Scottish

[Born Hunter 17,813]

On point 2 Lab;

 

Sir Charlie Mayfield, the head of the John Lewis Partnership, which also includes the Waitrose group of supermarkets, said it was “most probable” retailers would be forced to charge higher prices north of the Border.

 

He warned Radio Four's Today programme there were “economic consequences” to a Yes vote because of the higher cost of trading in parts of Scotland.

 

If you've taken the 'price change' to mean a potential drop you've missed the point.

[Brigzy 1,298]

 

 

 

So Salmond got rattled and refused to answer the BBCs Nick Robinsons question about RBS relocating to England....hmm, where have I heard that before ?

And now we have Loyds, RBS, Clydesdale and Standard Life all saying they will relocate to England, and Waitrose

, Asda and John Lewis all saying prices will go up in an independent Scotland.

But, hey ho, according to Eck and Joe, they're just bluffing.....

Ffs mate will you stop reading headlines and read the articles in depth. This is exactly the kind of voter the media love.

You don't happen to think that all pit bull type dogs are 'devil dogs' as well do you?

What part of my post is not true, Lab? Why are you burying your head in the sand ? You say you look at both sides, yet you instantly dismiss any thing you don't like.

I'm sorry mate but you made 3 statements and 2 are not true and the other one is not what you make it.

1....He clearly answered Nick Robinsons question, twice actually. Go and watch it.

2.. The superstores have not actually said prices 'will' go up they said there might me changes. That doesn't mean raise by the way.

3...The RBS, Lloyds debate.....the word is relocate. This does not mean that there shutting up shop and thousands of jobs will be lost. They have already gave a statement saying this.

It does oh to show how scare tactics are working.

Lab, I said "relocate" . Why are they "relocating " if it makes no difference . Why would any of them go to the expense of relocating unless they thought it would cost them more in the long run by staying in an independent Scotland ?

[Lab 10,979]

 

On point 2 Lab;

 

 

Sir Charlie Mayfield, the head of the John Lewis Partnership, which also includes the Waitrose group of supermarkets, said it was most probable retailers would be forced to charge higher prices north of the Border.

 

 

He warned Radio Four's Today programme there were economic consequences to a Yes vote because of the higher cost of trading in parts of Scotland.

 

If you've taken the 'price change' to mean a potential drop you've missed the point.

'Most probable'.......not 'we will be'. I'll admit that still doesn't sound great. But the BBC interviewed some top bloke from Asdas and they made it look like he was saying price increase when he 'very carefully' never used these words.

 

Now what gets me is if you owned a large company in Scotland and 50% of the population was undecided would you come out and make these statements? Think about it. In the even of a Yes vote most Yes voters will have looked at your views and seen it as bullying and you will loose certain customers.

In the event of a No vote you would still loose thousands of voters because it looks like you were part of a scaremongering tactic.

 

The intelligent companies have kept there heads down and are waiting to see what the outcome is or they have held there hands up and said business will resume as normal.

 

Surely you can see what I'm saying here.

 

Big mistake from John Lewis and Asda....be interesting to see how there books look in the coming months.

[The Seeker 3,048]

 

 

 

 

So Salmond got rattled and refused to answer the BBCs Nick Robinsons question about RBS relocating to England....hmm, where have I heard that before ?

And now we have Loyds, RBS, Clydesdale and Standard Life all saying they will relocate to England, and Waitrose

, Asda and John Lewis all saying prices will go up in an independent Scotland.

But, hey ho, according to Eck and Joe, they're just bluffing.....

Ffs mate will you stop reading headlines and read the articles in depth. This is exactly the kind of voter the media love.

You don't happen to think that all pit bull type dogs are 'devil dogs' as well do you?

What part of my post is not true, Lab? Why are you burying your head in the sand ? You say you look at both sides, yet you instantly dismiss any thing you don't like.

I'm sorry mate but you made 3 statements and 2 are not true and the other one is not what you make it.

1....He clearly answered Nick Robinsons question, twice actually. Go and watch it.

2.. The superstores have not actually said prices 'will' go up they said there might me changes. That doesn't mean raise by the way.

3...The RBS, Lloyds debate.....the word is relocate. This does not mean that there shutting up shop and thousands of jobs will be lost. They have already gave a statement saying this.

It does oh to show how scare tactics are working.

Lab, I said "relocate" . Why are they "relocating " if it makes no difference . Why would any of them go to the expense of relocating unless they thought it would cost them more in the long run by staying in an independent Scotland ?

Also a very important point just as important as Scottish job losses from the relocation is the tax generated by any business relocating from Scotland would be paid to the host country not Scotland, this would be a loss of millions.

[Born Hunter 17,813]

'Most probable'.......not 'we will be'. I'll admit that still doesn't sound great. But the BBC interviewed some top bloke from Asdas and they made it look like he was saying price increase when he 'very carefully' never used these words.

 

Now what gets me is if you owned a large company in Scotland and 50% of the population was undecided would you come out and make these statements? Think about it. In the even of a Yes vote most Yes voters will have looked at your views and seen it as bullying and you will loose certain customers.

In the event of a No vote you would still loose thousands of voters because it looks like you were part of a scaremongering tactic.

 

The intelligent companies have kept there heads down and are waiting to see what the outcome is or they have held there hands up and said business will resume as normal.

 

Surely you can see what I'm saying here.

 

Big mistake from John Lewis and Asda....be interesting to see how there books look in the coming months.

 

 

In my opinion they have weighed up the risk of speaking up and 'looking bad' against the risks of actually having to deal with independence and decided that they had better speak up and be as diplomatic as possible when doing so. You might call that stupid, I call it risk management.....

[Lab 10,979]

 

'Most probable'.......not 'we will be'. I'll admit that still doesn't sound great. But the BBC interviewed some top bloke from Asdas and they made it look like he was saying price increase when he 'very carefully' never used these words.

 

Now what gets me is if you owned a large company in Scotland and 50% of the population was undecided would you come out and make these statements? Think about it. In the even of a Yes vote most Yes voters will have looked at your views and seen it as bullying and you will loose certain customers.

In the event of a No vote you would still loose thousands of voters because it looks like you were part of a scaremongering tactic.

 

The intelligent companies have kept there heads down and are waiting to see what the outcome is or they have held there hands up and said business will resume as normal.

 

Surely you can see what I'm saying here.

 

Big mistake from John Lewis and Asda....be interesting to see how there books look in the coming months.

 

In my opinion they have weighed up the risk of speaking up and 'looking bad' against the risks of actually having to deal with independence and decided that they had better speak up and be as diplomatic as possible when doing so. You might call that stupid, I call it risk management.....

Well there risk assessor needs shot. Stay quiet and not pick a side or speak out and turn 50% of the country against you? Strange.

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

 

 

 

So Salmond got rattled and refused to answer the BBCs Nick Robinsons question about RBS relocating to England....hmm, where have I heard that before ?

And now we have Loyds, RBS, Clydesdale and Standard Life all saying they will relocate to England, and Waitrose

, Asda and John Lewis all saying prices will go up in an independent Scotland.

But, hey ho, according to Eck and Joe, they're just bluffing.....

Ffs mate will you stop reading headlines and read the articles in depth. This is exactly the kind of voter the media love.

You don't happen to think that all pit bull type dogs are 'devil dogs' as well do you?

What part of my post is not true, Lab? Why are you burying your head in the sand ? You say you look at both sides, yet you instantly dismiss any thing you don't like.

I'm sorry mate but you made 3 statements and 2 are not true and the other one is not what you make it.

1....He clearly answered Nick Robinsons question, twice actually. Go and watch it.

2.. The superstores have not actually said prices 'will' go up they said there might me changes. That doesn't mean raise by the way.

3...The RBS, Lloyds debate.....the word is relocate. This does not mean that there shutting up shop and thousands of jobs will be lost. They have already gave a statement saying this.

It does oh to show how scare tactics are working.

Lab, I said "relocate" . Why are they "relocating " if it makes no difference . Why would any of them go to the expense of relocating unless they thought it would cost them more in the long run by staying in an independent Scotland ?

Also a very important point just as important as Scottish job losses from the relocation is the tax generated by any business relocating from Scotland would be paid to the host country not Scotland, this would be a loss of millions.

That certainly is a good point. Tax issues are the one thing I struggle to get my head around..all very complicated. I'd bet a pound too a penny there's some guy out there that has an answer for that. It's not me...lol

[Born Hunter 17,813]

Well there risk assessor needs shot. Stay quiet and not pick a side or speak out and turn 50% of the country against you? Strange.

 

 

Don't kid yourself, only the hardcore spiteful nationalists are going to boycot all the bussinesses that have stated the truthful reality. It's pathetic to have the attitude of shooting the messenger because you don't like the message.

 

Numerous Chairmen and CEOs of multi million/billion pound bussinesses all made the wrong decision to tell the hard truth? LOL.

 

Lab, I don't think worse of you for being happy to take that risk. But I do think it's a little strange you would rather be ignorant to these people's opinions on what will be felt by the man on the street in terms of economic changes.

 

Why is any bad news scaremongering but good news absolute certainty that Scotland can 'do it'?

[Lab 10,979]

 

Well there risk assessor needs shot. Stay quiet and not pick a side or speak out and turn 50% of the country against you? Strange.

 

Don't kid yourself, only the hardcore spiteful nationalists are going to boycot all the bussinesses that have stated the truthful reality. It's pathetic to have the attitude of shooting the messenger because you don't like the message.

 

Numerous Chairmen and CEOs of multi million/billion pound bussinesses all made the wrong decision to tell the hard truth? LOL.

 

Lab, I don't think worse of you for being happy to take that risk. But I do think it's a little strange you would rather be ignorant to these people's opinions on what will be felt by the man on the street in terms of economic changes.

 

Why is any bad news scaremongering but good news absolute certainty that Scotland can 'do it'?

I'm not going fall out with you on this mate but spiteful, pathetic.....really? Your an intelligent guy I don't think there's any need for wee digs.

I judge things on how I see/read them......if you owned a timber business and I bought my fencing materials from you and you told me that if I voted Yes you'd put your prices up I'd tell you to f**k off and I wouldn't be back. Now on the other hand if you voted No I would have no problem with that as I believe everyone has there own opinion and choice.

 

It's scaremongering when there's another side proving it too be wrong or it's misleading.

 

If Asda were to come out and say "In the event of a Yes vote we would have to look at our pricing structure and see if there may be an increase or a decrease needed in purchases."

It's really that simple.

[Born Hunter 17,813]

 

I'm not going fall out with you on this mate but spiteful, pathetic.....really? Your an intelligent guy I don't think there's any need for wee digs.

I judge things on how I see/read them......if you owned a timber business and I bought my fencing materials from you and you told me that if I voted Yes you'd put your prices up I'd tell you to f**k off and I wouldn't be back. Now on the other hand if you voted No I would have no problem with that as I believe everyone has there own opinion and choice.

 

It's scaremongering when there's another side proving it too be wrong or it's misleading.

 

If Asda were to come out and say "In the event of a Yes vote we would have to look at our pricing structure and see if there may be an increase or a decrease needed in purchases."

It's really that simple.

 

 

You make it sound like they've said they'll have to put their prices up simply because they want to? They haven't said that at all, they've said that a YES vote will most probably lead to increased running costs which will have to be passed on to the customer. So yes, I would consider someone who boycotted those stores a little pathetic and spiteful for shooting the messenger of reality. These boycotters are choosing to boycot the stores because of a price increase which was a direct result of a change in politics, something out of the hands of the stores. It would be like boycotting a timber yard because the price of fencing has shot up in response to increased costs of fuel etc! The only difference is, this bit of news has got their backs up because, it hinders their case for independence. If a bussiness has to react to a change in politics/economy, you can hardly blame them for it.

 

You think that these companies are scaremongering, I think they have told the inconvenient truth. And you've said yourself that economic threat is worrying.... it's worrying because it's the opinion of very important people and there ISN'T anybody that can prove it wrong. It's not scaremongering, it's the opinions of some smart and concerned bussinessmen who decided speaking up is better than lying low.

 

Mate, I might think you choosing to boycott these bussinesses is a spiteful action, for the reason above, but I'm hardly going to fall out with you over it. I've criticised plenty of people I call my friends when fit to and that attitude isn't going to change with a chap I occassionally talk to on the internet. lol. It's brutal honesty.

[Born Hunter 17,813]

And I'll say again Lab, I don't think badly of you for still wanting indepedence in spite of the potential for bad shit to happen, there's always going to be risk. But I do think you're a little daft for not wanting to hear the threats and hating on those that give them to you. The bussinessmen that have spoken up may hope to sway a vote with what they have said but they have not misslead you or lied, they're giving you harsh realities. It's not scaremongering if it's a genuine threat.

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

I'm not going fall out with you on this mate but spiteful, pathetic.....really? Your an intelligent guy I don't think there's any need for wee digs.

I judge things on how I see/read them......if you owned a timber business and I bought my fencing materials from you and you told me that if I voted Yes you'd put your prices up I'd tell you to f**k off and I wouldn't be back. Now on the other hand if you voted No I would have no problem with that as I believe everyone has there own opinion and choice.

 

It's scaremongering when there's another side proving it too be wrong or it's misleading.

 

If Asda were to come out and say "In the event of a Yes vote we would have to look at our pricing structure and see if there may be an increase or a decrease needed in purchases."

It's really that simple.

 

You make it sound like they've said they'll have to put their prices up simply because they want to? They haven't said that at all, they've said that a YES vote will most probably lead to increased running costs which will have to be passed on to the customer. So yes, I would consider someone who boycotted those stores a little pathetic and spiteful for shooting the messenger of reality. These boycotters are choosing to boycot the stores because of a price increase which was a direct result of a change in politics, something out of the hands of the stores. It would be like boycotting a timber yard because the price of fencing has shot up in response to increased costs of fuel etc! The only difference is, this bit of news has got their backs up because, it hinders their case for independence. If a bussiness has to react to a change in politics/economy, you can hardly blame them for it.

 

You think that these companies are scaremongering, I think they have told the inconvenient truth. And you've said yourself that economic threat is worrying.... it's worrying because it's the opinion of very important people and there ISN'T anybody that can prove it wrong. It's not scaremongering, it's the opinions of some smart and concerned bussinessmen who decided speaking up is better than lying low.

 

Mate, I might think you choosing to boycott these bussinesses is a spiteful action, for the reason above, but I'm hardly going to fall out with you over it. I've criticised plenty of people I call my friends when fit to and that attitude isn't going to change with a chap I occassionally talk to on the internet. lol. It's brutal honesty.

Yeah I know we're not going too fall out mate that's just a bit tongue and cheek. Lol

 

I do see what your saying but this campaign has been running for I think 2 years now and why is it these businesses are coming out of the woodwork now.

They've had there wee meeting with Mr Cameron I think and there at a last resort.

Why do you think it's pretty much just Asda that has decided to divulge this information?

[mushroom 13,261]

Because it's fact lab and it's not hard to work out why mate. Scotland is remote the population centered in areas with pretty much deck all inbetween, the cost of transporting goods right now is spread across the UK if you go it alone the cost of transporting goods to Scotland will have to be met by Scotland. Ps saw the thing on Fb mate I can't reply right now

[Born Hunter 17,813]

Yeah I know we're not going too fall out mate that's just a bit tongue and cheek. Lol

 

I do see what your saying but this campaign has been running for I think 2 years now and why is it these businesses are coming out of the woodwork now.

They've had there wee meeting with Mr Cameron I think and there at a last resort.

Why do you think it's pretty much just Asda that has decided to divulge this information?

 

 

It's not just ASDA, but to answer, I don't know why everyone else isn't chirping up. Maybe they've all come to different conclusions on the best course of action, whether to risk speaking up or to risk keeping quiet....

 

To my mind it's obvious why those that have have only just spoken up..... why get involved and risk boycotting or other retalitory action untill the risk of YES is quite serious? You've proved yourself that by speaking they have risked negative feeling towards them, something I feel is unfair. They may have spoken to Cameron, we don't know that, but it makes sense to only step in and take the risk of becoming politically involved by voicing your opinions as a company at the point when it's really necessary. Weeks...... months.... years ago that pressure wasn't there or at least the Chief Execs didn't feel it.... now they are!

[Lab 10,979]

 

Yeah I know we're not going too fall out mate that's just a bit tongue and cheek. Lol

 

I do see what your saying but this campaign has been running for I think 2 years now and why is it these businesses are coming out of the woodwork now.

They've had there wee meeting with Mr Cameron I think and there at a last resort.

Why do you think it's pretty much just Asda that has decided to divulge this information?

 

It's not just ASDA, but to answer, I don't know why everyone else isn't chirping up. Maybe they've all come to different conclusions on the best course of action, whether to risk speaking up or to risk keeping quiet....

 

To my mind it's obvious why those that have have only just spoken up..... why get involved and risk boycotting or other retalitory action untill the risk of YES is quite serious? You've proved yourself that by speaking they have risked negative feeling towards them, something I feel is unfair. They may have spoken to Cameron, we don't know that, but it makes sense to only step in and take the risk of becoming politically involved by voicing your opinions as a company at the point when it's really necessary. Weeks...... months.... years ago that pressure wasn't there or at least the Chief Execs didn't feel it.... now they are!

Well this conversation clearly shows why it's a difficult decision up here. You could be a No voter and your views shine bright in this debate and I'm sure if your a yes voter you can see my points of view as well.

Be a big bombshell I'm sure in the next few days I'd imagine. Atb