Scottish

[Joe1888 672]

 

 

 

so lets be clear even it if benefited both scotland and the uk, you would still rather cut off noise than see scotland break away and do well using a currency union?

 

 

I haven't said that...... your view is that it's a benefit. Mine is that it's a risk not worth taking. Are you seriously so ignorant you can't accept somebody that's not a Scottish nationalist might take a different view?

 

 

you said both woud be worse off... the benefits are clear, the pound wont continue drop like it has now, boe keeps balence of payments, no extra trade costs, jobs secure, scotland takes share of debt are some

 

cant you accept people voting yes arent all notionalists and its not about the snp/salmond

Edited September 8, 2014 by Joe1888

[Joe1888 672]

time for a break.. no matter what said, myself and you guys down south wont agree on this one

[Born Hunter 17,775]

 

you said both woud be worse off... the benefits are clear, the pound wont continue drop like it has now, boe keeps balence of payments, no extra trade costs, jobs secure, scotland takes share of debt are some

 

cant you accept people voting yes arent all notionalists and its not about the snp/salmond

 

 

I said we would be worse off post indepedence, not worse off if we don't have a currency union. It will have negative economic impact but we will also retain complete control over our currency giving security.

 

Surely by definition the YES voters are Scottish nationalists? Unless they're intentionally voting against the national interests of Scotland? They may be English/whatever by ethnicity but they are voting for a Scottish nationality which surely makes them Scottish nationalists?

[Joe1888 672]

Depends on how you look at it, the no side want people to think its all snp and about salmond, target salmond and hope to discredit him and bring down support for yes

 

Yes is people of all parties, snp, labour for indy, greens, women for indy and more

 

All sorts of voters/backgrounds and different views on how the country should go in future and now alot uk labour supporters are moving to yes, all agree on one thing. To fix whats been broken for a long time, the start is voting yes and taking control. Not painting face blue and shouting freedom as some believe, its not about the past, its about the future.

 

Now am taking a break. ATB

Edited September 8, 2014 by Joe1888

[johnny boy68 11,726]

Well I'm Welsh and I think it'll be a sad day if the union breaks up, if you get a Yes I hope it goes well for you because if it dosen't you could be in for a tough time of it.

 

Vote wise lads and lassies and if you get independence the first thing you need to do is get rid of that wee fud Salmond, he'll drag you down imo.

[Born Hunter 17,775]

And talking about Nobel prize winners, here's Paul Krugman's opinion;

 

 

Well, I have a message for the Scots: Be afraid, be very afraid. The risks of going it alone are huge. You may think that Scotland can become another Canada, but it’s all too likely that it would end up becoming Spain without the sunshine.

 

In short, everything that has happened in Europe since 2009 or so has demonstrated that sharing a currency without sharing a government is very dangerous. In economics jargon, fiscal and banking integration are essential elements of an optimum currency area. And an independent Scotland using Britain’s pound would be in even worse shape than euro countries, which at least have some say in how the European Central Bank is run.

 

I find it mind-boggling that Scotland would consider going down this path after all that has happened in the last few years. If Scottish voters really believe that it’s safe to become a country without a currency, they have been badly misled.

 

So a Nobel Laureate that backs the Chancellors decision......

[Joe1888 672]

And talking about Nobel prize winners, here's Paul Krugman's opinion;

 

 

Well, I have a message for the Scots: Be afraid, be very afraid. The risks of going it alone are huge. You may think that Scotland can become another Canada, but it’s all too likely that it would end up becoming Spain without the sunshine.

 

In short, everything that has happened in Europe since 2009 or so has demonstrated that sharing a currency without sharing a government is very dangerous. In economics jargon, fiscal and banking integration are essential elements of an optimum currency area. And an independent Scotland using Britain’s pound would be in even worse shape than euro countries, which at least have some say in how the European Central Bank is run.

 

I find it mind-boggling that Scotland would consider going down this path after all that has happened in the last few years. If Scottish voters really believe that it’s safe to become a country without a currency, they have been badly misled.

 

So a Nobel Laureate that backs the Chancellors decision......

 

 

some of the experts supporting yes, advising scottish gov. i really need to take abrake lol, one things for sure we wont agree...

 

 

 

Crawford Beveridge (Chair) – Crawford Beveridge is a technology industry veteran with more than 35 years of experience. This included working as an Executive at Sun Microsystems for over 15 years. In 1991, Beveridge left Sun to become Chief Executive of Scottish Enterprise. Beveridge returned to Sun in April 2000 as Executive Vice President of People and Places and Chief Human Resources Officer. In addition to being the Non-Executive Chairman of the Board of Autodesk, Beveridge is Chairman of Scottish Equity Partners Ltd, and a Non-executive board member of eSilicon and iomart Group PLC. He was awarded a C.B.E. in the New Years Honours list in 1995.

Dr Kirsty Duncan – Joined the council in February 2013 and is a member of Parliament for Etobicoke North, Toronto, Canada. Former Research Director at the Institute of Corporate Citizenship, Rotman School of Management and on-leave Associate Professor in Health Studies at the University of Toronto. Dr Duncan received the Knowledge Millennium Award in 2009 for her work in pandemic influenza and has completed work, regarding climate change and human health for North America, for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPPC).

 

Professor Andrew Hughes Hallett - Professor of Economics and Public Policy at George Mason University in the US, visiting Professor at Harvard University and Professor of Economics at the University of St Andrews. Professor Hughes Hallett specialises in international economic policy and has acted as a consultant for the World Bank, the IMF, the Federal Reserve Board, the UN, the OECD, the European Commission and central banks around the world.

 

Jim McColl - Chairman and Chief Executive of Clyde Blowers - a company transformed under his leadership into a portfolio of global engineering companies. He also serves as Chairman of the Welfare to Work Forum which has seen 15,000 Scots enter employment.

 

Professor Sir James Mirrlees - Professor Emeritus at Cambridge University and distinguished professor-at-large at the Chinese University of Hong Kong. In 1996 Sir James was awarded the Nobel Prize for his work on economic models and equations about situations where information is asymmetrical or incomplete. In 2010, he led the Mirrlees Review of taxation which examined the principles and characteristics of a good tax system for open developed economies in the 21st century.

Lady Susan Rice - Managing Director of Lloyds Banking Group Scotland and former Chair and Chief Executive of Lloyds TSB Scotland. Lady Rice is also a non-executive director of Scottish and Southern Energy, the Bank of England, Big Society Capital and J Sainsbury's. She chairs the Edinburgh International Book Festival, Edinburgh’s Festivals Forum, NGS Patrons and is vice-chair of Scotland's 2020 Climate Change Group. Lady Rice is also a director of the National Centre for Universities and Business, and has been appointed a lay member of the Court of Edinburgh University. She also chairs the ground-breaking Chartered Banker Professional Standards Board.

Professor Louise Richardson - Professor Richardson is Principal and Vice-Chancellor of the University of St Andrews. Professor Richardson spent twenty years on the Faculty of Harvard University where she specialised in international relations. She currently serves on the advisory board for a number of institutions in the UK, Ireland, and the US. Her work centres upon improving the understanding of the humanities, political violence, and human rights.

Professor Frances Ruane - Director of Ireland's Economic and Social Research Institute previously an Associate Professor of Economics at Trinity College, Dublin. She is widely published in the area of international economic and industrial development.

Professor Joseph Stiglitz - Professor Stiglitz is Professor of Economics at Columbia University. He won the Nobel Prize for Economics in 2001 and was a member of the US Council of Economic Advisers from 1993-95, serving as CEA Chair from 1995-97. He was Chief Economist and Senior Vice-President of the World Bank from 1997-2000. In 2009 he was appointed by the President of the United Nations General Assembly as Chair of the Commission of Experts on Reform of the International Financial and Monetary System.

Edited September 8, 2014 by Joe1888

[Born Hunter 17,775]

I'm not searching for all the big names that support NO, lol. I was just pointing out that like your Nobel Laureate that reckons there's a plan B (which curiously Salmond won't aknowledge or back) there's one that reckons the whole idea is f***ing madness and uses the EU as his example.

[Joe1888 672]

sorry, the names mentioned above are not all the supporters, they have advised scottish gov on other options, that are also in the white paper... they all agree currency union is best, hence why yes are fighting for that first and formost.. if you want to see plan plan b,c,d,e,f etc is, go read

 

 

100% away now LOL

Edited September 8, 2014 by Joe1888

[Born Hunter 17,775]

the names mentioned above are not all sipporters, they have advised scottish gov on other options, that are also in the white paper... they all agree currency union is best, hence why yes are fighting for that first and formost.. if you want to see plan plan b,c,d,e,f etc is, go read

 

 

100% away now LOL

 

God help you! LOL

[Brigzy 1,298]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned; no matter who wins, almost 50% of the Scottish population is going to feel betrayed, angry, dissalusioned, bitter.... If the "yes" win, they will float along on a feeling of nationalistic euphorea for a few years, then when the truth dawns, it will be up to their children and grandchildren to pick up the pieces. Many of the "no" voters will have decided they have to leave, and the best and the brightest will emigrate, possibly south of the border, maybe to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the USA. If the "no" wins, the nationalists will harbour a resentment for their fellow Scots; communities and even families will be divided. The "yes's" will blame England in general, and Westminster in particular, and also their friends and relatives who voted "no". I honestly cant see any good coming from this, no matter who wins.....

[Lab 10,979]

One thing that hasn't been mentioned; no matter who wins, almost 50% of the Scottish population is going to feel betrayed, angry, dissalusioned, bitter.... If the "yes" win, they will float along on a feeling of nationalistic euphorea for a few years, then when the truth dawns, it will be up to their children and grandchildren to pick up the pieces. Many of the "no" voters will have decided they have to leave, and the best and the brightest will emigrate, possibly south of the border, maybe to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the USA. If the "no" wins, the nationalists will harbour a resentment for their fellow Scots; communities and even families will be divided. The "yes's" will blame England in general, and Westminster in particular, and also their friends and relatives who voted "no". I honestly cant see any good coming from this, no matter who wins.....

That's actually a very good post and one I have thought about myself. You see I like to stand by my word, if I get it wrong I'll admit it and hold my hands up and take what's thrown at me.

So if we do get independence and things go tits up I'll be partly to blame cause I voted for it.

Switch that around and we vote No...then hell mend anyway posting stuff about the treatment we get from Westminster cause I'll be f***ing hounding them.

[tandors 888]

I hope you vote yes you all act as if england is holding you back while in reality we don't even have our own parliament. The last 3 prime ministers have been scots and in that time england has been flooded with third worlders if you don't think you will get the same under a leftist independent scotland (that won't be independent if it joins the eu) you are insane.

[Lab 10,979]

Yer no listening are you. It's f**k all to do wi wee eck

[Brigzy 1,298]

I think it's ALL to do with Salmond; he wants the personal glory of "leading Scotland to freedom" ! He has lied, evaded telling the truth, and if I was conspiracy theorist, I'd say he was hoping for a very narrow defeat, so he can get more powers under "devo max", and still have the support and backing of the UK !