morton 5,368 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 What's funny fraz ??? .........Your shrinking little toes? Is it the toe? Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 And water is not "of the earth" unless anyone can explain how water managed on a molten ball of iron? Life is generally accepted to have started in the sea, the water in the sea came from space, so we are "aliens" logic..... could have been frozen on an asteroid that collided with the earth so we are the aliens Could anything survive a molten ball of iron Paulus, i doubt it? and all the water came from asteroids made of ice supposedly? so life must have come from outer space? Its a recognised idea now. Link to post Share on other sites
morton 5,368 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 And water is not "of the earth" unless anyone can explain how water managed on a molten ball of iron? Life is generally accepted to have started in the sea, the water in the sea came from space, so we are "aliens" logic..... could have been frozen on an asteroid that collided with the earth so we are the aliens Could anything survive a molten ball of iron Paulus, i doubt it? and all the water came from asteroids made of ice supposedly? so life must have come from outer space? Its a recognised idea now.Could anybody survive a molten ball of iron,seriously how many members on here are married? and God created women. Link to post Share on other sites
Tozer 385 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I can never see how everyone can grasp the idea of a dog a carrying 'the blood of so and so's line', and jump on the back of that, but can't comprehend evolution. If you look at dogs, do you not see the possibilities of change? Creating different breeds is just a MASSIVELY accelerated example of evolution, with a bit of poetic licence. If suddenly the only people could survive were over 6ft 3" there would be a dramatic thinning of the population, followed by a massive increase in average height, something that would be carried forward by the 'blood' of the generations that survived before. Religion simply explained things to a point were we couldn't comprehend any further. Since then our understanding has increased dramatically. Link to post Share on other sites
morton 5,368 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I can never see how everyone can grasp the idea of a dog a carrying 'the blood of so and so's line', and jump on the back of that, but can't comprehend evolution. If you look at dogs, do you not see the possibilities of change? Creating different breeds is just a MASSIVELY accelerated example of evolution, with a bit of poetic licence. If suddenly the only people could survive were over 6ft 3" there would be a dramatic thinning of the population, followed by a massive increase in average height, something that would be carried forward by the 'blood' of the generations that survived before. Are you a priest?,i only ask because i became lost in what you deemed logic. Religion simply explained things to a point were we couldn't comprehend any further. Since then our understanding has increased dramatically. Link to post Share on other sites
Tozer 385 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I can never see how everyone can grasp the idea of a dog a carrying 'the blood of so and so's line', and jump on the back of that, but can't comprehend evolution. If you look at dogs, do you not see the possibilities of change? Creating different breeds is just a MASSIVELY accelerated example of evolution, with a bit of poetic licence. If suddenly the only people could survive were over 6ft 3" there would be a dramatic thinning of the population, followed by a massive increase in average height, something that would be carried forward by the 'blood' of the generations that survived before. Are you a priest?,i only ask because i became lost in what you deemed logic. Religion simply explained things to a point were we couldn't comprehend any further. Since then our understanding has increased dramatically. Yeah, what I am trying to say I think is unfair to those who have faith, it isn't the place of this forum to question that. Good analogy though. Link to post Share on other sites
morton 5,368 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 I can never see how everyone can grasp the idea of a dog a carrying 'the blood of so and so's line', and jump on the back of that, but can't comprehend evolution. If you look at dogs, do you not see the possibilities of change? Creating different breeds is just a MASSIVELY accelerated example of evolution, with a bit of poetic licence. If suddenly the only people could survive were over 6ft 3" there would be a dramatic thinning of the population, followed by a massive increase in average height, something that would be carried forward by the 'blood' of the generations that survived before. Are you a priest?,i only ask because i became lost in what you deemed logic. Religion simply explained things to a point were we couldn't comprehend any further. Since then our understanding has increased dramatically. Yeah, what I am trying to say I think is unfair to those who have faith, it isn't the place of this forum to question that. Good analogy though. The questioning of religous beliefs is testament to how many religions there now are,plus the resultant wars and conflict that religion as and does cause,without religion and the belief in what we may perceive to be a GOD,would there be any such conflict?,especially when the better educated amongst us look down on the least educated civilisations that never go to war and don,t have any realisation of religous beliefs,they may worship the moon,sun and the passage of the seasons and don,t have time for the same war and religous conflicts we,ve grown to accept,is it better to fall out about a religous belief or the stealing of a neighbours pig?. Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,962 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) So we are saying that the most logical theory is that ALL life on earth came from a single original cell ?.........or was it say, a million different cells that by some chance all decided to mutate into life forms Come to think of it, where did the cell come from.......a chance encounter by some atoms I take it ? By the way, the "dog" analogy don't really work as you are talking about something that already exists not about how it came to exist Edited November 24, 2014 by WILF 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,824 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Wilf, it's been proven experimentally that amino acids very naturally and easily form in a theoretical primordial Earth environment. Now, I appreciate going from amino acids to more complex cellular organisms is a much bigger step but slowly we are getting there. And I think the dog analogy was just an example of evolution, how the first organism came about is another question altogether. Edited November 24, 2014 by Born Hunter Link to post Share on other sites
*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 So the thread goes on. . I'll try and catch up - be back later Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,297 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Amino acids to goo/slime, slime to single cell organisms, single cell organisms to community enhanced single cell organisms and so on until you get the thick as fucck human who invent God and a bloody book PMSL. By the way all the above still exist chuck xxx Fraz I swear I love your posts, they always have me in stitches :laugh: 1 Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 By the looks of things,alot of people have a different meaning to evoloution! as tozer said above about the changes in the dogs,when we breed them,that is called (micro) evoloution,which shouldnt be used,cause its deceptive,this is how they slip in macro evoloution,which is a change from reptile to ,amphibian,the origin of man,,,darwinian evoloution,,, they slip macro evo in with micro evo,even tho its not scientific,you need faith an beleif,for macro, micro evoloution is scientific,you can see it as eg you breed a line 40 years,you put the two right dogs together,an hopefully the pups come out the way you wanted,an repeat process with all best workers of the line for forty years,your still going to have wastage,to small,bad bone whatever,changes you didnt want,but happened, BUT ITS STILL A DOG,not a cat,the dogs (evolved) as some say,but theres a limit to that change,bugs can become immune to pesticides,but they not immune to your foot,squeesh,VARIATIONS happen in dogs cats monkeys humans,but there all still dogs,cats,an monkeys,nature produces after each kind an weve seen nothing to tell us otherwise. we call it micro evo,an I dont agree with it cause thats how they slip it in with macro,theres a big diff an people need to know this,cause its sneaky, I would call it variation in whatver,reptile mamal,not micro evoloution Link to post Share on other sites
oneredtrim 148 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Psst Frazman.....Are you implying an Ape's always been an Ape Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 glad I amuse you mushy,but here you just admitted above that you came from a rock haha do you know how the goo,slime as you say got their,it rained on the rocks for millions of years,apparently,an then you slimed outa rocks into the water haha now bearing in mind there earth had just cooled down from a molten mass of magma,apparently,which proves your theory wrong their which il get too, now this soup,grandpa,lol magically tranformed into a cell off some sort,but how did it do that a cell,a living cell,created from dead soup,now thats two events you need faith for,life spontaneously starting from non living material,even tho thats been also proven wrong years ago, I could go on for hours debunking this lie,but people will get angry an start calling me racist or something lol Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 pssst trim YES,an what makes you think differently,theres plenty of variation in the monkey family,but their still monkeys an reproduce monkeys so why would I think otherwise trim? Link to post Share on other sites
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