God

[hollands hope 1,024]

 

Has anyone suggested that we were put on earth by aliens yet?

 

Cheers, D.

 

I don't know about aliens actually "putting humans" on Earth, but lots of things do seem to suggest genetic engineering has played a part in creating us, if a "god" did do it he wasted a lot of time in the process because only 5% of human DNA is actually active as far as i know, maybe he couldn't make his mind up? Maybe one of the creationists could explain humans growing a prehensile tail to us all, as we were "made in his image" does god have a tail? He gave us a big brain but we can only use 10% of it, bit strange that? lol.

 

This ones a waste really, simply because creationists will refuse to accept the the earth was a molten ball of iron, but i think its interesting so ill chuck it out there, go to any steelworks and throw any living organism in a crucible full of molten iron, no living thing could survive, so at one time the Earth was completely sterilised, absolutely no life or anything life could evolve from, so logically whatever life came from must have come later, so in effect we must be "alien" my own thoughts are life came trapped inside ice comets, the scientists say life started in the sea, and the sea came from ice comets hitting the Earth, seems to make sense?

 

So in other words life thrives in other places in the universe,make´s sense if you come to think about it.

[Deputy Dog 28]

Cheers for that MM that is a great example of evolution mate, but micro or as FD is sayim 'adaption'. I'm lookin for proof of darwinian evolution ie one species evolving into another. I am genuinely interested pal. But currently thinkin this theory is greatest hoax ever called

[Deputy Dog 28]

http://youtu.be/VHeSaUq-Hl8

 

Here's a top scientist physicist who doesn't believe creation and not even he accepts evolution. Those skulls don't mean nothing muddy pal. I've a mate poor fooker, if he was buried and dug up thousand years later they'd add him to that list! Lol. He's only deformed not half ape or anythin lol

[RemyBolt 420]

remy i would have to disagree with you mate,but you love the lord happy days.

i would like to state that kj bible clearly says THE first day THE second day THE third day,not millions of years in between,thats heressey.

an god said let there be light,an there was light,

an god saw the light,that it was good,an god divided the light from the darkness

an god called the light day,an the darkness he called night.

an the EVENING an the MORNING were the FIRST day.

 

i dont know how you cant see that remy but its pretty clear

the evening an morning were the first day.

Please look into the original scripture. The Bible was not originally written in English in the King James Olde World style. It was originally written in ancient Hebrew.

 

As beautifully clear as it may seem, if the translation is wrong, then so is the interpretation.

[RemyBolt 420]

spawn, tadpole, frog

egg, chicken

egg, caterpillar .pupa. butterfly

sperm, egg .cell . baby

 

so one thing to evolve into another is not possible !!!!!!

I don't think it's genetically changing though, so one thing into another would be better phrased "One species into another."

[RemyBolt 420]

 

With that in mind......given enough time should us the human race eventually end up extinct ?.....or are we the ultimate living thing that needs no improvement ?

 

 

 

That’s a really good question mate, and one I’ve spend a lot of time musing on.

 

From what I can see; by changing our environment to suit our needs, rather than waiting for the environment to change then trying to adapt to it, we’ve taken ourselves – and a lot of species we find useful, wheat, chickens, etc – out of the evolutionary process.

 

Could we become extinct? Sure; if we’re hit by a comet, or have a nuclear war or something. But will a more successful species evolve and out-compete us? I can’t see how that could happen.

 

You would logically assume people who are born super-healthy, or people born with no appendix, or no wisdom teeth to get infected might have an evolutionary advantage. But with modern medicine they are no more or less likely to reproduce than any of us.

 

So, to answer your question: my theory is that human evolution is over, at least as long as we have modern technology, medicines etc.

 

Einstein said that mankind should continue to evolve into entirely energy. No longer in need of a physical body, but to exist as an etherial energy form. That's pretty cool...but not going to happen.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

http://youtu.be/VHeSaUq-Hl8

Here's a top scientist physicist who doesn't believe creation and not even he accepts evolution. Those skulls don't mean nothing muddy pal. I've a mate poor fooker, if he was buried and dug up thousand years later they'd add him to that list! Lol. He's only deformed not half ape or anythin lol

Just to point out, the man is no physicist, he's a philosopher with a background in biology and he's anything but 'top' having made no significant contribution to any area of science. It's an interesting video from a philosophical stand point though. Just wanted to make his credibility clear.

[RemyBolt 420]

Shep only fool I can tell is yu pal. You was owned by FM when you said there's wasnt 1 credible scientist who believed in bible, he gave you inventor of mri scanner and there's fooking loads besides. Just found out Isaac newton wrote more on bible than he did science. Yu avoided FMs queations. Now hers mine. Why do yo believe in evolution? And give some proof. All you lads been taking piss out of these religios lads asking for proof. Well where's your proof??? Not a statement genuine question.

The purest ironiy is that Newton was actually involved in Witch Craft, which is why he wrote so much on the Bible. Weird hu?

[RemyBolt 420]

 

theres a sinister plot behind evoloution,if you dig you will find.

 

There's a sinister plot behind religion, no need to dig very deep lol.

 

Don't be to hard on Remybolt mate, evolving the bible in the face of science (not that i trust mainstream scientists) is the only way religion will survive, its like modern religion looking back at the Spanish inquisition, keep moving with the times and you'll keep the undecided interested eh lol.

 

My evolution of the Bible seems to simply be an interpretation. Oddly, an interpretation that works with science. At no point have I told anyone that they should become a Christian, I have not spoken about my opinion of Christianity either. I am simply answering questions and issues being raised. I am not trying to convert anyone. I am not trying to keep the undecided interested either. When we all die, we'll learn who was right, so I just leave it at that. The less a person knows, the less their judgement at the pearly gates. Ignorance is quite literally bliss.

[RemyBolt 420]

Someone asked me about Dinosaurs, I can't remember who, but neither can I find their post.

 

To answer the view that dinosaurs are millions of years old...they are. Simple. It has been proven.

 

The world is not 6000 years old like most creationists believe. Yom - 'day' is the word used in Hebrew in the original scripture. Amazingly Yom is also the word for "An undefined period of time" or "Age" as in, Age of the Dinosaurs. So the idea of the 6 day creation is...embarrassing and scientifically impossible.

 

This would lead to the assumption that somewhere, somehow, these skeletons were created and hidden. I do not think a benevolent and beneficent deity would play a trick like that. The very notion that God is tricking archaeologists and dinosaur fans is simply put....screwed up.

 

To be a 'pure' creationist you need to ignore science. Which is ridiculous.

 

To be an educated Christian you need to recognise science.

[Mr Muddy 141]

Those skulls don't mean nothing muddy pal. I've a mate poor fooker, if he was buried and dug up thousand years later they'd add him to that list! Lol. He's only deformed not half ape or anythin lol

 

 

Yes, it’s a tough one. I amid I wouldn’t really expect anyone to be convinced by fossils if they weren’t already comfortable with the idea of evolutionary process.

I could also show you the ‘missing link’ fossil ancestors of horses or whales if that would make a difference?

 

There is the genetic clock, but – and I’m not taking the piss or making assumptions here – you would already need to understand a fair bit of science to understand that.

 

Creatures like killer whales might be a good example of a species actually ‘caught in the act’ of evolving.

You see there are killer whales in the Artic and Antarctic. They probably don’t ever meet and it’s generally agreed they are different species. But there are also other little groups of killer whales dotted around the oceans that are descended from either the Artic or Antarctic whales, but they don’t quite fit into ether species and they all do their own thing behaviour wise.

So I’d say that’s not a bad example of at least one group of these whales being actually half way to becoming a new species.

 

PS. I wouldn’t worry too much about trying to distinguish between the micro/macro evolution things. They are not actually genuine scientific terms – it’s more an American ‘religious right’ thing.

Edited September 11, 2014 by Mr Muddy

[gnasher16 30,063]

 

That’s a really good question mate, and one I’ve spend a lot of time musing on.

 

From what I can see; by changing our environment to suit our needs, rather than waiting for the environment to change then trying to adapt to it, we’ve taken ourselves – and a lot of species we find useful, wheat, chickens, etc – out of the evolutionary process.

 

Could we become extinct? Sure; if we’re hit by a comet, or have a nuclear war or something. But will a more successful species evolve and out-compete us? I can’t see how that could happen.

 

You would logically assume people who are born super-healthy, or people born with no appendix, or no wisdom teeth to get infected might have an evolutionary advantage. But with modern medicine they are no more or less likely to reproduce than any of us.

 

So, to answer your question: my theory is that human evolution is over, at least as long as we have modern technology, medicines etc.

 

Thanks for that Mr Muddy i understand where your thoughts are and what you say makes a lot of sense.....i guess what i meant was through natural selection as opposed to nuclear war/comets etc......what im saying is reading your post before about how species become extinct i get that.... it makes me wonder should all species eventually become extinct given enough time and the process of natural selection......ie,there will always be something better come along...surely thats what evolution is and it cannot be stopped naturally ?

Edited September 11, 2014 by gnasher16

[Mr Muddy 141]

 

it makes me wonder should all species eventually become extinct given enough time and the process of natural selection......ie,there will always be something better come along...surely thats what evolution is and it cannot be stopped naturally ?

 

 

Yes, that’s the thing though mate: if something’s environment doesn’t change they don’t seem to need to evolve either.

 

Look at things like the coelacanth: they live at the bottom of the sea in an area where nothing ever changes and as a result they still look - and infact are - identical to fish from before the age of the dinosaurs.

 

 

If we spend the rest of history living the same way we do now, where would be the pressure for us to evolve?

Although I must admit that dose sound a bit boring.

[Truther 1,579]

 

 

theres a sinister plot behind evoloution,if you dig you will find.

 

There's a sinister plot behind religion, no need to dig very deep lol.

 

Don't be to hard on Remybolt mate, evolving the bible in the face of science (not that i trust mainstream scientists) is the only way religion will survive, its like modern religion looking back at the Spanish inquisition, keep moving with the times and you'll keep the undecided interested eh lol.

 

My evolution of the Bible seems to simply be an interpretation. Oddly, an interpretation that works with science. At no point have I told anyone that they should become a Christian, I have not spoken about my opinion of Christianity either. I am simply answering questions and issues being raised. I am not trying to convert anyone. I am not trying to keep the undecided interested either. When we all die, we'll learn who was right, so I just leave it at that. The less a person knows, the less their judgement at the pearly gates. Ignorance is quite literally bliss.

 

 

No offence intended at all mate, i find your posts really interesting, and surprising from such a dedicated Christian. I did say in an earlier post i don't deny the possibility of a "creator" and its a complete waste of time arguing that point anyway, as is evolution, evolution of species is a fact in my opinion, where we differ(if im reading you right) is where the source of life to evolve actually came from?

 

As you brought up "mistakes" being made in the bible due to translation from ancient Hebrew i would be interested on your take on the "Elohim" question?

[Tiercel 6,986]

Gnash, nothing happens now with humans naturally, as medicine has intervened. I know this may sound odd but there are people being kept artificially alive today just for the sake of it, because they can. What worries me is, to what purpose are they being kept alive?

 

TC