Scottish

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

Lab mate if the Shetland and oakneys decide to remain part of our union or fool of back to Norway where the fook is Scotland going to get revenue from??? Whiskey?? Scotland has a good thing with benefits! The problem with Scotland is it's pious bitter amoungst, stirring the rest with tales of English cruelty etc and the promised land awaits those who vote yes. What happens when it all goes proper tits up and salmond and the rest have fuucked off to Israel with their money??? I'm all for each having a devolved local gov representing but I'll be fuucked if I agree with tearing apart the greatest union ever seen in history just coz some slimey politician wants his name in history and money in his pockets!

I wish I could copy and paste some stuff. The oil is a bonus.....a f***ing big bonus may I add.

So let's say we stay together mate...when the oil runs out we must be pretty f****d then. Or atleast struggling?

Cause if we can't do it alone then how will a UK manage without oil?

No brainier....we would. By all our other resources.

Mate if the shetlands and the oakneys decide to remain in the UK then that oil ain't Scotland no matter how much wee eck tells you it is Joe you ain't worth any more breath you regurgitate political shite like a piss up Brian may x

I can only go on what I read mate. Again I'll say we are not just a country relying on oil...it's a bonus.

I'm not sure why Joe deserves the abuse he gets on here either. You can only put your point across before some calls you a liar and then you have to copy and paste stuff. In fact yer lucky a canny dae it on ma phone....lol

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Joe, watch this scots lad he spot on .... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnk_7gOFRIY&list=UUweSfQq9lsB_HHL8yJ07y-w&feature=player_detailpage

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Joe i know you like your vids bit like me ..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzP5E5l7MoY&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUweSfQq9lsB_HHL8yJ07y-w

[Joe1888 672]

Joe I could post vids saying the opposite but instead I'll go with what the worlds global economy believes and that is Moodys evaluation love so crack on

 

I asked a question on the salmond q & a, there was many questions, he run out of time and didnt answer himself but the snp did later

 

 

Hi, Joe. Thanks for your question. Glad to hear you're voting Yes!

 

Standard and Poor's and Moody's are among the many experts to recognise Scotland's tremendous wealth. Standard and Poor’s says: “Even excluding North Sea output Scotland would qualify for our highest economic assessment.” The ratings agency Moody’s says: “all possible outcomes point to Scotland being among the wealthiest sovereigns in the world.”

 

Scotland is one of the wealthiest countries in the world – richer, per head, than Japan, France and the UK. That means we can choose independence with confidence.

Edited September 9, 2014 by Joe1888

[nothernlite 18,089]

Lol tommy Sheridan for king of Scotland

[Brigzy 1,298]

Brigzy I always thought there were around 380 in the Big House ?

How could anyone protect Prince Andrew whilst flying choppers in the Falklands Conflict

He could of been shot out the Sky at any moment

Harry's been to Afghan while Bliars Spawn are in Banking learning the ropes on how to Rob folk

I know who I'd rather be running the show

And it ain't no Politician

They couldn't lie strait in Bed

No mate, there are 650 MPs and at least 1000 Lords,either hereditary or life peers.

 

I respect both Andrew and Harry for there military service, but they would most certainly not have been put in harms way simply because of the propaganda value to the enemy.

 

Probably the last royal to see real active service, and he wasn't one of our royals at the time, was Phillip, when he was in the Royal Navy during the Second World War.

 

The only members of the immediate royal family who deserve to wear medals are Philip, Andrew and Harry, who have actually served in combat zones. The likes of Charles and Edward only have medals their mother and foreign governments have given them.

[RossM 8,121]

 

 

Lab mate if the Shetland and oakneys decide to remain part of our union or fool of back to Norway where the fook is Scotland going to get revenue from??? Whiskey?? Scotland has a good thing with benefits! The problem with Scotland is it's pious bitter amoungst, stirring the rest with tales of English cruelty etc and the promised land awaits those who vote yes. What happens when it all goes proper tits up and salmond and the rest have fuucked off to Israel with their money??? I'm all for each having a devolved local gov representing but I'll be fuucked if I agree with tearing apart the greatest union ever seen in history just coz some slimey politician wants his name in history and money in his pockets!

I wish I could copy and paste some stuff. The oil is a bonus.....a f***ing big bonus may I add.

So let's say we stay together mate...when the oil runs out we must be pretty f****d then. Or atleast struggling?

Cause if we can't do it alone then how will a UK manage without oil?

No brainier....we would. By all our other resources.

Mate if the shetlands and the oakneys decide to remain in the UK then that oil ain't Scotland no matter how much wee eck tells you it is Joe you ain't worth any more breath you regurgitate political shite like a piss up Brian may x

Bit harsh with the name calling.....

[nothernlite 18,089]

He would def line his own Pockets lol

swinging would be legal lol and many other things beat salmond any day

[Joe1888 672]

who was the scottish voter saying vote ukip.... i laughed at the england fans signing last night, how could any anyone vote for these fuckers..

[Joe1888 672]

And talking about Nobel prize winners, here's Paul Krugman's opinion;

 

 

Well, I have a message for the Scots: Be afraid, be very afraid. The risks of going it alone are huge. You may think that Scotland can become another Canada, but it’s all too likely that it would end up becoming Spain without the sunshine.

 

In short, everything that has happened in Europe since 2009 or so has demonstrated that sharing a currency without sharing a government is very dangerous. In economics jargon, fiscal and banking integration are essential elements of an optimum currency area. And an independent Scotland using Britain’s pound would be in even worse shape than euro countries, which at least have some say in how the European Central Bank is run.

 

I find it mind-boggling that Scotland would consider going down this path after all that has happened in the last few years. If Scottish voters really believe that it’s safe to become a country without a currency, they have been badly misled.

 

So a Nobel Laureate that backs the Chancellors decision......

 

 

i was having a search about the night, thought this was a good read about his comments and comparison.. feel free to ignore if you wish

 

 

 

Respected economist Paul Krugman, a vociferous opponent of austerity, has turned his attention to the Scottish independence debate. With less than two weeks to the vote, and with considerations over the economy at the forefront of the argument, there’s no doubt that his voice will be taken as an authoritative intervention. It’s a shame, then, that his brief analysis has a glaring hole in the middle: the UK’s trade deficit.

Krugman thinks that Scots should “be afraid”, reckoning that, without its own currency, an independent Scotland would be like Spain inside the euro. Spain’s housing bubble blew up early on in the crisis but, with a government unable to issue its own currency, it could do little to soften the impact. The housing bust turned into a fiscal crisis, dragging Spain into a slump.

But this is to miss the core feature of the eurozone crisis – one that applies not just to Spain, but all those southern European countries hardest hit by the slump. Stuck inside the euro, with their exchange rates effectively fixed on entry, they ran huge current account deficits – they imported more than they exported inside the eurozone, mostly from Germany. During the good times, this was fine; the gap between imports and exports was covered, in effect, by borrowing from eurozone banks, notably French and German. When the crash came, that lending dried up and, as it did so, the slump followed in train. (You can read more on this argument here.)

The critical element in the eurozone crisis is the international imbalance – that some countries had persistent current account deficits, and some had persistent surpluses. These, in turned, fuelled the debt bubble, and then helped cause the eventual crash. It’s a little odd for Krugman to miss this international dimension, not least because he won his Nobel Prize in part for his work on international trade.

But the international dimension is central to the UK story, too. As I blogged last week, and as Robert Peston confirms today on the BBC blog, the UK runs a persistent current account imbalance. Year in, year out, we import more than we export, and we have done for decades. (We’ve had deficit on trade in goods trade every single year since 1983!) Last year, the current account deficit hit 4.4% of GDP. This has caused us fewer problems than might be expected because we have relied on our financial system to mobilise borrowing from the rest of the world. The UK now has an external debt second only to the USA, at 406% of GDP.

However, that current account deficit is there even with North Sea oil. Oil is still an enormous export earner – accounting for £39.3bn of sales overseas last year. If Scotland takes its geographical share of North Sea resources, the UK will lose almost all of that revenue. Without North Sea oil, our current account deficit would have leapt from 4.4% of GDP, to 6.9%.

It is one thing to run 3-4% current account deficit, year after year, and expect to borrow to pay for it. But a near-7% deficit is another thing entirely. Either the pound has to fall in value, so we cut imports and sell more abroad, or we (as Peston suggests) start selling off overseas assets, or interest rates have to go up. Under these circumstances, it would be hugely to the remaining UK’s advantage to conclude a formal currency union with an independent Scotland as rapidly as possible. This need not be a long-term agreement; Krugman is right, over the longer term, that an independent country needs an independent currency. But it would do for now.

It’s uncertainty over the future, and knowledge of the UK’s parlous position, that is giving financial markets their ongoing jitters. If Whitehall wanted to end them, it could do so immediately, by making clear its plans for how a post-independence currency union might work and offering some proposals. Nicholas Macpherson, head civil servant at the Treasury, has admitted that “contingency plans about contingency plans” are being drawn up. But that sensible option appears to have been ruled out in the interests of political positioning.

We can return to Krugman’s analogy. It isn’t Scotland that’s like Spain. With its gaping trade deficit and its housing bubble, it’s the UK.

 

Edited September 9, 2014 by Joe1888

[Blooded 62]

I hope you vote yes you all act as if england is holding you back while in reality we don't even have our own parliament.

 

[Chr15j 59]

Let's look at FACTS:

 

1) Westminster has repeatedly stated that an independent Scotland will lose the GBP

2) the Yes campaign had not confirmed it's currency (bearing in mind GBP is not on the table)

3) any Scottish students in UK will be FOREIGNERS and thus will pay more for UK education at ALL levels

4) Scotland will need to establish a new higher courts system and recruit judges, clerks etc

5) Scotland will have no Army/Airforce/Navy (representing loss of jobs and related local economy)

6) Scotland claims it will walk away from uk debt liabilities, this will be frowned upon by potential investors and push up cost of borrowing

7) shares will tumble in Scottish companies

increased bureaucracy for trading with uk (as it will be a non eu country to start with) will increase cost of trade with uk (even after an eu country

[WILF 47,353]

I think what most right minded folk find so frustrating is that they can't believe people are actually going to vote for such a half cocked shambles !!

 

If I was a jock I would be getting my money out now and putting it in a UK or Irish Bank cause there's a better than even chance it will be worth f**k all the day after the vote

Edited September 10, 2014 by WILF

[Lab 10,979]

I think what most right minded folk find so frustrating is that they can't believe people are actually going to vote for such a half cocked shambles !!

So what your saying is over half the population of Scotland are not in there right mind. Some statement that mate.

[WILF 47,353]

As I said before, they are voting for an idea not a well thought out plan mate