Joe1888 672 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) Not heard it, driving for Chinese the now..Ahh, thrown you into a bit of a quandary, has it ? Stillars has spoken out of party line and said what the SNP really think. This is not what the Scottish people who may vote for independence are being told. Is it true that Salmond was once a Communist, and thrown out of the SNP because of his radical views ? Well, yes, of course he was, but he has spent his life getting back into power with the SNP and, dear God, if he becomes the leader of an independent Scotland he will quickly revert back to type ! i really dont know what your on about, ill have a look in abit. what would happen if scotland voted for a labour party of old or any other party than the snp?? as you know by now, a yes vote isnt a the party, that vote would be in 2016.. atb mate Labour or any other party isn't pushing for independence, just the opposite ! The SNP is the only party in Scotland fighting for independence, and they aren't telling the Scottish people the truth. Jim Stillars is a spokesman for the SNP , and he went way of message by saying they would nationalise or partially nationalise BP and there would be consequences for firms and companies that expressed doubts about Scottish independence. Does he speak for all Scots who may vote yes ? Or have they not been told the truth about the SNPs plans for Scotland in the event of a yes vote ? google labour for indy, many believe labour in iscotland will return to the party of old.. he doesnt speak just for snp... are you refering to this A YES VOTE ON 18/9/14 ISNT FOR SNP OR ANY OTHER PARTY, IT IS FOR INDEPENDENCE, 2016 WILL BE FOR THE GOVERNMENT WE WANT. Edited September 13, 2014 by Joe1888 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) Stabba, agree mate - in the right hands they should make good dogs Bosun - thanks Not heard it, driving for Chinese the now..Ahh, thrown you into a bit of a quandary, has it ? Stillars has spoken out of party line and said what the SNP really think. This is not what the Scottish people who may vote for independence are being told. Is it true that Salmond was once a Communist, and thrown out of the SNP because of his radical views ? Well, yes, of course he was, but he has spent his life getting back into power with the SNP and, dear God, if he becomes the leader of an independent Scotland he will quickly revert back to type !i really dont know what your on about, ill have a look in abit. what would happen if scotland voted for a labour party of old or any other party than the snp?? as you know by now, a yes vote isnt a the party, that vote would be in 2016.. atb mateLabour or any other party isn't pushing for independence, just the opposite ! The SNP is the only party in Scotland fighting for independence, and they aren't telling the Scottish people the truth. Jim Stillars is a spokesman for the SNP , and he went way of message by saying they would nationalise or partially nationalise BP and there would be consequences for firms and companies that expressed doubts about Scottish independence. Does he speak for all Scots who may vote yes ? Or have they not been told the truth about the SNPs plans for Scotland in the event of a yes vote ?google labour for indy, many believe labour in iscotland will return to the party of old..hes speaks for YES ffsare you refering to thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WWtRmSJFLsA YES VOTE ON 18/9/14 ISNT FOR SNP OR ANY OTHER PARTY, IT IS FOR INDEPENDENCE, 2016 WILL BE FOR THE GOVERNMENT WE WANT. Joe, once again a cut and paste. What's YOUR view on what he said........ Would YOU nationalise BP, would YOU punish any firm or company that raised doubts about Scottish independence ? Edited September 13, 2014 by Brigzy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) Not heard it, driving for Chinese the now..Ahh, thrown you into a bit of a quandary, has it ? Stillars has spoken out of party line and said what the SNP really think. This is not what the Scottish people who may vote for independence are being told. Is it true that Salmond was once a Communist, and thrown out of the SNP because of his radical views ? Well, yes, of course he was, but he has spent his life getting back into power with the SNP and, dear God, if he becomes the leader of an independent Scotland he will quickly revert back to type ! i really dont know what your on about, ill have a look in abit. what would happen if scotland voted for a labour party of old or any other party than the snp?? as you know by now, a yes vote isnt a the party, that vote would be in 2016.. atb mate Labour or any other party isn't pushing for independence, just the opposite ! The SNP is the only party in Scotland fighting for independence, and they aren't telling the Scottish people the truth. Jim Stillars is a spokesman for the SNP , and he went way of message by saying they would nationalise or partially nationalise BP and there would be consequences for firms and companies that expressed doubts about Scottish independence. Does he speak for all Scots who may vote yes ? Or have they not been told the truth about the SNPs plans for Scotland in the event of a yes vote ? google labour for indy, many believe labour in iscotland will return to the party of old..hes speaks for YES ffsare you refering to thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WWtRmSJFLsA YES VOTE ON 18/9/14 ISNT FOR SNP OR ANY OTHER PARTY, IT IS FOR INDEPENDENCE, 2016 WILL BE FOR THE GOVERNMENT WE WANT. Joe, once again a cut and paste. What's YOUR view on what he said........ Would YOU nationalise BP, would YOU punish any firm or country that raised doubts about Scottish independence ? cut and paste... if your refering to the vid i posted( one i think yoru on about ) i agree with sillars Edited September 13, 2014 by Joe1888 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joe1888 672 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) heres a proper copy and paste... since i dont do it all the time ill reply here on the 19th Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK's population. 8.3%! Remember this important figure... 8.3% But we DO have... 32% of the land area. 61% of the sea area. 90% of the fresh water. 65% of the natural gas production. 96.5% of the crude oil production. 47% of the open cast coal production 81% of the untapped coal reserves 62% of the timber production 46% of the total forest area 92% of the hydro electric production 40% of the wind wave and solar energy production 60% of the fish landings 30% of the beef herd 20% of the sheep herd 9% of the dairy herd 10% of the pig herd 15% if the cereal holdings 20% of the potato holdings ...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whiskey industry. We have a... 17 billion pound construction industry 13 billion food and drink industry 10 billion business services industry 9.3 billion chemical services industry A 9.3 billion tourism industry 7 billion financial services industry 5 billion aeroservice industry 4.5 billion pound whiskey exports industry 3.1 billion pound life sciences industry Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports We have 25% of Europes wave and wind energy potential. And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 trillion pound worth of oil and gas reserves. All of this, yet only 8.3% of The UK's population... Whaow Scotland should be rich! IGNORANCE... If you hear anyone saying "I DONT LIKE ALEX SALMOND" or "I DONT LIKE SNP"... THIS VOTE IS ABOUT SCOTLAND'S RIGHT TO ELECT ITS OWN GOVERNMENT... IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ALEX SALMOND OR THE SNP. DONT LET POLITICAL IGNORANCE RUIN THIS OPPORTUNITY. Do you know... This is the UK's legacy of success in our history of being better-together is as follows... The UK has the 3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world The UK has the single most expensive childcare in the European Union The UK has the second lowest-paid economy in the entire developed world The UK has the 3rd longest working hours in the EU The UK has the lowest number of holidays in the EU The UK has the 8th highest gender inequality pay gap out of the EU's 28 countries The UK has the highest likelihood of poverty in disablement in the EU The UK has the highest rail prices in Europe The UK has the second highest housing cost in Europe The UK has the highest fuel poverty rates in Europe. The UK is the 4th highest country of wealth inequality in the entire planet! But surely these awful figures cannot be possible when you read the following Scottish statistics... So we have no democracy here!!! 4 decades of tory rule that we voted against is proof enough, and our defiance was punished by the closure of all the mines; closure of all the steelworks; closure of all the shipyards losing hundreds if thousands of jobs. The term used by Westminster's Thatcher when these industries needed some assistance was "let the markets decide". Funny how when the greedy bankers collapsed everywhere they were bailed out to the tune of over a trillion pounds of our money... Not a mention of "let the markets decide". FACTS: Fact: Scotland has an oil boom waiting to happen on the West Coast, but Michael Hesaltine signed a cessation of any form of oil exploration in the entire area in the 80's to make way for nuclear submarines which Scotland doesn't want! Fact: Scotland has shown its revulsion time and time again to nuclear weapons but they place them here against our countries wishes. A recent contingency report was carried out a out the feasibility of relocating them in Portsmouth. The report stated that it was unfeasible because the detrimental risk to the area of an incident was too high. (Ok for the Clyde though) Fact: Scotland, with only 1 Tory MP, was forced to take the shocking attack on the poor & disabled called The Bedroom Tax, even though as our nations government, Holyrood voted to utterly reject this awful tax on the poor. Westminster gave us it anyway! Fact: We are led to believe that the oil in our waters is finished and its a dying industry. Yet 13.5 billion has been invested by oil companies in the last 2 years alone! Fact: The Clair Oil Field is about to open, and on its own has over 650 million barrels which will be extracted over 20+ years with production reaching a hundred thousand barrels a day! Fact: Scotland gives more to Westminster than it gets back. Do you really think they'd be so keen to keep us if we were being subsidised like they'd have us believe? Fact: Westminster has amassed over £1.3 trillion debt and still growing at nearly £6000 a second. Thats another £516 million today alone which YOU will have to pay for. Fact: Of the 178 countries that have gained their own independence across this planet, not one single one of them has ever asked to reverse this independence, and very few of them have the assets we have. Edited September 13, 2014 by Joe1888 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Not heard it, driving for Chinese the now..Ahh, thrown you into a bit of a quandary, has it ? Stillars has spoken out of party line and said what the SNP really think. This is not what the Scottish people who may vote for independence are being told. Is it true that Salmond was once a Communist, and thrown out of the SNP because of his radical views ? Well, yes, of course he was, but he has spent his life getting back into power with the SNP and, dear God, if he becomes the leader of an independent Scotland he will quickly revert back to type !i really dont know what your on about, ill have a look in abit. what would happen if scotland voted for a labour party of old or any other party than the snp?? as you know by now, a yes vote isnt a the party, that vote would be in 2016.. atb mateLabour or any other party isn't pushing for independence, just the opposite ! The SNP is the only party in Scotland fighting for independence, and they aren't telling the Scottish people the truth. Jim Stillars is a spokesman for the SNP , and he went way of message by saying they would nationalise or partially nationalise BP and there would be consequences for firms and companies that expressed doubts about Scottish independence. Does he speak for all Scots who may vote yes ? Or have they not been told the truth about the SNPs plans for Scotland in the event of a yes vote ?google labour for indy, many believe labour in iscotland will return to the party of old..hes speaks for YES ffsare you refering to thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WWtRmSJFLsA YES VOTE ON 18/9/14 ISNT FOR SNP OR ANY OTHER PARTY, IT IS FOR INDEPENDENCE, 2016 WILL BE FOR THE GOVERNMENT WE WANT.Joe, once again a cut and paste. What's YOUR view on what he said........ Would YOU nationalise BP, would YOU punish any firm or country that raised doubts about Scottish independence ?cut and paste...if your refering to the vid i posted( one i think yoru on about ) i agree with sillars Joe, I can't hear the vid you posted, don't twist and turn, answer my question, he said an independent Scotland would nationalise or partially nationalise B P and there would be consequences for any firm or company that questioned Scottish independence...... Do you agree with that ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
shealy1 71 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Nice one joe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Joe, are you a politician, do you work for the SNP ? The reason I ask this is, there are ALLWAYS pros and cons to any situation, yet you ALLWAYS put forward the pros and deride or deny any cons. Do you not have ANY little niggling doubts in your mind about uncertainties like currency, immigration, taxation, welfare, the EU ? Are you 100% sure it will be all milk and honey if Salmond gets his way ? Surely you can't believe EVERYTHING Salmond says, even if you passionately believe in independence ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chr15j 59 Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) Joe, do you possess a single independent thought? Just one? Perhaps it's just your brain that requires independence? Edited September 13, 2014 by Chr15j 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C556 351 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) I'm sure this isn't the case with the nationalists on here, but I've spoken to a good number of the yessirs, and the impression I get is that they tend to be on the thicker and more gullible side, as we as being a bit 'loud' in expressing their opinions. Maybe I've just been speaking to the wrong people Edited September 14, 2014 by C556 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
C556 351 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) heres a proper copy and paste... since i dont do it all the time ill reply here on the 19th Scotland has only 8.3% of the UK's population. 8.3%! Remember this important figure... 8.3% But we DO have... 32% of the land area. 61% of the sea area. 90% of the fresh water. 65% of the natural gas production. 96.5% of the crude oil production. 47% of the open cast coal production 81% of the untapped coal reserves 62% of the timber production 46% of the total forest area 92% of the hydro electric production 40% of the wind wave and solar energy production 60% of the fish landings 30% of the beef herd 20% of the sheep herd 9% of the dairy herd 10% of the pig herd 15% if the cereal holdings 20% of the potato holdings ...obviously 100% of the Scotch Whiskey industry. We have a... 17 billion pound construction industry 13 billion food and drink industry 10 billion business services industry 9.3 billion chemical services industry A 9.3 billion tourism industry 7 billion financial services industry 5 billion aeroservice industry 4.5 billion pound whiskey exports industry 3.1 billion pound life sciences industry Scotland still has 350 million pounds worth of textile exports We have 25% of Europes wave and wind energy potential. And finally we are blessed to have 1.5 trillion pound worth of oil and gas reserves. All of this, yet only 8.3% of The UK's population... Whaow Scotland should be rich! IGNORANCE... If you hear anyone saying "I DONT LIKE ALEX SALMOND" or "I DONT LIKE SNP"... THIS VOTE IS ABOUT SCOTLAND'S RIGHT TO ELECT ITS OWN GOVERNMENT... IT HAS NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ALEX SALMOND OR THE SNP. DONT LET POLITICAL IGNORANCE RUIN THIS OPPORTUNITY. Do you know... This is the UK's legacy of success in our history of being better-together is as follows... The UK has the 3rd lowest pensions in the 34 OECD countries of the world The UK has the single most expensive childcare in the European Union The UK has the second lowest-paid economy in the entire developed world The UK has the 3rd longest working hours in the EU The UK has the lowest number of holidays in the EU The UK has the 8th highest gender inequality pay gap out of the EU's 28 countries The UK has the highest likelihood of poverty in disablement in the EU The UK has the highest rail prices in Europe The UK has the second highest housing cost in Europe The UK has the highest fuel poverty rates in Europe. The UK is the 4th highest country of wealth inequality in the entire planet! But surely these awful figures cannot be possible when you read the following Scottish statistics... So we have no democracy here!!! 4 decades of tory rule that we voted against is proof enough, and our defiance was punished by the closure of all the mines; closure of all the steelworks; closure of all the shipyards losing hundreds if thousands of jobs. The term used by Westminster's Thatcher when these industries needed some assistance was "let the markets decide". Funny how when the greedy bankers collapsed everywhere they were bailed out to the tune of over a trillion pounds of our money... Not a mention of "let the markets decide". FACTS: Fact: Scotland has an oil boom waiting to happen on the West Coast, but Michael Hesaltine signed a cessation of any form of oil exploration in the entire area in the 80's to make way for nuclear submarines which Scotland doesn't want! Fact: Scotland has shown its revulsion time and time again to nuclear weapons but they place them here against our countries wishes. A recent contingency report was carried out a out the feasibility of relocating them in Portsmouth. The report stated that it was unfeasible because the detrimental risk to the area of an incident was too high. (Ok for the Clyde though) Fact: Scotland, with only 1 Tory MP, was forced to take the shocking attack on the poor & disabled called The Bedroom Tax, even though as our nations government, Holyrood voted to utterly reject this awful tax on the poor. Westminster gave us it anyway! Fact: We are led to believe that the oil in our waters is finished and its a dying industry. Yet 13.5 billion has been invested by oil companies in the last 2 years alone! Fact: The Clair Oil Field is about to open, and on its own has over 650 million barrels which will be extracted over 20+ years with production reaching a hundred thousand barrels a day! Fact: Scotland gives more to Westminster than it gets back. Do you really think they'd be so keen to keep us if we were being subsidised like they'd have us believe? Fact: Westminster has amassed over £1.3 trillion debt and still growing at nearly £6000 a second. Thats another £516 million today alone which YOU will have to pay for. Fact: Of the 178 countries that have gained their own independence across this planet, not one single one of them has ever asked to reverse this independence, and very few of them have the assets we have. Here's a few quick facts for you. The UK punches well above it's weight and by being part of that Scotland shares in it's wealth. The UK is the 22nd most populous country on the planet, it has the 6th largest economy (3rd largest in Europe), this years growth sits at 3.2% (which is above the threshold where a lot of new jobs are created), and before the recession hit manufacturing output was at its highest ever levels. The rest of the UK is Scotland's main trading partner. Scotland would never have developed industrially without the union with Britain. There would've been no market for Scotland's shipyards or engineering works without the British Empire to trade with. Look at Scotland's greatest thinkers and industrialists like Adam Smith and Andrew Carnegie, how many can you name before the union with Britain? You might be discontent with Westminster politics but I bet withing five years of independence Scotland you'll be similarly disillusioned with Holyrood. That's the nature of democracy, you give and take, you don't always get the government of your choice. Edited September 14, 2014 by C556 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arcticgun 4,548 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 not really up on this . however Im sure I read last week that if Scotland gains Independence that we wont ever have another labour government in Britain? if that alone is true its worth letting the scots go Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nothernlite 18,076 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 The only bonus I can see is no more rule by the public schooling English tory bastewards haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,497 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 you all quick to point out the companys supporting no, what about the hundreds supporting yes? tesco said there will be no 16% rise, morrisons also said prices could also fall with a yes vote, wetherpoons wasnt all doon and gloom, aldi support yes and a few hundred more, scare sotries ( some old, just brought up again ) wont work this time. anyone mentioned that wall street banks plan to move operations from london to ireland if uk leave eu.. that word again COULD why arent morrisons letting you have it cheaper now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chr15j 59 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 (edited) The only bonus I can see is no more rule by the public schooling English tory bastewards haha You would rather be ruled by ill educated idiots, go for it! Edited September 14, 2014 by Chr15j Quote Link to post Share on other sites
nothernlite 18,076 Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 The only bonus I can see is no more rule by the public schooling English tory bastewards hahaYou would rather be ruled by ill educated idiots, go for it
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