 

So it crawled out of the water and turned into a sperm whale then did it WILF?

Why not ?

[frazdog 252]

bh were your mechanism proof for evo an predictons proven

as you say above

you vanished from other thread cause you had none

 

explain mate

 

now your thinking wilf lol

[MickC 1,825]

If a Princess kisses a frog and it turned into a Prince we would call it a Fairy Tale, however if the Frog takes 40 million years to turn into a Prince,we call it Evolution. Time is the Evolotionists magic wand.

Edited September 9, 2014 by MickC

[Born Hunter 17,763]

So you think it's valid that there is no probability at all that the bible is true?......maybe not factually correct to modern standards but true all the same?

There's documented evidence of huge chunks of it so surely that makes it as valid as "evolution theory?"

 

That's my point

 

There are also huge chunks of it highly probable bullshit. But I'm out of my depth talking about the bible, so I wont.

 

Wilf, I really don't want to go down this path mate. You believe in creation, I don't. I don't think any worse of you for it, I'm not one that will mock a theist. You don't try to twist science, you just draw different conclusions from what you are presented with.

 

I'm fecking off before this turns crazy.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

bh were your mechanism proof for evo an predictons proven

as you say above

you vanished from other thread cause you had none

 

explain mate

 

now your thinking wilf lol

 

Yes, that's why I left. LOL LOL

[shepp 2,285]

bh were your mechanism proof for evo an predictons proven

as you say above

you vanished from other thread cause you had none

 

explain mate

 

now your thinking wilf lol

There is not an explanation in existence that could penetrate your blinkered and brainwashed ignorance.