*The*Field*Marshall* 674 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Who 'resurrected' this thread!?! Anyway, I'll take this opportunity to apologise to shepp and whoever else I might have insulted, I don't mean anything, it's just online banter. I suppose one or two of you have quoted the pope on his recent comments. Well, the pope doesn't represent the views of a Christian, Roman Catholism is a cult and the pope is essentially anti-Christ. Also what authority has he got on the subject? Frazdog has give you quote after quote after quote of scientists who believe in creation, you'll take no notice of them but you'll quote the pope, a bit daft anyway because he's still saying you need God in order to have the big bang anyway, something most of you won't agree with. sandymere, I'm sure you're an educated man and have your arrears of expertise. However I don't think you should be quoting the bible, something you evidential no little of, no offence. The Bible says "you shall not murder" Exodus 20:13 There is a huge difference in killing and murdering, I won't patronise with explaining how. Anyway, I trust you're all well and have had a good start to the season 1 Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,110 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I have to disagree with you there field Marshall, I think this pope is finally cutting to the quick of what it means to be a Christian.......my understanding (and I may be wrong) is that his message is that it's not the business of the church to cut about being sanctimonious and condemning everyone, that's true faith is not in the golden artefacts and grand halls or money of the church. His message seems to be that's it's to be found in the simple things, that we should try to be kind and understand people......in other words, give love and peace to create more love and peace. To me, that's the core of Christianity and I think this man understands that better than anyone in a very long time. JMHO matey 2 Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Does it really mater if you believe in anything or not? You don't need faith to be a good person and you aren't a bad person if you don't have faith. What f-ing grinds my gears is when folk start using a religion as an excuse for something - "My beliefs told me to do it or I won't get eternal life", no, your utter lack of compassion, morals and stupidity made you do it, no excuses. It doesn't matter what religion/faith or lack of you have, if you're a cnut no book will stop you being a cnut. If a book made you become a cnut then you were always destined to be a cnut, you just needed an excuse and the book gave you that excuse. I don't have faith, never have despite being sent to catholic schools etc (never once got stuck down by any form of wrath in a church or place of prayer) yet I have spent my entire life helping others, worrying about others, doing things for the homeless, the less fortunate, the sinners of this world, the mistreated and those that have just made poor choices or found themselves in dire positions through no fault of their own. No book compelled me to do it or told me to do it I just did it because I am not a cnut and if I ever found myself in a similar position I'd hope others would do the same for me. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,110 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Does it really mater if you believe in anything or not? You don't need faith to be a good person and you aren't a bad person if you don't have faith. What f-ing grinds my gears is when folk start using a religion as an excuse for something - "My beliefs told me to do it or I won't get eternal life", no, your utter lack of compassion, morals and stupidity made you do it, no excuses. It doesn't matter what religion/faith or lack of you have, if you're a cnut no book will stop you being a cnut. If a book made you become a cnut then you were always destined to be a cnut, you just needed an excuse and the book gave you that excuse. I don't have faith, never have despite being sent to catholic schools etc (never once got stuck down by any form of wrath in a church or place of prayer) yet I have spent my entire life helping others, worrying about others, doing things for the homeless, the less fortunate, the sinners of this world, the mistreated and those that have just made poor choices or found themselves in dire positions through no fault of their own. No book compelled me to do it or told me to do it I just did it because I am not a cnut and if I ever found myself in a similar position I'd hope others would do the same for me. Can't argue with that matey, that's more Christian than some of those who are in church (making sure every c**t can see them) morning, noon and night. Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Lol the evolution of god/religion in an attempt to survive. We should all live to the word of the bible, it makes sharia law look soft lol. Remember thou salt not kill!!!!!!!!!!!! Unless Deuteronomy 13:5That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the LORD your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.Deuteronomy 17:7The hands of the witnesses must be the first in putting that person to death, and then the hands of all the people. You must purge the evil from among you. And lastly for the girls... if your not a vigin on your wedding nightMarriage Violations…20"But if this charge is true, that the girl was not found a virgin, 21then they shall bring out the girl to the doorway of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death because she has committed an act of folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father's house; thus you shall purge the evil from among you. 22"If a man is found lying with a married woman, then both of them shall die, the man who lay with the woman, and the woman; thus you shall purge the evil from Israel.… Almost as deluded as continuing to vote for a bunch of communists because "that's how you always vote" because you earn your living taking money out of the pockets of folk who actually create their own money The bible gives millions of people a nice way to live, it gives them hope and joy. And it has done that for over 2000 years.........Tony Blair in 13 short years gave us less freedom, a ban on hunting and a trillion quids worth of debt.........your a labour voter and I'm a Christian Who's the fool ? Lol what has political parties got to do with it, How I vote it has nothing to do with religion. I just quoted the bible. do you feel quoting the bible is out of order in a topic entitled "GOD" perhaps you feel threatened by the quotes as it makes your claims to religion being so good seem a little less valid. Hope you haven’t had the snip or your not going to your promised land! Deuteronomy 23:1? He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. Link to post Share on other sites
Tiercel 6,986 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 One thing I just do not get, why do people feel they have the right to deride people who believe in a god? What should it matter to anyone else what a persons faith is?. Banter is all well and good, but I have seen some pretty derogatory comments on this thread that there was absolutely no need for. TC 4 Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I'd agree, some take stuff to heart and react in a personal manner, it's a shame but how people are. I would like to be a Humanist but alas I'm just not nice enough. Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,110 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Sandymere, we are talking about belief systems........politics is one form of this, so I put it to you that while you feel comfortable to get free and easy taking the piss out of something that is in it's essence good you skirt round the fact that your belief system has done more damage to this country than mine ever has !! People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, know what I mean Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,775 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) It shouldn't ever really be acceptable to deride anybody's beliefs, be they on religion/god or otherwise.... Yet it is accepted as 'okay' when those beliefs have had negative consequences on society. Some people feel quite strongly that religion has had quite a negative impact on the world and so deride theists as many others would bankers, politicians etc. etc. Beliefs are beliefs, it's okay to ridicule a mans economic or social beliefs but not his spiritual/religious ones? It's not very nice to ridicule folks full stop. But then there is a difference between making an intelligent argument against a belief and simply ridiculing those that follow it. Personally, I find that if you have any credibility, intelligence will shine through as righteous and the ridicule becomes meaningless... Edited October 30, 2014 by Born Hunter 2 Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,110 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 It shouldn't ever really be acceptable to deride anybody's beliefs, be they on religion/god or otherwise.... Yet it is accepted as 'okay' when those beliefs have had negative consequences on society. Some people feel quite strongly that religion has had quite a negative impact on the world and so deride theists as many others would bankers, politicians etc. etc. Beliefs are beliefs, it's okay to ridicule a mans economic or social beliefs but not his spiritual/religious ones? It's not very nice to ridicule folks full stop. But then there is a difference between making an intelligent argument against a belief and simply ridiculing those that follow it. Personally, I find that if you have any credibility, intelligence will shine through as righteous and the ridicule becomes meaningless... However mate, it's one thing to say that my judgement of what you believe in is "X" because there are proven social and economic facts buts it quiet another to say "you believe in something that can't be proven so you must be an idiot or try and slag something that at its heart is essentially advocating good" How men have bent religion to suit their own ends is not the fault of the religion itself......any person with a brain can see that one thing has nothing to do with the other 2 Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Sandymere, we are talking about belief systems........politics is one form of this, so I put it to you that while you feel comfortable to get free and easy taking the piss out of something that is in it's essence good you skirt round the fact that your belief system has done more damage to this country than mine ever has !! People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, know what I mean Remember people who live in glass house should sh*te in the basement You compare a political parties activities over a few years to the millions of people that have died and continue to die on a daily basis in the name of religion? Thats .....different!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,110 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Difference is, I hold my hands up to what evil men do and have done in the name of my religion, I don't support it and never will......you see the effect of what your belief system does and you actively support it. Some folk I guess find it easier to ignore what they do in favour or slagging others Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,775 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) In response to #1819 (my quote function doesn't work ) I agree WILF, I think. It's almost accepted as okay to ridicule someone on the back of an intelligent argument against their beliefs. Though I think once you're into ridicule, the argument is over, at that point it's a downward spiral to pointless bickering. However ridiculing someone simply because their beliefs appear to you strange or idiotic is, to me at least, a little too much like bullying. I just meant really to comment that attacking those that have a certain belief can have a couple of different motivations. Neither should really be acceptable and I think that generally the intelligence in the argument is what should shine through, whether accompanied by insults or not. Same applies to any conflict of beliefs... Fundamentally though, I never mock a mans simple belief in God because the consequences of that simple belief have NO negative impacts on society. However the expansion of that simple belief into religion and the many interpretations that come from them can and do have negative effects (as well as positive) and so I don't see mocking that as any worse than mocking some ones political/economic/social beliefs. Edited October 30, 2014 by Born Hunter 1 Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 Some sensible posts here today lads;tho i dont nean to annoy people but christianity is the new testament back to front an nothing else cuts its. Back to the pope,what he said y.day falls perfectly into the old testament prophecy,about a mass deception in the end times an i beleive truly in my heart that were in those days,it all adds up? Now most people are not followers of jesus so wont beleive what the scriptures mean,but its seems to me that now is the time,with all this alien ufo scifi shite everywhere an the pope announcing evoloution is true which is pure heressy,the pope an catholics which i am dont flow the bible,cause if they did they would realize there dead wrong God made man in his image it tells you at least 50 times in the bible,plus loads more to show that evoloution is not Gods work it aint true imo It tell me the pope will announce to the world the antichrist an everyone that dont get the mark of beast(the chip)an dont obey the new savoiur will be slain. They need a new threat against the world to unite the people an i would say the fake alien threat will be it,remember its says the mass deception will fool most even the elect christians(which is happening now) so well have to wait an see? Link to post Share on other sites
sandymere 8,263 Posted October 30, 2014 Report Share Posted October 30, 2014 I didn't slag I quoted the bible, my use was mocking because the quotes are, you must agree, pretty awful to stone a woman to death for having sex before marriage etc hardly a set of rules for one to live their life by! You came back with a straw man, Blair compared to GOD, I expect he would be delighted being placed in such grand company. On a serious note I dislike religion as it is an excuse for mans inhumanity to man. please read and discuss http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_persecution Link to post Share on other sites
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