Whats The Most Peaceful Religion?

[Ggib 370]

  On 18/08/2014 at 12:37, desertbred said:

 

  On 18/08/2014 at 11:40, mushroom said:

Desert come on mate you have to admit the silence from the muslim community is bloody deafening

I one hundred per cent agree my pet gripe is with the Arabs especially Sauds of Arabia theyfinance shit and keep quiet when groups like Quaeda. Taliban ,Boka Haram and Shabab appear. Alot of people point a finger at Iran we support islam we dont accept Isreal and dont accept the terror groups We have Hezbollah specifically for fighting against Isreal we have Jews living in Iran so we are against tjhe state of the zionists not the people. Muslims have divisions but they are for us to sort out is it not terrorism to kill innocent women and children be it Palastinian, Jew Christion Yazidi or any other innocent party if some one attacks me I will defend my self and my faith how many countries have Hezbollah attacked ? Silence usually signifies collusion and financing in my limited knowledge.

 

desertbred what do you think the answer is in your mind to get peace in the middle east again? they could get so much recognition through tourism, but at the miniute i wouldnt send a dog there

[desertbred 5,490]

America needs to stop it unreserved support for Isreal , jews lived in Palastine for hundreds if not thousands of years before 1947 along side every other tribe and religion, the jews have been persecuted around the world much more than they ever where in Palastine. Simple point land was taken from the Palastinians and Isreal formed leaving Palastinians with less than 35% of their country what would any country do in the world given the same situation Scotland is asking for a referendum for independence Palastinians had their land stolen and even the West Bank and Gaza are still being occupied on a daily basis for new jewifsh settlements, Jews and muslims have a common religious history dating back to Abraham. Peace in the Middle East I dont honestly know but a start would be to Get rid of the Arab monachies in Arabia , Jordan, Qatar Kuwait as even in islam there is no concept of a king.Then let The people of Palastine ,Arabs , jews what ever religion Jew Muslim Christian negotiate a just settlement to live in a country they shared previously. Politics and oil revenue disturb the whole world, As for religion a mans faith is his own concern dont force any one to observe yours and dont any body interfere in any ones own personal beliefs.

Edited August 18, 2014 by desertbred

[Guest ragumup]

"Racist tenancy's" like its a bad thing,

 

Besides you have your sharia law that Muslims want to impose on everyone and in every case is discriminatory against the non-muslims

 

Take one of your five pillows, zakat (charity) , muslims will say its for the old sick & poor which is true ,and that muslims are more generous than everyone at giving to charity.

But what they forget to tell you is its compulsory and the money generated goes ONLY to muslims and a percentage goes to funding jihad !

[Guest ragumup]

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[desertbred 5,490]

  On 18/08/2014 at 21:28, ragumup said:

"Racist tenancy's" like its a bad thing,

 

Besides you have your sharia law that Muslims want to impose on everyone and in every case is discriminatory against the non-muslims

 

Take one of your five pillows, zakat (charity) , muslims will say its for the old sick & poor which is true ,and that muslims are more generous than everyone at giving to charity.

But what they forget to tell you is its compulsory and the money generated goes ONLY to muslims and a percentage goes to funding jihad !

Zakat is a tax on wealth only people with property they rent business , gold or high earnings pay it. It is two and a half per cent which compares to the 20% income tax here.. The zakat is placed in the Baitul Mall and distributed to widows orphans and the needy NONE of the zakat goes to Jihad you dont know what you are talking about or the information you are being fed is incorrect. There is no unique Arab and Palastinian culture it is the same dating back to Adam also religious aspects are common from Abraham through to Mohammad and the present day traditions and culture are excactly the same in the Arab peninsula youagain are printing shite..Palastine was originally called Canaan and existed before Moses led the Jews out of Egypt into Canaan the Jews descend from Twelve tribes all the sons of Jacob so again you are talking bollocks Palistinians existed before Jacobs 12 sons dont try to teach things you know feck all about and caring for ones own isnt racist and Shariat applies to Muslims no one else where as you want to impose your western laws on everyone else as through out history Britain has ,especially through the empire the commonwealth and the crusades which indidently you lost also so go get some more facts , till you find some thing that supports your way of thinking I use the word " thinking loosely"

Edited August 19, 2014 by desertbred

[paulus 26]

  On 19/08/2014 at 06:45, desertbred said:

 

  On 18/08/2014 at 21:28, ragumup said:

"Racist tenancy's" like its a bad thing,

 

Besides you have your sharia law that Muslims want to impose on everyone and in every case is discriminatory against the non-muslims

 

Take one of your five pillows, zakat (charity) , muslims will say its for the old sick & poor which is true ,and that muslims are more generous than everyone at giving to charity.

But what they forget to tell you is its compulsory and the money generated goes ONLY to muslims and a percentage goes to funding jihad !

Zakat is a tax on wealth only people with property they rent business , gold or high earnings pay it. It is two and a half per cent which compares to the 20% income tax here.. The zakat is placed in the Baitul Mall and distributed to widows orphans and the needy NONE of the zakat goes to Jihad you dont know what you are talking about or the information you are being fed is incorrect. There is no unique Arab and Palastinian culture it is the same dating back to Adam also religious aspects are common from Abraham through to Mohammad and the present day traditions and culture are excactly the same in the Arab peninsula youagain are printing shite..Palistine was originally called Canaan and existed before Moses led the Jews out of Egypt into Canaan the Jews descend from Rwelve tribes all the sons of Jacob so again you are talking bollocks Palistinians existed before Jacobs 12 sons dont try to teach things you know feck all about and caring for ones ownisnt racist and Shariat applies to Muslims no one els 2where as you want to impose your western laws on everyone else as through out history Britain has especially through the empire the commonwealth and the crusades which indidently you lost also so go get some more facts rag brain

 

i would agree apart from the fact if you don't agree with western laws then why chose to live in a western country plenty of Islamic ones to choose from, this is the thing i fail to understand, if i did not like the sea i wouldnt move to the coast and then blame the sea for being there!

[desertbred 5,490]

  On 19/08/2014 at 06:51, paulus said:

 

  On 19/08/2014 at 06:45, desertbred said:

 

  On 18/08/2014 at 21:28, ragumup said:

"Racist tenancy's" like its a bad thing,

 

Besides you have your sharia law that Muslims want to impose on everyone and in every case is discriminatory against the non-muslims

 

Take one of your five pillows, zakat (charity) , muslims will say its for the old sick & poor which is true ,and that muslims are more generous than everyone at giving to charity.

But what they forget to tell you is its compulsory and the money generated goes ONLY to muslims and a percentage goes to funding jihad !

Zakat is a tax on wealth only people with property they rent business , gold or high earnings pay it. It is two and a half per cent which compares to the 20% income tax here.. The zakat is placed in the Baitul Mall and distributed to widows orphans and the needy NONE of the zakat goes to Jihad you dont know what you are talking about or the information you are being fed is incorrect. There is no unique Arab and Palastinian culture it is the same dating back to Adam also religious aspects are common from Abraham through to Mohammad and the present day traditions and culture are excactly the same in the Arab peninsula youagain are printing shite..Palistine was originally called Canaan and existed before Moses led the Jews out of Egypt into Canaan the Jews descend from Rwelve tribes all the sons of Jacob so again you are talking bollocks Palistinians existed before Jacobs 12 sons dont try to teach things you know feck all about and caring for ones ownisnt racist and Shariat applies to Muslims no one else where as you want to impose your western laws on everyone else as through out history Britain has especially through the empire the commonwealth and the crusades which indidently you lost also so go get some more facts rag brain

 

i would agree apart from the fact if you don't agree with western laws then why chose to live in a western country plenty of Islamic ones to choose from, this is the thing i fail to understand, if i did not like the sea i wouldnt move to the coast and then blame the sea for being there!

 

I abide by western laws here they are not against my islamic belief, if they were I would ignore them just the same as lads choose to ignore the hunting with dogs act.the point I made is thatb Britain tried and in fact still does try to impose its laws around the world.

Edited August 19, 2014 by desertbred

[paulus 26]

  On 19/08/2014 at 07:00, desertbred said:

 

  On 19/08/2014 at 06:51, paulus said:

 

  On 19/08/2014 at 06:45, desertbred said:

 

  On 18/08/2014 at 21:28, ragumup said:

"Racist tenancy's" like its a bad thing,

 

Besides you have your sharia law that Muslims want to impose on everyone and in every case is discriminatory against the non-muslims

 

Take one of your five pillows, zakat (charity) , muslims will say its for the old sick & poor which is true ,and that muslims are more generous than everyone at giving to charity.

But what they forget to tell you is its compulsory and the money generated goes ONLY to muslims and a percentage goes to funding jihad !

Zakat is a tax on wealth only people with property they rent business , gold or high earnings pay it. It is two and a half per cent which compares to the 20% income tax here.. The zakat is placed in the Baitul Mall and distributed to widows orphans and the needy NONE of the zakat goes to Jihad you dont know what you are talking about or the information you are being fed is incorrect. There is no unique Arab and Palastinian culture it is the same dating back to Adam also religious aspects are common from Abraham through to Mohammad and the present day traditions and culture are excactly the same in the Arab peninsula youagain are printing shite..Palistine was originally called Canaan and existed before Moses led the Jews out of Egypt into Canaan the Jews descend from Rwelve tribes all the sons of Jacob so again you are talking bollocks Palistinians existed before Jacobs 12 sons dont try to teach things you know feck all about and caring for ones ownisnt racist and Shariat applies to Muslims no one else where as you want to impose your western laws on everyone else as through out history Britain has especially through the empire the commonwealth and the crusades which indidently you lost also so go get some more facts rag brain

 

i would agree apart from the fact if you don't agree with western laws then why chose to live in a western country plenty of Islamic ones to choose from, this is the thing i fail to understand, if i did not like the sea i wouldnt move to the coast and then blame the sea for being there!

 

I abide by western laws here they are not against my islamic belief, if they were I would ignore them just the same as lads choose to ignore the hunting with dogs act.the point I made is thatb Britain tried and in fact still does try to impose its laws around the world.

 

they also get asked to help in other countries like the situation with ISIS, seems a little two faced to call us one minute then ask us for help the next. if you abide by western laws and choose to live in the west then why the need to impose your own laws?

[desertbred 5,490]

invited by whom ? dont forget Iran is a terror state according to the West but now it suits western governments they are talking and in cahoots with us, so who are two faced? the West was invited and have jumped in because the established regimes they support are under threat . primarily Saudia and Isreal Most of the shite and unrest was started by Britain and America in Iraq and now in Syria by regime change you also are selective in the points you raise

Edited August 19, 2014 by desertbred

[desertbred 5,490]

  On 19/08/2014 at 07:14, desertbred said:

invited by whom ? dont forget Iran is a terror state qaccording to the West but now it suits western governments they are talking and in cahoots with us, so who are two faced? the West was invited and have jumped in because the established regimes they support are under threat . primarily Saudia and Isreal Most of the shite and unrest was started by Britain and America in Iraq and now in Syria by regime change you also are selective in the points you raise, shariat law applies to me and my family I dont impose it on any one else.

[paulus 26]

  On 19/08/2014 at 07:14, desertbred said:

invited by whom ? dont forget Iran is a terror state qaccording to the West but now it suits western governments they are talking and in cahoots with us, so who are two faced? the West was invited and have jumped in because the established regimes they support are under threat . primarily Saudia and Isreal Most of the shite and unrest was started by Britain and America in Iraq and now in Syria by regime change you also are selective in the points you raise

takes two to agree on an alliance so goes both ways

[blackmaggie 3,377]

  On 19/08/2014 at 07:00, desertbred said:

 

  On 19/08/2014 at 06:51, paulus said:

 

  On 19/08/2014 at 06:45, desertbred said:

 

  On 18/08/2014 at 21:28, ragumup said:

"Racist tenancy's" like its a bad thing,

 

Besides you have your sharia law that Muslims want to impose on everyone and in every case is discriminatory against the non-muslims

 

Take one of your five pillows, zakat (charity) , muslims will say its for the old sick & poor which is true ,and that muslims are more generous than everyone at giving to charity.

But what they forget to tell you is its compulsory and the money generated goes ONLY to muslims and a percentage goes to funding jihad !

Zakat is a tax on wealth only people with property they rent business , gold or high earnings pay it. It is two and a half per cent which compares to the 20% income tax here.. The zakat is placed in the Baitul Mall and distributed to widows orphans and the needy NONE of the zakat goes to Jihad you dont know what you are talking about or the information you are being fed is incorrect. There is no unique Arab and Palastinian culture it is the same dating back to Adam also religious aspects are common from Abraham through to Mohammad and the present day traditions and culture are excactly the same in the Arab peninsula youagain are printing shite..Palistine was originally called Canaan and existed before Moses led the Jews out of Egypt into Canaan the Jews descend from Rwelve tribes all the sons of Jacob so again you are talking bollocks Palistinians existed before Jacobs 12 sons dont try to teach things you know feck all about and caring for ones ownisnt racist and Shariat applies to Muslims no one else where as you want to impose your western laws on everyone else as through out history Britain has especially through the empire the commonwealth and the crusades which indidently you lost also so go get some more facts rag brain

 

i would agree apart from the fact if you don't agree with western laws then why chose to live in a western country plenty of Islamic ones to choose from, this is the thing i fail to understand, if i did not like the sea i wouldnt move to the coast and then blame the sea for being there!

 

I abide by western laws here they are not against my islamic belief, if they were I would ignore them just the same as lads choose to ignore the hunting with dogs act.the point I made is thatb Britain tried and in fact still does try to impose its laws around the world.

 

you choose to abide by the laws set out in this country but the fact theres sharia law courts and banking systems in place says not all muslims think like you and some do want sharia and has you say if they were against your beliefs you would ignore them but surely the law in whatever land you are stands for everyone regardless of what faith or beliefs you have without the need for another law thats alien to that land but were do you get britain his trying to impose its own laws in the middle east

Edited August 19, 2014 by blackmaggie

[desertbred 5,490]

  On 19/08/2014 at 07:29, blackmaggie said:

 

  On 19/08/2014 at 07:00, desertbred said:

 

  On 19/08/2014 at 06:51, paulus said:

 

  On 19/08/2014 at 06:45, desertbred said:

 

  On 18/08/2014 at 21:28, ragumup said:

"Racist tenancy's" like its a bad thing,

 

Besides you have your sharia law that Muslims want to impose on everyone and in every case is discriminatory against the non-muslims

 

Take one of your five pillows, zakat (charity) , muslims will say its for the old sick & poor which is true ,and that muslims are more generous than everyone at giving to charity.

But what they forget to tell you is its compulsory and the money generated goes ONLY to muslims and a percentage goes to funding jihad !

Zakat is a tax on wealth only people with property they rent business , gold or high earnings pay it. It is two and a half per cent which compares to the 20% income tax here.. The zakat is placed in the Baitul Mall and distributed to widows orphans and the needy NONE of the zakat goes to Jihad you dont know what you are talking about or the information you are being fed is incorrect. There is no unique Arab and Palastinian culture it is the same dating back to Adam also religious aspects are common from Abraham through to Mohammad and the present day traditions and culture are excactly the same in the Arab peninsula youagain are printing shite..Palistine was originally called Canaan and existed before Moses led the Jews out of Egypt into Canaan the Jews descend from Rwelve tribes all the sons of Jacob so again you are talking bollocks Palistinians existed before Jacobs 12 sons dont try to teach things you know feck all about and caring for ones ownisnt racist and Shariat applies to Muslims no one else where as you want to impose your western laws on everyone else as through out history Britain has especially through the empire the commonwealth and the crusades which indidently you lost also so go get some more facts rag brain

 

i would agree apart from the fact if you don't agree with western laws then why chose to live in a western country plenty of Islamic ones to choose from, this is the thing i fail to understand, if i did not like the sea i wouldnt move to the coast and then blame the sea for being there!

 

I abide by western laws here they are not against my islamic belief, if they were I would ignore them just the same as lads choose to ignore the hunting with dogs act.the point I made is thatb Britain tried and in fact still does try to impose its laws around the world.

 

you choose to abide by the laws set out in this country but the fact theres sharia law courts and banking systems in place says not all muslims think like you and some do want sharia and has you say if they were against your beliefs you would ignore them but surely the law in whatever land you are stands for everyone regardless of what faith or beliefs you have

 

So if the Government here passed a law saying Halal meat is illegal you would expect me to eat Haram meat "It is not going to happen." What is wrong with islamic banking? it is operated on a profit and loss basis and not extortianate interest base so which system is better in fact the old co-operative company here used to be owned by the shoppers and was run on the same basis of profit and loss the people used to get dividends.Shariat courts are used to settle things like marimonial disputes and financial transaction they have no jurisdiction over criminal activity.,basically they are an islamic group controlled by certain laws relevant to muslim family living, just the same as clubs and organisations have their own rules and regulations, In the Roman Empire did the Christians observe the laws of Rome because they lived in the Roman Empire? if they did Christianity would have disappeared your reasoning does not bare scrutiny.

Edited August 19, 2014 by desertbred

[Ggib 370]

you seem very knowledgible desertbred, but if he muslims are so unhappy in their countries of origin, why do they drag islam and preach on the streets of christain europe where they are living a much better life?

[paulus 26]

  On 19/08/2014 at 07:39, desertbred said:

 

  On 19/08/2014 at 07:29, blackmaggie said:

 

  On 19/08/2014 at 07:00, desertbred said:

 

  On 19/08/2014 at 06:51, paulus said:

 

  On 19/08/2014 at 06:45, desertbred said:

 

  On 18/08/2014 at 21:28, ragumup said:

"Racist tenancy's" like its a bad thing,

 

Besides you have your sharia law that Muslims want to impose on everyone and in every case is discriminatory against the non-muslims

 

Take one of your five pillows, zakat (charity) , muslims will say its for the old sick & poor which is true ,and that muslims are more generous than everyone at giving to charity.

But what they forget to tell you is its compulsory and the money generated goes ONLY to muslims and a percentage goes to funding jihad !

Zakat is a tax on wealth only people with property they rent business , gold or high earnings pay it. It is two and a half per cent which compares to the 20% income tax here.. The zakat is placed in the Baitul Mall and distributed to widows orphans and the needy NONE of the zakat goes to Jihad you dont know what you are talking about or the information you are being fed is incorrect. There is no unique Arab and Palastinian culture it is the same dating back to Adam also religious aspects are common from Abraham through to Mohammad and the present day traditions and culture are excactly the same in the Arab peninsula youagain are printing shite..Palistine was originally called Canaan and existed before Moses led the Jews out of Egypt into Canaan the Jews descend from Rwelve tribes all the sons of Jacob so again you are talking bollocks Palistinians existed before Jacobs 12 sons dont try to teach things you know feck all about and caring for ones ownisnt racist and Shariat applies to Muslims no one else where as you want to impose your western laws on everyone else as through out history Britain has especially through the empire the commonwealth and the crusades which indidently you lost also so go get some more facts rag brain

 

i would agree apart from the fact if you don't agree with western laws then why chose to live in a western country plenty of Islamic ones to choose from, this is the thing i fail to understand, if i did not like the sea i wouldnt move to the coast and then blame the sea for being there!

 

I abide by western laws here they are not against my islamic belief, if they were I would ignore them just the same as lads choose to ignore the hunting with dogs act.the point I made is thatb Britain tried and in fact still does try to impose its laws around the world.

 

you choose to abide by the laws set out in this country but the fact theres sharia law courts and banking systems in place says not all muslims think like you and some do want sharia and has you say if they were against your beliefs you would ignore them but surely the law in whatever land you are stands for everyone regardless of what faith or beliefs you have

 

So if the Government here passed a law saying Halal meat is illegal you would expect me to eat Haram meat "It is not going to happen." What is wrong with islamic banking? it is operated on a profit and loss basis and not extortianate interest base so which system is better in fact the old co-operative company here used to be owned by the shoppers and was run on the same basis of profit and loss the people used to get dividends.Shariat courts are used to settle things like marimonial disputes and financial transaction they have no jurisdiction over criminal activity.,basically they are an islamic group controlled by certain laws relevant to muslim family living, just the same as clubs and organisations have their own rules and regulations, In the Roman Empire did the Christians observe the laws of Rome because they lived in the Roman Empire? if they did Christianity would have disappeared your reasoning does not bare scrutiny.

 

that would depend upon what that law said, if Halal or indeed Kosher is just the prayer then i see no problem but if its the unstunned version then it goes against established industry standards, why should this be changed for a small minority who chose to live here, again the same with the banking system and our court system, do you realise the irony of the Roman quote reverse it