Scottish

[Joe1888 672]

 

scotland voted for more power before, but were cheated out it by rules put in place... now. probaly the biggest even numbers will vote, for a reason..

 

since theres been many years of labour and torys that have led to now, if we were truly better together then we wouldnt be having this vote

 

its time to forgot trying to be a world player, shadowing the usa, being there puppet.. time to put the country/people first

 

its now clear, the only be we can do that, is by voting yes..

 

You cannot draw that conclusion as you do not KNOW and have no experience of being fully independant. You'll be able to make that judgement 20, 30, 40, 50 years after independance. Good luck...

 

 

 

how many countries have won indy and asked to rejoin, we are a skilled people with the bonus of good resources

[Joe1888 672]

http://www.scotlandnow.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/independent-scotland-need-24000-immigrants-3620365

 

Mik, Lab, Joe, here you go.

 

I asked Joe way back, where are these immigrants going to come from ? Probably the same shitholes that are flooding Britain now !

 

 

about 1;45 into it

 

Edited September 8, 2014 by Joe1888

[Lab 10,979]

Scotland has been told it can't keep the Pound

CANT keep the pound

This means you's have no credit rat wing on the

World stage

Interest rates across the board are going to be

MASSIVE

For Mortgages' Loans of any kind

 

Do you's really know the Direction your taking Scotland in ?

 

Or is it BLIND faith In Salmond ?

 

MASS Islamic immigration

 

Lowering wages

 

Pileing pressure on

 

Housing driving up costs

 

Hospital services at breaking point

 

School children Suffering because schools are

Overflowing with Immigrant Children

 

Outbreed in your own Nation within 20 years

 

Is all that really worth it to get one over on the

English ?

 

Remember this is FOREVER

 

No turning back

 

Vote Carefuly Folks

See this is the problem....Some English people think this is all about 'getting one over on the English"......how f***ing arrogant. We're not trying to leave England...it's Britain we are trying to become independent with.

Where are you reading 'mass Islamic immigration' about Max? I've watched a few televised debates now and the main talking points debated were oil and currency. Do you not think for one minute if it was Scotland's aim to flood our country with immigrants that might have been a good starting point for the Better Together campaign? So why didn't they....cause it's nonsense.

[steve66 3,488]

Well i asked one scot and he wasnt happy

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7RIgs3eygo

[Joe1888 672]

Well i asked one scot and he wasnt happy

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7RIgs3eygo

LOL

[Joe1888 672]

Those resources will be swallowed up tenfold trying to establish a credit rateing when Scotland has to start from scratch it's own Currencey

When it has to prop up and establish its own

NHS

Police Force

Armed Forces

University's

Schools

Rail Network

Road Networks

 

Mortgages and Loans will rocket overnight

 

Can 5 million people and not all of them

Taxpayers REALLY prop up ALL of the above ?

 

It's like playing Russian Roulett

 

And Oil is gone in 50 years then what

 

Independance is going to loose Scotland's Fishing Industry mega overnight because of added red tape ' Legislation and not having the strength of the Pound in world markets

 

Salmond is the Pied Piper of and you's are following him into Trouble.

 

For What ?

 

 

Scare stories done work any more, even though keep telling them here and down south. Heres another example

 

 

The No Campaign recently sent out a communication advising that Supermarkets would put up their prices by 16% in an independent Scotland. So we asked the supermarkets themselves.

First Up – TESCO

FAO:

Tesco Customer Services

To whom it may concern;

I received a communication recently which said that tesco intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.

Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.

Their response:

Thanks for your email today.

I am very sorry you are getting misinforming leaflets through your door.

I can confirm that Tesco will not increase their prices by 16% if Scotland leaves the UK.

We’ve got a great business in Scotland and our job is to create the best offer for customers whatever the outcome of the referendum.

Hope this clears the confusion up!

Next Up – Asda

To whom it may concern;

I received a communication recently which said that Asda intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.

Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.

Their Response:

Thank you for contacting us regarding information you have received regarding a possible price increase within our stores pending the outcome of Scottish Independence.

I can advise you that, as an Everyday Low Cost Company we would always strive to keep our prices as low as possible for the customer. We are unaware of any plans to implement this increase as stated in the leaflet you received.

Next Up Morrisons

To whom it may concern;

I received a communication recently which said that Morrisons intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.

Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.

Their Response

(which was brutally honest and made us giggle – Although we suspect the member of staff may get into hot water for this response):

Thank you for contacting us regarding the leaflet you received. We have received similar enquiries regarding this particular correspondence from one of the campaigns in the Scottish Referendum.

As a company Morrisons have a thriving and loyal customer base and we work hard to try and keep those customers satisfied. We base our pricing on the retail MARKET and not on political decisions. We strive to offer customers in Scotland the best service we can.

As far as we are aware the increased cost in Ireland is due to a number of factors, the major one being the higher cost of distribution. Morrisons currently have in place a full distribution network within the current UK which would remain in place in the event of a Yes Vote. The only way we could envisage an increased cost for Scotland is if the Scottish Government were to push Scotland’s land mass away from the rest of the UK and into the North Sea.

Finally, we spoke with Sainsbury’s

To whom it may concern;

I received a communication recently which said that Sainsbury’s intends to increase its prices by 16% in the event that Scotland decides to vote for independence.

Can you please confirm by email if this is, or isn’t the case/truth.

Their Response

We are unaware of any plans to implement a price increase should Scotland choose to become Independent.

Edited September 8, 2014 by Joe1888

[Born Hunter 17,783]

Well it certainly doesn't feel like that. I don't think we get our fair share. And that is the real reason Westminster wants to keep us.

It's funny cause you read loads of stuff, for and against and most of what people write contradict each other arguments.

For example....We need to stay together and fight as one and have a large army that will defend us in wars.......ermmm we don't want to go to war!! Infact all I read is Bring the Troops home ( which I agree with by the way). So that doesn't make sense.

 

And your right mate I don't want to be known as British....just like I'm not Irish, Australian or Japanese. I'm Scottish and proud of that, very proud. Does that make me wrong.??

 

 

Of course it doesn't make you wrong. You think I'm not proud to be English? You think I'm not even more proud to be British though? I'll be gutted to loose the Scots in the Union, and not for monetary gain, but if that's what your countrymen want then I'll be glad to see you go because I want unity and not this bullshit fracture in our Union.

 

Staying together doesn't just make us strong militarily but it is a fact it's one thing that is a clear benefit. I'm proud of our military, everyone knows that, it's the backbone of our country and democracy, it's served us well in the past. If you just want a handful of troops purely for defence of your sovereign territory then that's fine but I see the value in having a military capable of acting in national interests anywhere in the world, often defence requires action beyond the shores of our country, The British Military has that capability and will keep it, the SDF wont. And don't think you will go on forever without a conflict of interest with a foreign nation, this is the real world goverened by politicians, it'll happen! Then you'll be resigned to purely defensive actions or manipulating the situation into a threat to the UK and the UK taking offensive action for it's own interests.

 

Talking about the army, interesting to see the Scots Guards wont be getting a vote...

[Born Hunter 17,783]

 

 

scotland voted for more power before, but were cheated out it by rules put in place... now. probaly the biggest even numbers will vote, for a reason..

 

since theres been many years of labour and torys that have led to now, if we were truly better together then we wouldnt be having this vote

 

its time to forgot trying to be a world player, shadowing the usa, being there puppet.. time to put the country/people first

 

its now clear, the only be we can do that, is by voting yes..

 

You cannot draw that conclusion as you do not KNOW and have no experience of being fully independant. You'll be able to make that judgement 20, 30, 40, 50 years after independance. Good luck...

 

 

 

how many countries have won indy and asked to rejoin, we are a skilled people with the bonus of good resources

 

 

I don't care.... you still can't draw that judgement....

[Joe1888 672]

 

Well it certainly doesn't feel like that. I don't think we get our fair share. And that is the real reason Westminster wants to keep us.

It's funny cause you read loads of stuff, for and against and most of what people write contradict each other arguments.

For example....We need to stay together and fight as one and have a large army that will defend us in wars.......ermmm we don't want to go to war!! Infact all I read is Bring the Troops home ( which I agree with by the way). So that doesn't make sense.

 

And your right mate I don't want to be known as British....just like I'm not Irish, Australian or Japanese. I'm Scottish and proud of that, very proud. Does that make me wrong.??

 

 

Of course it doesn't make you wrong. You think I'm not proud to be English? You think I'm not even more proud to be British though? I'll be gutted to loose the Scots in the Union, and not for monetary gain, but if that's what your countrymen want then I'll be glad to see you go because I want unity and not this bullshit fracture in our Union.

 

Staying together doesn't just make us strong militarily but it is a fact it's one thing that is a clear benefit. I'm proud of our military, everyone knows that, it's the backbone of our country and democracy, it's served us well in the past. If you just want a handful of troops purely for defence of your sovereign territory then that's fine but I see the value in having a military capable of acting in national interests anywhere in the world, often defence requires action beyond the shores of our country, The British Military has that capability and will keep it, the SDF wont. And don't think you will go on forever without a conflict of interest with a foreign nation, this is the real world goverened by politicians, it'll happen! Then you'll be resigned to purely defensive actions or manipulating the situation into a threat to the UK and the UK taking offensive action for it's own interests.

 

Talking about the army, interesting to see the Scots Guards wont be getting a vote...

 

 

 

i know of a few scots and english soldiers voting yes..

 

heres some vets thoughts

 

[Joe1888 672]

 

 

 

scotland voted for more power before, but were cheated out it by rules put in place... now. probaly the biggest even numbers will vote, for a reason..

 

since theres been many years of labour and torys that have led to now, if we were truly better together then we wouldnt be having this vote

 

its time to forgot trying to be a world player, shadowing the usa, being there puppet.. time to put the country/people first

 

its now clear, the only be we can do that, is by voting yes..

 

You cannot draw that conclusion as you do not KNOW and have no experience of being fully independant. You'll be able to make that judgement 20, 30, 40, 50 years after independance. Good luck...

 

 

 

how many countries have won indy and asked to rejoin, we are a skilled people with the bonus of good resources

 

 

I don't care.... you still can't draw that judgement....

 

 

 

None!!

 

Does scotland have what it takes to do well, yes... All of the "big" names agree, even david cameron

[Born Hunter 17,783]

 

 

None!!

 

Does scotland have what it takes to do well, yes... All of the "big" names agree, even david cameron

 

 

I know..... where have I said you won't do alright? But better than we will together? NAH....... The entire point in the Union is to give us strength and stability! Economically, politically and militarily!

[Brigzy 1,298]

Joe, almost one quarter of working Scots work in the public sector, will an independent Scotland be able to afford the wages and pensions of this wholly disproportionate workforce, or will cuts have to be made ?

[Joe1888 672]

 

 

 

None!!

 

Does scotland have what it takes to do well, yes... All of the "big" names agree, even david cameron

 

 

I know..... where have I said you won't do alright? But better than we will together? NAH....... The entire point in the Union is to give us strength and stability! Economically, politically and militarily!

 

 

we wont have as big army and nucs, thats it... i can sleep at night with a yes vote

[Born Hunter 17,783]

Not all Scots Guards are Scottish in Fairness

 

A mate of mine from East Durham served in the

Regiment during the late 80's

 

He was a Piper

 

They were lads from Boro

 

Manchester ' North East and Liverpool serving with him amongst the Scots.

 

Why can't they vote BH ?

 

If they Scottish born and bred they should get the vote imho

 

They're based at Catterick, so south of the border....

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11061685/Scotlands-brave-soldiers-denied-a-say-in-the-country-they-defend.html

 

The first postal ballots to decide Britain’s 300-year Union are being delivered to homes across Scotland. Some of those voting will have ancestors who arrived on these Isles on a longboat. Some will have family who arrived more recently from the European Union or the Commonwealth. Some will be students, resident for only a few years. Others will stay for generations. Some will even be English. But one group that won’t be voting is the Scots Guards.

 

For a regiment that has seen sons follow fathers, uncles, grandfathers and great-grandfathers to the colours, that may be surprising. But it’s not for lack of interest in the referendum from the soldiers. They are based outside Scotland – in Catterick – and so have been disenfranchised. Unlike 16-year-olds – who are too young to drive, smoke, or vote for a Member of Parliament – soldiers, sailors and airmen and women who have voluntarily put their lives at risk for the benefit of our nation are now denied a say in its future. This seems an odd decision for any land, but for one with such a proud military tradition as Scotland, it is positively perverse.

 

The guardsmen lost their vote because they left home to serve, to fight, and perhaps to die, in defence of our country.

[Born Hunter 17,783]

 

 

 

 

None!!

 

Does scotland have what it takes to do well, yes... All of the "big" names agree, even david cameron

 

 

I know..... where have I said you won't do alright? But better than we will together? NAH....... The entire point in the Union is to give us strength and stability! Economically, politically and militarily!

 

 

we wont have as big army and nucs, thats it... i can sleep at night with a yes vote

 

 

Bollocks, in purely military terms you'll be f***ing gelded! In economic terms you have less stability being smaller. In political terms you have less strength and say on international matters "so what, we don't care about international matters! We're Scottish!" oh alright, you crack on like that and see how far it gets you.

 

Don't think I'm just putting you Northern fuckers down either, the UK ain't gonna fair any better of it. We'll BOTH do fine, but I don't like 'fine'!