God

[beast 1,884]

the question "how did we get here", why is it so important? as far as i'm concerned, the question has no bearing on my life. what is important is how we behave now that we are here! and that stands true whether you are religious or not.

[Born Hunter 17,751]

 

 

Gnasher, I think cc is slightly out with his figure. You're correct. The age is calculated from the current rate of expansion and reversed back to the 'singularity' that was the Big Bang. Corrections have been applied as more accurate measurements of expansion have been made etc.

 

Yep thats it.......after all whats 300 million years between friends

Until the next correction

Corrections are applied to all measurements. Including for instance the circumference of the earth or the height of a mountain. It's hardly a big deal. As our understanding improves our measurements become more precise. That's the nature of science and it's done us pretty well to date.

[paulus 26]

il put you outa your misery its fraz,reset settings forgot password,hence new id

frazdog, were you not the one who was convinced the Freemasons were behind the cover up of paedophile rings. i can reset your password if you want to use your old account,

[BigBrianBorou 35]

an still do paulas lad,ok thaks

[Blackbriar 8,569]

I've been making all my decisions only after thinking 'What would Jesus do?', and I an tell you that it's had a major impact on my life.........

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.............I'm being crucified tomorrow !

[charlie caller 3,654]

 

 

Spirit is the living energy within everything, the fact is that none of us was their 30 billion years ago when the big bang happened, so none of us know for sure, but Adam and Eve ffs, what a load of bo***cks.

Im just curious,this one always makes me smile.............you say the big bang happened 30 billion years ago......wikipedia will say it was between 13.7 - 14 million years ago.........for what evolutionists call " factual evidence " 16 billion years is quite a large difference,its not exactly a few months is it.....being based on solid facts of course.

Gnasher, I think cc is slightly out with his figure. You're correct. The age is calculated from the current rate of expansion and reversed back to the 'singularity' that was the Big Bang. Corrections have been applied as more accurate measurements of expansion have been made etc.

 

Who cares, it was a long time ago, thats for sure

[Born Hunter 17,751]

 

 

Gnasher, I think cc is slightly out with his figure. You're correct. The age is calculated from the current rate of expansion and reversed back to the 'singularity' that was the Big Bang. Corrections have been applied as more accurate measurements of expansion have been made etc.

 

Who cares, it was a long time ago, thats for sure

 

 

I agree, in the context of your point it was irrelavent. But I won't have people using something like that as an excuse to ridicule the theory itself. You missquoted the value, hardly significant is it? LOL.

 

I don't even understand why there's this Big Bang vs God argument. TBBT was largely welcomed by theists because it allowed for the existence of God as the big bang itself is a creation type event.

[gnasher16 30,025]

 

 

 

Spirit is the living energy within everything, the fact is that none of us was their 30 billion years ago when the big bang happened, so none of us know for sure, but Adam and Eve ffs, what a load of bo***cks.

Im just curious,this one always makes me smile.............you say the big bang happened 30 billion years ago......wikipedia will say it was between 13.7 - 14 million years ago.........for what evolutionists call " factual evidence " 16 billion years is quite a large difference,its not exactly a few months is it.....being based on solid facts of course.

Gnasher, I think cc is slightly out with his figure. You're correct. The age is calculated from the current rate of expansion and reversed back to the 'singularity' that was the Big Bang. Corrections have been applied as more accurate measurements of expansion have been made etc.

 

Who cares, it was a long time ago, thats for sure

 

When something is being claimed as " scientific fact " id say its pretty important.............if a correction was made to the Battle of Hastings and it was actually 1056 not 1066 we would start to question how a fact could be 10 years out.............................facts about the big bang are allowed to be 300 million years out but we,re still told its scientific fact !........................i mean why not just say..... " we dont know yet but we,ll tell you when we do know "

[Born Hunter 17,751]

 

When something is being claimed as " scientific fact " id say its pretty important.............if a correction was made to the Battle of Hastings and it was actually 1056 not 1066 we would start to question how a fact could be 10 years out.............................facts about the big bang are allowed to be 300 million years out but we,re still told its scientific fact !........................i mean why not just say..... " we dont know yet but we,ll tell you when we do know "

 

 

Gnasher, every measured quantity known to man has a error with it. Your height, your weight, the speed of your car etc etc. The error in the calculated age of the universe spans 2% of the value. Considering that that is an indirect measurement from observations made on objects that are on the cosmic distance scale, I'd say that's not too shody.

Edited August 22, 2014 by Born Hunter

[charlie caller 3,654]

Point taken Gnasher, but it was not my intention to be spot on, it was a guess, perhaps to remove any possibility of pedantic replies I should have included, the words OR WHATEVER, after the 30 billion or whatever I said, I really could not care less when it went bang to be honest, but one thing I am quite sure of is the earth is not 6 thousand years old

[paulus 26]

either way even one million years is far, far greater than the four to six thousand years that creationist believe that figure itself has an error margin of thirty three point three,three percent recurring as opposed to the three percent in the stated big bang figures

[gnasher16 30,025]

 

 

When something is being claimed as " scientific fact " id say its pretty important.............if a correction was made to the Battle of Hastings and it was actually 1056 not 1066 we would start to question how a fact could be 10 years out.............................facts about the big bang are allowed to be 300 million years out but we,re still told its scientific fact !........................i mean why not just say..... " we dont know yet but we,ll tell you when we do know "

 

 

Gnasher, every measured quantity known to man has a error with it. Your height, your weight, the speed of your car etc etc. The error in the calculated age of the universe spans 2% of the value. Considering that that is an indirect measurement from observations made on objects that are on the cosmic distance scale, I'd say that's not too shody.

 

 

I get that scientific theory is only based on probable facts.....i get that......but when its used in debates of this nature as being FACTS THAT CANNOT BE DENIED as some folk on this topic have preached.... it tells me theres a fine line between fact and guesswork................in this case that fine line being 300 million years !

 

The 2% error is like me telling you im 6 foot 2 when im only 6 foot......ok i accept one is a touch harder to measure than the other ....but again it would be glaringly obvious when you stood in front of me if i told you it was a FACT possibly throwing into doubt any other facts i told you.

 

I dont know why science isnt just viewed as research until such time as somethings proven as fact.

[gnasher16 30,025]

either way even one million years is far, far greater than the four to six thousand years that creationist believe that figure itself has an error margin of thirty three point three,three percent recurring as opposed to the three percent in the stated big bang figures

 

But do creationists lay claim to facts ?......most believers ive spoken to have exactly that,a belief.......they dont claim anything as factual evidence as evolutionists do.....well apart from Brian that is

[paulus 26]

 

 

 

When something is being claimed as " scientific fact " id say its pretty important.............if a correction was made to the Battle of Hastings and it was actually 1056 not 1066 we would start to question how a fact could be 10 years out.............................facts about the big bang are allowed to be 300 million years out but we,re still told its scientific fact !........................i mean why not just say..... " we dont know yet but we,ll tell you when we do know "

 

 

Gnasher, every measured quantity known to man has a error with it. Your height, your weight, the speed of your car etc etc. The error in the calculated age of the universe spans 2% of the value. Considering that that is an indirect measurement from observations made on objects that are on the cosmic distance scale, I'd say that's not too shody.

 

 

I get that scientific theory is only based on probable facts.....i get that......but when its used in debates of this nature as being FACTS THAT CANNOT BE DENIED as some folk on this topic have preached.... it tells me theres a fine line between fact and guesswork................in this case that fine line being 300 million years !

 

The 2% error is like me telling you im 6 foot 2 when im only 6 foot......ok i accept one is a touch harder to measure than the other ....but again it would be glaringly obvious when you stood in front of me if i told you it was a FACT possibly throwing into doubt any other facts i told you.

 

I dont know why science isnt just viewed as research until such time as somethings proven as fact.

 

wouldn't that also apply to religion

[paulus 26]

 

either way even one million years is far, far greater than the four to six thousand years that creationist believe that figure itself has an error margin of thirty three point three,three percent recurring as opposed to the three percent in the stated big bang figures

 

But do creationists lay claim to facts ?......most believers ive spoken to have exactly that,a belief.......they dont claim anything as factual evidence as evolutionists do.....well apart from Brian that is

 

i have asked a few this question the last one was a relation sat in the mother in laws kitchen, why choose religion, always get a similar answer, the last one was "i am in a far better place now" i dont get that as the last time i saw him before then he was sitting in the same chair in the same kitchen