Deactivated Rifle And Proofing

[moxy 617]

Hi lads.

A mate has been offered an old 1915 Lee Enfield rifle.

It will be gifted from his elderly neighbour who has no deactivation certificate. The old boy (95) has had it deactivated but can't find the certificate nor remember when or where he had it done.

The barrel has been blocked at the breech and the bolt has been tinkered with.

 

How can this rifle change hands and how can he obtain a cert for it.

 

Thanks.

[smokey_Joe 3]

Hi moxy,

 

here is the info you need pal and from what I have read it looks like you don't need one!! but I only read the top bit

 

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/firearms/#a07

[paulus 26]

Hi lads.

A mate has been offered an old 1915 Lee Enfield rifle.

It will be gifted from his elderly neighbour who has no deactivation certificate. The old boy (95) has had it deactivated but can't find the certificate nor remember when or where he had it done.

The barrel has been blocked at the breech and the bolt has been tinkered with.

 

How can this rifle change hands and how can he obtain a cert for it.

 

Thanks.

if its still 303 cal and not been bored out to 410g its classed as an antique/obsolete calibre and legal to hold as a collectable with no license

[moxy 617]

Cheers joe but I interperited that to mean it needs a mark and a cert.

[paulus 26]

Cheers joe but I interperited that to mean it needs a mark and a cert.

have a read here http://www.micksguns.com/mick's%20story%20-%20the%20facts.htm

[moxy 617]

It's a 303 SHtle. Not sure what MK but 1915.

I couldn't say if it's been bored but barrel definitely blocked.

[paulus 26]

It's a 303 SHtle. Not sure what MK but 1915.

I couldn't say if it's been bored but barrel definitely blocked.

it will have little or no riffling if it has been converted to 36bore

[moxy 617]

 

It's a 303 SHtle. Not sure what MK but 1915.

I couldn't say if it's been bored but barrel definitely blocked.

 

it will have little or no riffling if it has been converted to 36bore

I will get him to have a look. I have only seen the rifle via pictures he sent me.

Thanks.

[moxy 617]

The old boy found the deactivation certificate. Anyone have an idea as to what it's worth?

Cheers

[charlie caller 3,654]

Surely .303 is not an obsolete calibre, for instance Henry Kranks sell ppu ammo in .303 calibre, and I know a couple of stalkers that use .303?

[Alsone 789]

Sell it here as well in Sellier & Bellot ammo:

 

http://www.simplyammo.co.uk/

 

In fact foudn this in the Wiki as well:

 

 

Commercial ammunition for weapons chambered in .303 British is readily available, as the cartridge is still manufactured by major producers such as Remington, Federal, Winchester, Sellier & Bellot, Prvi Partizan and Wolf. Commercially produced ammunition is widely available in various full metal jacket bullet, soft point, hollow point, flat-based and boat tail designs—both spitzer and round-nosed.

Edited October 16, 2014 by Alsone

[paulus 26]

UK law allows an individual to possess firearms, but not live ammunition, without a firearms certificate as antiques, curios or ornaments. In order to qualify the firearm generally has to be either a muzzle loader manufactured before 1939 (reproductions are required to be held on certificate), or breech loaders that utilise pinfire or rimfire (other than .22"RF) systems, or are chambered for centrefire cartridges that are considered to be obsolete. The UK Government produces a list of those it considers to be obsolete.

Accordingly a .577" P53 Enfield rifle (original) would qualify as a pre 1939 muzzle loader, and a .577/450" MHR qualifies as it is on the list.

This exemption from the need for a certificate also applies to handguns along the same lines, for example a percussion 54 bore Adams could be so held. However the list itself is not part of legislation and some firearms chamberede for cartridges not on the list have still been held by the courts to be antiques. Examples of this include Long Lee Enfield rifles in .303" and a Mk VI Webley revolver in .455". However, in our legal system one case is not binding on another, so the fact that one case ended in acquittal does not mean that .455" Webleys can now be sold as antiques. Anyone doing so is likely to still be prosecuted.

 

 

read here chapter 8 https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/363016/Guidance_on_Firearms_Licensing_Law_v10_-_Oct_2014.pdf