God

[oneredtrim 148]

 

They can but it takes a lot of reading, the pope himself acknowledged this, I have said it in all my posts, evolution does not remove religion. show's a path.

 

Religion is there to guide people to do right, the ten commandments. don't cheat, steal, murder or generally be a d*ck, the only point you are focussing on is the 'made in his own image'.

 

Your problem is thinking you are more important than the chimp, dog, cat or amoeba. We are all the same.

 

 

 

I said it before this was the start for me which lead onto a path questions and more learning,

but I just think differently about our ending thats all. My faith helps me in my daily life, it is not a crutch I dont need to turn to it because of some abscence in my life on the contrary I couldnt be happier but it makes me a better person and that can ony be a good thing, right?.

 

 

 

Starting to become a bit of a theme 'our ending' , with lots of folk not giving it a thought when they were younger but once past the halfway mark and with an obvious count-up of how they've done (unrequested), death starts to get considered..basically they shit it and dont want to be an hoolie anymore....

 

Forget the greenland Monkey....anyone know any native to Norway?

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Gnash, it's only my opinion on what I see but it's an opinion I came to by myself without being spoon fed it by other atheists. So I'll try to answer your questions based on my own thinking...

 

Faith in a god or gods probably doesn't mean the same to every person, I'd agree, but when I say faith I'm trying to draw down to the fundamentals of it. At it's most simple it's the belief in something in the absence of clear scientific evidence. But the belief is there nonetheless because it feels right. I see that simple mechanism in times of hardship has been very beneficial to mankind, as emotional creatures it's allowed us to defy the odds when the odds say we're f****d. It makes sense to me as an evolutionary mechanism for survival and I see it all the time in us. How many people have 'found god' at such times?

 

Now pondering along those lines I see how natural it would be for relatively primitive cultures to associate that with their various religions and gods that they have developed to explain the world around them. I really do just see faith as part of our psychology, an evolved part, to the benefit of our survival and religion a very natural product of that faith mechanism.

 

I think people that have chosen religion have done what makes sense to them. Not a favour for a favour generally. I think there is a huge amount of comfort in it, your faith isn't hopeless like mine, you have a god looking out for you, that's surely comforting.

 

When I said about god tying it up nicely I meant that religion gives answers to a lot of the big questions and I'd say to most of us humans, knowing is a lot more comforting than not knowing. This thread is testament to that. I want answers, but god doesn't make sense to me and if I'm honest there being so much unknown is exciting, perhaps in the same way that exploring strange lands is exciting, you're nerves would be much happier sat on the couch in the safety of your home watching the discovery channel but that ain't quite living is it?

 

I think people that bend and twist science are fools, but simply having faith in a greater being doesn't make someone a fool. They're seeing the world through their own senses and simply have faith in something different to me... I have given my own explanation for that but who really cares, it's just one mans opinion on the world around him...

[The Seeker 3,048]

but does it not also say that eve was created from a rib of Adam inferring that god was male and in his image would make him a human male ?

if this is the case then Jesus would have indeed been the son of god in the literal sense, the offspring of a human

Mate I'm not a theologian I don't profess to know all the answers (who does?)

 

Answer me this you are focusing on this very first section of Genesis because if this answer could be satisfied in your own mind you would then believe in God, OR are you just trying to tie people up in knots asking questions no one can prove 100% and you know this? Genuine question. I suspect the latter but I would hope its the former.

[kevin kiely 66]

its easy to dismiss on paper but wgen you take the step of believing it god blesses you with more faith and answers prayers

yee may laugh but i prayed for work one time and the next day a fella i hadnt seen or worked with for years knocked on my door and said he had a building job for us

[kevin kiely 66]

the thread isnt coming up on new content for me are yee the same

[paulus 26]

 

but does it not also say that eve was created from a rib of Adam inferring that god was male and in his image would make him a human male ?

if this is the case then Jesus would have indeed been the son of god in the literal sense, the offspring of a human

Mate I'm not a theologian I don't profess to know all the answers (who does?)

 

Answer me this you are focusing on this very first section of Genesis because if this answer could be satisfied in your own mind you would then believe in God, OR are you just trying to tie people up in knots asking questions no one can prove 100% and you know this? Genuine question. I suspect the latter but I would hope its the former.

 

the reason i ask this question is simple, its the beginning, if the beginning can not be fully understood or even explained to a level that makes sense to me then it makes the middle and the end almost impossible to comprehend never mind accept. as i have said numerous times i am not trying to ridicule those who do believe but rather questioning why i don't, to me it all stinks of man.a man is the image of god, a man was the son of god, man was made before women, men are above women in most religions where a god is involved,

[The Seeker 3,048]

 

 

but does it not also say that eve was created from a rib of Adam inferring that god was male and in his image would make him a human male ?

if this is the case then Jesus would have indeed been the son of god in the literal sense, the offspring of a human

Mate I'm not a theologian I don't profess to know all the answers (who does?)

 

Answer me this you are focusing on this very first section of Genesis because if this answer could be satisfied in your own mind you would then believe in God, OR are you just trying to tie people up in knots asking questions no one can prove 100% and you know this? Genuine question. I suspect the latter but I would hope its the former.

 

the reason i ask this question is simple, its the beginning, if the beginning can not be fully understood or even explained to a level that makes sense to me then it makes the middle and the end almost impossible to comprehend never mind accept. as i have said numerous times i am not trying to ridicule those who do believe but rather questioning why i don't, to me it all stinks of man.a man is the image of god, a man was the son of god, man was made before women, men are above women in most religions where a god is involved,

 

 

You raise some valid points there but personally I dont think what was written down thousands of years ago and then translated should be analysed to the enth degree.

 

Some Christians do but I dont. There is no denying that this was written by a man therefore it will have mans footprint on it, simarly the new testement isnt a single book it is a collection of books written by witnesses each with their own recollections and memories.

For example If you and i went to the football match together and you sat at one side of the stadium and I the other and we had to write a commentry on if we thought the goal was off side or not you may have a totally different perspective on it than me, doesnt mean you or I are wrong just we saw things from a different perspective.

 

I dont have the skill set to explain it any clearer than this, faith is much more than three or four lines from a verse.

 

I am really concious that I dont wish to come across as smug but Im really content in what I beleive, Ive been asking, reading, questioning for over 20 years not just the few months this thread has been running.

 

Again I know this will not change your view just as you will not change mine but if it makes anyone at least ask some questions about this life we lead that there IS more than just us being on a rock rotating around the sun until we die, then this thread will have done some good.

 

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[paulus 26]

something to ponder, there are more planets,stars and suns in the universe than there are grains of sand on the earth, do we really believe we are the only living things contained in all that.

[The Seeker 3,048]

something to ponder, there are more planets,stars and suns in the universe than there are grains of sand on the earth, do we really believe we are the only living things contained in all that.

 

I'm not one for putting up videos to answer questions however please look at this, what do you think of these odds seem realistic to you. I'm sure BH can make sense of the science bit but I wouldn't want to place a bet on these odds. Is it easier to believe this just all fell into line than to at least concede that there could be a creator?

 

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Seeker, I can't watch the vid on this PC but I'm guessing it's essentially the anthropic principle? How the physical universe is finely tuned to allow life to exist? From the value of the Plank constant to the environmental requirements of the Earth...

 

The environmental requirements part can pretty simply be explained by the vast size of space, statistically it seems unlikely until you comprehend the problem on a universal level... Possibly a more interesting conclusion for a theist comes from analysing the Drake equation, which with best estimates suggests there should be far more intelligent life visible to us than there is...

 

The finely tuned physical laws problem can be answered by a Many Worlds Theory or a Cyclic Universe Theory. Far from suggesting the existence of God, to me it suggests one of these theories to be true. If we consider that there are either many Universes parallel to ours or that there is only one Universe but it is born and dies in a continuous cycle then we are back to statistics and given a great enough number eventually there will be one where everything is perfect for life. In one where everything is not just perfect, we wouldn't be having this conversation and so the low odds of us existing will always appear 'special' when in actual fact it's just a simple logic and play on statistics.

 

There's what I consider a more rational explanation... put your faith in whatever you see fit.

[The Seeker 3,048]

Seeker, I can't watch the vid on this PC but I'm guessing it's essentially the anthropic principle? How the physical universe is finely tuned to allow life to exist? From the value of the Plank constant to the environmental requirements of the Earth...

 

The environmental requirements part can pretty simply be explained by the vast size of space, statistically it seems unlikely until you comprehend the problem on a universal level... Possibly a more interesting conclusion for a theist comes from analysing the Drake equation, which with best estimates suggests there should be far more intelligent life visible to us than there is...

 

The finely tuned physical laws problem can be answered by a Many Worlds Theory or a Cyclic Universe Theory. Far from suggesting the existence of God, to me it suggests one of these theories to be true. If we consider that there are either many Universes parallel to ours or that there is only one Universe but it is born and dies in a continuous cycle then we are back to statistics and given a great enough number eventually there will be one where everything is perfect for life. In one where everything is not just perfect, we wouldn't be having this conversation and so the low odds of us existing will always appear 'special' when in actual fact it's just a simple logic and play on statistics.

 

There's what I consider a more rational explanation... put your faith in whatever you see fit.

Whatever they are called they seemed pretty unlikely odds to me, I'm an easy soul I need things to be explained in a way I can understand them, he explains the odds of life just "being" are equivalent to throwing a dart 100 miles up from the earth and hitting a target the size of an atom. Now that I can picture!

 

Strange how the scientist community would rather accept the possibility of multiple worlds (I assume you mean by this parallel universes etc) rather than belief in god.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Why is it strange Seeker? Strange that they would put more trust in a natural explanation than a supernatural one?

 

Historically have there not been people, like you, saying the same about every other natural event that was not understood? Natural events which today we wouldn't even dream of explaining with the supernatural. The ancient Egyptians believed that Ra was the Sun who moved across the sky, that seemed perfectly reasonable to them... god forbid someone offer a more rational and natural explanation like the concept of the solar system.

 

The Universe exists! We live in it... I don't think it's a great leap of faith to believe there could be more or that it is cyclic, considering we know of cosmic expansion and the big bang.

 

Like I said, put your faith where ever you want. But don't think there are not possible natural explanations for what we all see as the extraordinary.

Edited November 19, 2014 by Born Hunter

[mud 2,044]

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Edited November 20, 2014 by mud

[paulus 26]

Jesus he knows me

and he knows im right, ive been talking to Jesus all my life..................................

[The Seeker 3,048]

 

Jesus he knows me

 

and he knows im right, ive been talking to Jesus all my life..................................

And on that bombshell.........

 

Goodnight