desertbred 5,490 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Socks let me ask you a question and give an honest answer a peadophile 10/15 years in prison or chop his head off which is justice or a the two who murdered Lee Rigby prison or heads off? You get wrongfully accused of a crime and are tried not by a judge, jury and reasonable justice system but by a village elder or a strict religious person who follows the text to the letter and does not allow you a trial by jury, just passes judgement as he sees fit and condems you to death, no right to an appeal, no right to speak up, no right to a legal representative as this isn't a legal system, this is a religious justice system. Does that seem like a fair outcome? We believe the Shariat is the Law of Allah or God as you say so who could you appeal to higher than god? Even your own justice system is trying to change the trial by jury to trial by one judge. Shariat Courts are run by Islamic Scholars not village elders. I am often reminded I am not British and have no right to be here so the use of you and yours is intentional as some of you are intent on muslims not being part of the society attacking a muslims faith at every opportunity. I am also told by Ragumup that as Muslims we continually lie so what would you sooner I do show my feelings and dissatisfaction or lie and pretend that everything is hunky dori and tip my hat and be greatful ffs it does not work like that in my opinion. As for loyalties my allegiance first and formost is to my faith then to Iran I have no desire to see death or destruction in any place on this earth I have already seen enough in my life time to last me ten lifetimes. Suicide bombings didnt japanese kamakazi pilots use these tactics before Muslims ever did? Didnt America drop nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki becoming the only country to use nuclear weapons so thats ok as long as its the west commiting the atrocities. The isrealis bombing UN compounds full of refugees in the Bakau valley in the 60,s brought about the formationof Hezbollah paulas you omitted this fact. Point the finger to those responsible. If a weaker power is attacked by a suoperior equiped foe then every method of combat can be justified people enter into conflict to win not be defeated.. As for conflicts in History is Britain to be proud of the death and destruction it has wreaked on nations and countries around the world , then I hear the transition that has taken place over the last few hundred years third world countries are probably a hundred years behind so this transition is the time to be denied to these but it was ok for the west. British Government does not show loyalty to its own electorate or citizens so dont talk to me about loyalty talk to your politicians I say your politicians because I would vote for none of them including the Muslim MPS and George Galloway/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 in 1980 iranian terrorists took hostages and killed and threw the body of one out the window when it dawned on them that they wouldnt get their way, a cowardly and senseless act and no better than the killing of lee rigby(rip). they then the iranians complained that the sas who went in and ended the seige killing most of the terrorists and saving all but one hostage were over zealous in their actions. been reading the British media version of events have we. you believe what you want to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I've heard it all now, Britain is probably militarily the most succesfull country in world history and apparently we have a lot to learn about combat..... For such a hater Desertbred you pick a hell of a place to reside. Your lack of allegiance to the country that harbours you is disgusting. The country does not harbour me I live here just the same as any one else I pay my taxes dont break the law other than the hunting ban so how your rights are any greater than mine? Combat is something that is adapted to terrain location and foe you think You have a monopoly on conflict the persian empire military history goes back a lot longer the GB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Socks let me ask you a question and give an honest answer a peadophile 10/15 years in prison or chop his head off which is justice or a the two who murdered Lee Rigby prison or heads off? You get wrongfully accused of a crime and are tried not by a judge, jury and reasonable justice system but by a village elder or a strict religious person who follows the text to the letter and does not allow you a trial by jury, just passes judgement as he sees fit and condems you to death, no right to an appeal, no right to speak up, no right to a legal representative as this isn't a legal system, this is a religious justice system. Does that seem like a fair outcome? We believe the Shariat is the Law of Allah or God as you say so who could you appeal to higher than god? Even your own justice system is trying to change the trial by jury to trial by one judge. Shariat Courts are run by Islamic Scholars not village elders. Exactly so if you were wrongly accused you couldn't appeal so would you rather be doing 10-15yrs or be wrongfully executed? What happens in Allah's eyes if you are wrong executed or you wrongfully kill someone? "Your own justice system"? Is that not the same justice system you are living under now then and free to practice your beliefs regardless if they are the same as your neighbour or not? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) Socks let me ask you a question and give an honest answer a peadophile 10/15 years in prison or chop his head off which is justice or a the two who murdered Lee Rigby prison or heads off? You get wrongfully accused of a crime and are tried not by a judge, jury and reasonable justice system but by a village elder or a strict religious person who follows the text to the letter and does not allow you a trial by jury, just passes judgement as he sees fit and condems you to death, no right to an appeal, no right to speak up, no right to a legal representative as this isn't a legal system, this is a religious justice system. Does that seem like a fair outcome? We believe the Shariat is the Law of Allah or God as you say so who could you appeal to higher than god? Even your own justice system is trying to change the trial by jury to trial by one judge. Shariat Courts are run by Islamic Scholars not village elders. Exactly so if you were wrongly accused you couldn't appeal so would you rather be doing 10-15yrs or be wrongfully executed? What happens in Allah's eyes if you are wrong executed or you wrongfully kill someone? "Your own justice system"? Is that not the same justice system you are living under now then and free to practice your beliefs regardless if they are the same as your neighbour or not? my neighbours as it happens are all orthodox jews their belifs and faith are their concern not mine Peronally I would rather be executed rightly or wrongly than spend 15 years in prison may be because of age,, In islam justice is supposed to be swift in truth islam does not have a concept of inprisonment the closest I suppose would be slavery denial of basic human rights, the most precious of all basic human rights is freedom is it not. Edited August 19, 2014 by desertbred Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,763 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I've heard it all now, Britain is probably militarily the most succesfull country in world history and apparently we have a lot to learn about combat..... For such a hater Desertbred you pick a hell of a place to reside. Your lack of allegiance to the country that harbours you is disgusting. The country does not harbour me I live here just the same as any one else I pay my taxes dont break the law other than the hunting ban so how your rights are any greater than mine? Combat is something that is adapted to terrain location and foe you think You have a monopoly on conflict the persian empire military history goes back a lot longer the GB If you want to twist things Persia is different to Iran. We can take the history of this island back before GB like you have with Iran. Of course combat is adaptive, but that's beside the point, you said that the Brits believe wars are won with air power and I believe that is f***ing ridiculous. Why do we fire a shit ton of marines and soldiers into battle if airmen are all that's needed? Give me one example where Britain has tried to win a war with airpower alone and not in support of other offensive actions? How are my rights greater than yours? They're not..... But I like to think that my fellow countrymen share allegiance to this country if nothing else. That's a pretty funda-f***ing-mental part of a country and nation...... UNITY! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 The militaristic Japanese culture at the time forbade any form of surrender. Irokawa Daikicih, drafted from the University of Tokyo, claims that the first thing he was taught in training was how to use his own rifle to kill himself rather than be captured alive. however i will agree After the Second World War the US and UK encouraged and strengthened radical Islamic movements in the Middle East to in order to contain the spread of the Soviet Union and prevent the rise of nationalist movements hostile to the West. It was also during the 1970s that the Saudi Arabian government began to spend billions of dollars to promote Wahhabism, an ultra conservative reading of Islam, around the world. With a few exceptions, conflicts between these groups and the secular state have provided the main context for suicide bombings. Of the 36 countries where suicide bombings have been recorded by the University of Chicago, only four (Finland, China, Bolivia, and Sri Lanka) have not involved groups with links to radical Islam. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I've heard it all now, Britain is probably militarily the most succesfull country in world history and apparently we have a lot to learn about combat..... For such a hater Desertbred you pick a hell of a place to reside. Your lack of allegiance to the country that harbours you is disgusting. The country does not harbour me I live here just the same as any one else I pay my taxes dont break the law other than the hunting ban so how your rights are any greater than mine? Combat is something that is adapted to terrain location and foe you think You have a monopoly on conflict the persian empire military history goes back a lot longer the GB If you want to twist things Persia is different to Iran. We can take the history of this island back before GB like you have with Iran. Of course combat is adaptive, but that's beside the point, you said that the Brits believe wars are won with air power and I believe that is f***ing ridiculous. Why do we fire a shit ton of marines and soldiers into battle if airmen are all that's needed? Give me one example where Britain has tried to win a war with airpower alone and not in support of other offensive actions? How are my rights greater than yours? They're not..... But I like to think that my fellow countrymen share allegiance to this country if nothing else. That's a pretty funda-f***ing-mental part of a country and nation...... UNITY! Iran became persia then it came back to being Iran our history is one of the oldest civilisations in the world. Unity dont make me laugh is that why the referendum on Scotland is up coming why theFfree State want the 6 Counties back and Welsh nationalists want there own government Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charlie caller 3,654 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) Dont you think it is time you left the west then seeing as you hate it so much? Go and piss off and have your sharia law, and whatever else makes you happy in your beloved Persia, you dont belong here, you never will. Scotland can have their independence for me, and Wales for that matter, England is what I care about, the sooner we are a separate country the better, and as for unity, well my friend we "unified" quite well in the last major conflict we had do you not think? Edited August 19, 2014 by charlie caller Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Socks let me ask you a question and give an honest answer a peadophile 10/15 years in prison or chop his head off which is justice or a the two who murdered Lee Rigby prison or heads off? You get wrongfully accused of a crime and are tried not by a judge, jury and reasonable justice system but by a village elder or a strict religious person who follows the text to the letter and does not allow you a trial by jury, just passes judgement as he sees fit and condems you to death, no right to an appeal, no right to speak up, no right to a legal representative as this isn't a legal system, this is a religious justice system. Does that seem like a fair outcome? We believe the Shariat is the Law of Allah or God as you say so who could you appeal to higher than god? Even your own justice system is trying to change the trial by jury to trial by one judge. Shariat Courts are run by Islamic Scholars not village elders. Exactly so if you were wrongly accused you couldn't appeal so would you rather be doing 10-15yrs or be wrongfully executed? What happens in Allah's eyes if you are wrong executed or you wrongfully kill someone? "Your own justice system"? Is that not the same justice system you are living under now then and free to practice your beliefs regardless if they are the same as your neighbour or not? my neighbours as it happens are all orthodox jews their belifs and faith are their concern not mine Peronally I would rather be executed rightly or wrongly than spend 15 years in prison may be because of age,, In islam justice is supposed to be swift in truth islam does not have a concept of inprisonment the closest I suppose would be slavery denial of basic human rights, the most precious of all basic human rights is freedom is it not. Do you eat what you hunt? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Dessertbred if you dislike this country and our way of life why the fukc are you here ... Oh yes I remember a previous thread now you are here to get your daughter an education because she couldn't get one in your great country of equal opportunities ......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Dont you think it is time you left the west then seeing as you hate it so much? Go and piss off and have your sharia law, and whatever else makes you happy in your beloved Persia, you dont belong here, you never will. sooner stay here and annoy the likes of you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Dessertbred if you dislike this country and our way of life why the fukc are you here ... Oh yes I remember a previous thread now you are here to get your daughter an education because she couldn't get one in your great country of equal opportunities ......... Shes here to study British Law as a Barrister then she will return to Iran study Shariat law and hopefully in years to come make a better fist of things than we have up to now, as for f***ing off while I am here plenty of room there for you to go if you have the bottle LOL Quote Link to post Share on other sites
desertbred 5,490 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Socks let me ask you a question and give an honest answer a peadophile 10/15 years in prison or chop his head off which is justice or a the two who murdered Lee Rigby prison or heads off? You get wrongfully accused of a crime and are tried not by a judge, jury and reasonable justice system but by a village elder or a strict religious person who follows the text to the letter and does not allow you a trial by jury, just passes judgement as he sees fit and condems you to death, no right to an appeal, no right to speak up, no right to a legal representative as this isn't a legal system, this is a religious justice system. Does that seem like a fair outcome? We believe the Shariat is the Law of Allah or God as you say so who could you appeal to higher than god? Even your own justice system is trying to change the trial by jury to trial by one judge. Shariat Courts are run by Islamic Scholars not village elders. Exactly so if you were wrongly accused you couldn't appeal so would you rather be doing 10-15yrs or be wrongfully executed? What happens in Allah's eyes if you are wrong executed or you wrongfully kill someone? "Your own justice system"? Is that not the same justice system you are living under now then and free to practice your beliefs regardless if they are the same as your neighbour or not? my neighbours as it happens are all orthodox jews their belifs and faith are their concern not mine Peronally I would rather be executed rightly or wrongly than spend 15 years in prison may be because of age,, In islam justice is supposed to be swift in truth islam does not have a concept of inprisonment the closest I suppose would be slavery denial of basic human rights, the most precious of all basic human rights is freedom is it not. Do you eat what you hunt? I only hunt long ears but if my dogs catch it is Halal for me as I trained my dogs so this is permitted for me in Islam any one elses catch would not be I do eat it but not all as I find the meat to rich for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charlie caller 3,654 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Dont you think it is time you left the west then seeing as you hate it so much? Go and piss off and have your sharia law, and whatever else makes you happy in your beloved Persia, you dont belong here, you never will. sooner stay here and annoy the likes of you Yes the likes of you have been annoying us for some time, but its a long lane that never has a turn Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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