Whats The Most Peaceful Religion?

[desertbred 5,490]

 

Despite the fact that I detest the fact that your "only here for the beer" Desertbred, as you said that when all is said and done you will be going back (in a previous thread) I have to say I admire the way you continue to stand your ground in a fairly level headed manner despite a barrage of disagreement.

Fair play to you chap.

I was thinking the same thing at the beginning of this thread, I remember that last one and desertbred acquitted himself with honours. This thread though I think he has taken the bait and bit, pity really as he seems an honest chap who can give an insight of Islam perhaps we would not normally read.

 

TC

 

[mushroom 12,925]

Wilf top comment and seconded I respect the chap too.

Desert I am skirting the boundaries as that is the facts it was rhetorical

but do answer the questions please

[hutch6 550]

 

 

Despite the fact that I detest the fact that your "only here for the beer" Desertbred, as you said that when all is said and done you will be going back (in a previous thread) I have to say I admire the way you continue to stand your ground in a fairly level headed manner despite a barrage of disagreement.Fair play to you chap.

Are you kidding?I got a mouthful just for questioning what he wrote and then accused of being one thing or another off the back of it along with a barrage of swear words.Level headed manner? I think not. Maybe when discussing historical or political discussion points but point out the finer point or fact a fundamental law or practice guidance has been broken and the flimsy house of cards he resides in comes tumbling down.

you are avoiding bringing your friend I respond in kind ?

I've sent him your questions.

He's only just got back from a four week trip to India as a family member wasn't well and it was Ramadan so I'm sure he's got stuff going on.

He'll get back to me and I'll get back to you. He was intrigued by your actions and interested. He's some kind of priest or equivalent I guess as he leads the prayers at work. Other than that all I know is he knows the Quaran word for word and was sent to a boarding school of some kind, I keep telling him it was borstal by the insists it was a school of some kind. Top bloke so he'll respond when he has chance.

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

 

 

simple question if it was not for your daughters education would you have still chosen to live here and yes i do know the answer as you have said it before what your intentions for the future are, so basically your here for what this country can give you and your family once you have achieved this your off back to Iran, sorry but that is exactly what is wrong with immigration

But I have paid national insurance and tax here when I was young still pay taxes now I am old my wife worked in NHS till he retirement am I not entitled to have my daughter educated I and my wife will also get an OAP I will give mine two two village schools we finance in Afghanistan, My Father Fought in the Aliied forces inThialand and Burma during the war my mother worked in Cromwell hospital in London and Monsall fever hospital in Manchester one of my wifes ubcles Haidar Ali was awarded the VC in 1945 I think we have some justifiable right dont you?

 

thats as may be but you still see it as "us" and "them" and thats your own words not mine

 

answer the question I have entitlement or not dont side step and waffle

 

why not you have been doing it all day

 

youy are a joke as a moderator no pun intended

[Ggib 370]

right now men as much as i disagree with islam it wasnt a thread to attack desertbred, fairplay to him for answering the questions put to him, just hope he can see the problems that this mass forced immigration has created with joe public. it doesnt look good for the future as it looks like shitslam and christianity are on a collision course on these isles. but men dont be asking quetions on coarsing, fox hunting etc no need to incriminate yourselves

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

 

 

simple question if it was not for your daughters education would you have still chosen to live here and yes i do know the answer as you have said it before what your intentions for the future are, so basically your here for what this country can give you and your family once you have achieved this your off back to Iran, sorry but that is exactly what is wrong with immigration

But I have paid national insurance and tax here when I was young still pay taxes now I am old my wife worked in NHS till he retirement am I not entitled to have my daughter educated I and my wife will also get an OAP I will give mine two two village schools we finance in Afghanistan, My Father Fought in the Aliied forces inThialand and Burma during the war my mother worked in Cromwell hospital in London and Monsall fever hospital in Manchester one of my wifes ubcles Haidar Ali was awarded the VC in 1945 I think we have some justifiable right dont you?

 

thats as may be but you still see it as "us" and "them" and thats your own words not mine

 

answer the question I have entitlement or not dont side step and waffle

 

why not you have been doing it all day

 

youy are a joke as a moderator no pun intended

 

ask me if i care,

[WILF 46,811]

 

simple question if it was not for your daughters education would you have still chosen to live here and yes i do know the answer as you have said it before what your intentions for the future are, so basically your here for what this country can give you and your family once you have achieved this your off back to Iran, sorry but that is exactly what is wrong with immigration

 

But I have paid national insurance and tax here when I was young still pay taxes now I am old my wife worked in NHS till he retirement am I not entitled to have my daughter educated I and my wife will also get an OAP I will give mine two two village schools we finance in Afghanistan, My Father Fought in the Aliied forces inThialand and Burma during the war my mother worked in Cromwell hospital in London and Monsall fever hospital in Manchester one of my wifes ubcles Haidar Ali was awarded the VC in 1945 I think we have some justifiable right dont you?

Personally, and mean this in the nicest way, but no.....I don't think you have any "right"

"Right" implies that you are owed something, and if your committed to the team for life then fair enough, however if you simply hitching a ride for all you can get out of it until such times as you are ready to get off the bus then that is a parasitic relationship and to my mind you should have been shown the door.

 

As I said, not trying to be horrible, just expressing my honest take on things

Edited August 19, 2014 by WILF

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

 

Despite the fact that I detest the fact that your "only here for the beer" Desertbred, as you said that when all is said and done you will be going back (in a previous thread) I have to say I admire the way you continue to stand your ground in a fairly level headed manner despite a barrage of disagreement.Fair play to you chap.

Are you kidding?I got a mouthful just for questioning what he wrote and then accused of being one thing or another off the back of it along with a barrage of swear words.Level headed manner? I think not. Maybe when discussing historical or political discussion points but point out the finer point or fact a fundamental law or practice guidance has been broken and the flimsy house of cards he resides in comes tumbling down.

you are avoiding bringing your friend I respond in kind ?

I've sent him your questions.

He's only just got back from a four week trip to India as a family member wasn't well and it was Ramadan so I'm sure he's got stuff going on.

He'll get back to me and I'll get back to you. He was intrigued by your actions and interested. He's some kind of priest or equivalent I guess as he leads the prayers at work. Other than that all I know is he knows the Quaran word for word and was sent to a boarding school of some kind, I keep telling him it was borstal by the insists it was a school of some kind. Top bloke so he'll respond when he has chance.

 

Cant wait hes hindustani one of my Teachers was an Ayatollah originally from Lucknow the most famous islamic university in India. a Hafiz knows the Qran word for word but does he understand it? lots of the suicide bombers are Hafiz Qran but dont understand a word of it they were taught parrot fashion as children.

Edited August 19, 2014 by desertbred

[desertbred 5,490]

 

 

 

 

 

 

simple question if it was not for your daughters education would you have still chosen to live here and yes i do know the answer as you have said it before what your intentions for the future are, so basically your here for what this country can give you and your family once you have achieved this your off back to Iran, sorry but that is exactly what is wrong with immigration

But I have paid national insurance and tax here when I was young still pay taxes now I am old my wife worked in NHS till he retirement am I not entitled to have my daughter educated I and my wife will also get an OAP I will give mine two two village schools we finance in Afghanistan, My Father Fought in the Aliied forces inThialand and Burma during the war my mother worked in Cromwell hospital in London and Monsall fever hospital in Manchester one of my wifes ubcles Haidar Ali was awarded the VC in 1945 I think we have some justifiable right dont you?

 

thats as may be but you still see it as "us" and "them" and thats your own words not mine

 

answer the question I have entitlement or not dont side step and waffle

 

why not you have been doing it all day

 

youy are a joke as a moderator no pun intended

 

ask me if i care,

 

now ask me

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

simple question if it was not for your daughters education would you have still chosen to live here and yes i do know the answer as you have said it before what your intentions for the future are, so basically your here for what this country can give you and your family once you have achieved this your off back to Iran, sorry but that is exactly what is wrong with immigration

But I have paid national insurance and tax here when I was young still pay taxes now I am old my wife worked in NHS till he retirement am I not entitled to have my daughter educated I and my wife will also get an OAP I will give mine two two village schools we finance in Afghanistan, My Father Fought in the Aliied forces inThialand and Burma during the war my mother worked in Cromwell hospital in London and Monsall fever hospital in Manchester one of my wifes ubcles Haidar Ali was awarded the VC in 1945 I think we have some justifiable right dont you?

 

thats as may be but you still see it as "us" and "them" and thats your own words not mine

 

answer the question I have entitlement or not dont side step and waffle

 

why not you have been doing it all day

 

youy are a joke as a moderator no pun intended

 

ask me if i care,

 

now ask me

 

there you go then at least we have that in common

[hutch6 550]

 

 

simple question if it was not for your daughters education would you have still chosen to live here and yes i do know the answer as you have said it before what your intentions for the future are, so basically your here for what this country can give you and your family once you have achieved this your off back to Iran, sorry but that is exactly what is wrong with immigration

But I have paid national insurance and tax here when I was young still pay taxes now I am old my wife worked in NHS till he retirement am I not entitled to have my daughter educated I and my wife will also get an OAP I will give mine two two village schools we finance in Afghanistan, My Father Fought in the Aliied forces inThialand and Burma during the war my mother worked in Cromwell hospital in London and Monsall fever hospital in Manchester one of my wifes ubcles Haidar Ali was awarded the VC in 1945 I think we have some justifiable right dont you?

Personally, and mean this in the nicest way, but no.....I don't think you have any "right""Right" implies that you are owed something, and if your committed to the team for life then fair enough, however if you simply hitching a ride for all you can get out of it until such times as you are ready to get off the bus then that is a parasitic relationship and to my mind you should have been shown the door.As I said, not trying to be horrible, just expressing my honest take on things

I have to disagree.

 

Loads of young families wait until their kids have got an established education and then become citizens of other countries, a few good friends have done the exact same thing.

 

If you abide by the system then you have every right to what the system has to offer. You haven't signed a contract for a life in the UK. I could take my education and go off to countries that have accepted me, that puts me in the same boat as Desert. He's paid into the system (more than can be said some) and played by the rules and he has the right.

 

To have the right doesn't mean you are owed it means you are entitled which totally different.

 

Mushroom has, I assume a UK education but chooses to apply that abroad. Isn't any different really.

 

If anyone is to blame it's the system but that system states that Desert and his family is entitled to or has the right to a state education and the same opportunities as anyone else's child.

[hutch6 550]

 

 

 

 

Despite the fact that I detest the fact that your "only here for the beer" Desertbred, as you said that when all is said and done you will be going back (in a previous thread) I have to say I admire the way you continue to stand your ground in a fairly level headed manner despite a barrage of disagreement.Fair play to you chap.

Are you kidding?I got a mouthful just for questioning what he wrote and then accused of being one thing or another off the back of it along with a barrage of swear words.Level headed manner? I think not. Maybe when discussing historical or political discussion points but point out the finer point or fact a fundamental law or practice guidance has been broken and the flimsy house of cards he resides in comes tumbling down.

you are avoiding bringing your friend I respond in kind ?

I've sent him your questions.He's only just got back from a four week trip to India as a family member wasn't well and it was Ramadan so I'm sure he's got stuff going on.He'll get back to me and I'll get back to you. He was intrigued by your actions and interested. He's some kind of priest or equivalent I guess as he leads the prayers at work. Other than that all I know is he knows the Quaran word for word and was sent to a boarding school of some kind, I keep telling him it was borstal by the insists it was a school of some kind. Top bloke so he'll respond when he has chance.

Cant wait hes hindustani one of my Teachers was an Ayatollah originally from Lucknow the most famous islamic university in India. a Hafiz knows the Qran word for word but does he understand it? lots of the suicide bombers are Hafiz Qran but dont understand a word of it they were taught parrot fashion as children.

Straight over my nogging but sounds impressive.

[desertbred 5,490]

Wilf top comment and seconded I respect the chap too.

Desert I am skirting the boundaries as that is the facts it was rhetorical

but do answer the questions please

The Qran when first revealed talked of stoning later it was revised and suggested to confine the woman in home, The Christian Bible also talks of stoning and didnt Jesus sayx"Let him without sin cast the first stone that would apply in is;lam also a s jesus is also one of our prophets, Alcohol; was permitted when the fist parts of the Qran were revealed but later it was made forbidden because of the negative effects it has, Many muslims disregard this ban and drink maybe half the ones who get involved in the shit behaviour are drinking and drug taking. No woman child or even male deserves or should be raped In Saudia rapists are hanged , I am not a fan of Saudis but some of the punishments are well thought out drug trafficking rape robbery all carry the Death penalty. It does not matter colour religion or cast no one could justify rape in the begining of the Qran sexual relations with slave girls were permitted later they were forbidden outside marriage , When the final revalations of the Qran were made it was complete for all time no changes but orders laws Hadiths have to be read from various verses and chapters before a judgement or afinal definative order is given Awoman can approach the Shariat court for a Divorce if justifiable grounds are their it is much easier for the male to divorce though just by pronouncing it I didnt write the Qran so dont ask me to justify it

[WILF 46,811]

 

 

 

simple question if it was not for your daughters education would you have still chosen to live here and yes i do know the answer as you have said it before what your intentions for the future are, so basically your here for what this country can give you and your family once you have achieved this your off back to Iran, sorry but that is exactly what is wrong with immigration

But I have paid national insurance and tax here when I was young still pay taxes now I am old my wife worked in NHS till he retirement am I not entitled to have my daughter educated I and my wife will also get an OAP I will give mine two two village schools we finance in Afghanistan, My Father Fought in the Aliied forces inThialand and Burma during the war my mother worked in Cromwell hospital in London and Monsall fever hospital in Manchester one of my wifes ubcles Haidar Ali was awarded the VC in 1945 I think we have some justifiable right dont you?

Personally, and mean this in the nicest way, but no.....I don't think you have any "right""Right" implies that you are owed something, and if your committed to the team for life then fair enough, however if you simply hitching a ride for all you can get out of it until such times as you are ready to get off the bus then that is a parasitic relationship and to my mind you should have been shown the door.As I said, not trying to be horrible, just expressing my honest take on things

I have to disagree.

Loads of young families wait until their kids have got an established education and then become citizens of other countries, a few good friends have done the exact same thing.

If you abide by the system then you have every right to what the system has to offer. You haven't signed a contract for a life in the UK. I could take my education and go off to countries that have accepted me, that puts me in the same boat as Desert. He's paid into the system (more than can be said some) and played by the rules and he has the right.

To have the right doesn't mean you are owed it means you are entitled which totally different.

Mushroom has, I assume a UK education but chooses to apply that abroad. Isn't any different really.

If anyone is to blame it's the system but that system states that Desert and his family is entitled to or has the right to a state education and the same opportunities as anyone else's child.

Fair point, but as I said it's just my opinion.

Don't trumpet the virtues of another place when that place wasn't good enough to feed, cloth or educate your family.......don't come to another country and use what they have to benefit the country that wouldn't give you those things in the first place

JMHO

[paulus 26]

 

Wilf top comment and seconded I respect the chap too.

Desert I am skirting the boundaries as that is the facts it was rhetorical

but do answer the questions please

The Qran when first revealed talked of stoning later it was revised and suggested to confine the woman in home, The Christian Bible also talks of stoning and didnt Jesus sayx"Let him without sin cast the first stone that would apply in is;lam also a s jesus is also one of our prophets, Alcohol; was permitted when the fist parts of the Qran were revealed but later it was made forbidden because of the negative effects it has, Many muslims disregard this ban and drink maybe half the ones who get involved in the shit behaviour are drinking and drug taking. No woman child or even male deserves or should be raped In Saudia rapists are hanged , I am not a fan of Saudis but some of the punishments are well thought out drug trafficking rape robbery all carry the Death penalty. It does not matter colour religion or cast no one could justify rape in the begining of the Qran sexual relations with slave girls were permitted later they were forbidden outside marriage , When the final revalations of the Qran were made it was complete for all time no changes but orders laws Hadiths have to be read from various verses and chapters before a judgement or afinal definative order is given Awoman can approach the Shariat court for a Divorce if justifiable grounds are their it is much easier for the male to divorce though just by pronouncing it I didnt write the Qran so dont ask me to justify it

 

but women are still stoned in Muslim countries but not here for century's so not all are confined to home