Patterdale Vs Jagdterrier Pros And Cons

[Mosby 355]

Very clear you've never seen a Jagd work Tracy. They're nothing like any other terrier.

[treankare666 10]

Mosby - i agree 100%

[Minkenry 1,044]

I think your mental myself and have since I read your posts on using mink, too many "dicks" like you trying to re invent different ways of hunting when a smoker or a decent ferret would do, mine would kill the f*ck out of that mink along with most other lads dogs, you limit the people that can hunt with you right away, traditional hunting methods have been with us for hundreds of years why change it ?? WM

 

Here's the thing, we don't just hunt rats. Try sending a ferret down after a 900 gram rock squirrel! You'll need a real special ferret to handle those suckers! l'm sure it's possible to find a ferret that can handle rock squirrels, but it's close to impossible to find a ferret that can handle a 1600 gram muskrat! So yeah, if all I hunted were wussy little rats and rabbits, a ferret would work just fine. But you try using a ferret on 90% of my hunts and you'll either end up with a dead ferret, or one afraid to go down a hole!

Edited September 21, 2014 by Minkenry

[jawn 449]

Jagds are like any terrier breed in that some are extremely good at whatever you ask of them and some are complete junk. Some have zero hunt... but will take a hold and an ass whoopin from whatever you put in front of them.... and some have all the hunt and ability in the world but are cowards. They can be as big as nearly any.... and as small. They come at either extreme from a size and performance standpoint.... and they are everywhere in between as well. I doubt you would have much trouble getting a good one to work with your mink.....I've never seen it done.... but hell... that doesn't mean they couldn't be or that you shouldn't try. I've seen them do some pretty amazing things.

[Ggib 370]

Mosby , I'd find it hard to believe that the jagd is better than the rest, without doubt Britain and Ireland gave the best earth dogs and strong terriers in the world, but get the tools you need to do the job you have to do. The mink work you do sounds good but over here the mink are a nuisance and get hunted and most dogs unless brought up with them would kill them, also mine would do the same to ferrets too. Good luck what ever you choose mate. P.s this is for minkenry.

Edited September 21, 2014 by Ggib

[jawn 449]

I know Mosby well and in my opinion he wasn't necessarily saying that they were any "better" unless your needs call for that type of terrier. Speaking for myself better usually comes down to your needs/expectations and is best judged on a dog by dog basis. Sounded more like he was saying that they were different... that's all, and why shouldn't they be. They are bred by and for people that expect them to be.

[Ggib 370]

I know Mosby well and in my opinion he wasn't necessarily saying that they were any "better" unless your needs call for that type of terrier. Speaking for myself better usually comes down to your needs/expectations and is best judged on a dog by dog basis. Sounded more like he was saying that they were different... that's all, and why shouldn't they be. They are bred by and for people that expect them to be.

jawn as long as our dogs please us and account for the quarry hunted then, that's what counts, no matter the breed. If it's not broken it don't need fixed. With us over here hunting in the 90s we used what was available to us, mainly bow legged Russell's even from street dogs and we had some fun in those days cutting our teeth in the hunting game. Innocent times indeed when you could hunt anywhere without looking over your shoulder constantly. Que the last of the summer wine music lol

[jawn 449]

I would like little more than to see you able to enjoy that life again right there at home. It's almost surreal when I think about what the Anti's have done in that part of the world.

[ivebeen 176]

Sounds like you need a sighthound to work with the mink.

Would love to bring my whippets down sometime to catch bolted critters with ya!

[Mosby 355]

Definitely not saying the jagds are better but they are very different. What you are seeing in the isles is that you're using the dogs for the same jobs, not necessarily that they work the same. Every breed I e used has been different from each other. They excel in one area and lack in another. Were I doing only ground work, I'd have a dog from the isles. Were I doing brush work, I'd have a Jagd. If I were doing a bit of both with the dog, both can do it but the Jagd would be my choice. If I were using a dog with a mink, it wouldn't be any sort of terrier. As for earthwork, I've seen many types that would do it and no, they didn't work alike. The job is the same but dogs work different. There are people who only want bolts. Their dog will not be like the man's who only wants to dig. I don't like bolts for the most part because my holes are at water's edge. Bolts mean I lose the game and if its a coon that bolts, you lose a dog. But, I'm lucky enough to live in a state with almost every type of terrier work you can think of, save hog hunting. So I get to see a lot of different styles from my own dogs.

[Tracy Priestnall 83]

 

jagd are all-rounders, many patterdales are versitile but the backbone of the patterdale are digging dogs, the real old black stuff were hardcore staying dogs. a good russell, or a decent fell terrier will match any jagd for the title of the complete terrier, borders shouldnt be under-rated either.

 

i dont think the breed matters as much as the dog itself, you could find a decent dog in any working strain of terrier.

i dont see breaking a pup to ferret, hawk or mink as a problem...but obviously you couldnt hunt mink

 

kev-medlock crew

[jawn 449]

Good post.... I would be inclined to agree for the most part. But I would have to see it with my own eyes. If it were so easy to breed dogs.... none of them would fail. Here in the real world they do.... and it might be a good idea to KNOW what is expected of a good jagdterrier before expecting another terrier to be able to do the job. 100 years of breeding for difference is likely to have had some results.

[steamingutpiles 117]

You can find a needle in a haystack too.....it just takes a while. No terrier can be everything to everyone. As a general proposition, as far as versatile hunting terriers go, well bred Jagdterriers are pretty hard to beat. As far as specialist hole dogs go, the purpose bred British breeds probably have the edge. Comparing them to each other is like comparing apples to oranges.

[GAMEDOG 106]

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Edited January 28, 2022 by GAMEDOG