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[johnny boy68 11,726]

Most of the other stuff on this thread is hardly worth addressing, a lot of you lads are so far up the shoot there's no hope! Haha. "Why didn't the egyptians record the story of Naoh haha they weren't around at the time! That said, look up there account of the crossing of the Red Sea, fascinating.

 

Like I said, we all start with our own view point and interpret everything we see via what we already presume to be true.

The great flood is "said" to have happened around 2300BC, the Egyptians were busy building pyramids then.

http://www.ancientegypt.co.uk/time/explore/main.html

Red Sea crossing lol and the parting of it isn't hard to believe? So only the bible is allowed to use the terms "taken literally", they were just parables etc? Whats to say the egyptians records of stuff ain't taken out of context !!

[paulus 26]

everything we do in life is a form of "Copy and Paste" that's how we learn and evolve. by what we see,here.read,experience it all is imprinted " copied into our minds even genetics are "Copies" everything we write,say,do is a "Paste" of some sort its how we learn.

[hutch6 550]

So how does the adaptations we are seeing in viruses and pests stand with Creationists?

 

Antibiotics, due to their widespread use are causing strains of viruses to become resilient to them and new research is continually having to be done to combat the new strains of viruses as well as the ones that have built up a tolerance to the in-market antibiotics. We have seen numerous new life threatening viruses evolve through various practices in the world from animal husbandry to contact with new species that are causing fatalities around the world.

The ease of human travel as well as animal species relocation through intended or unintentional export has lead to the exposure of viruses and bacteria into ecosystems that are not equipped or have built up resistance to various strains of viruses.

 

Pests are now becoming resilient to pesticides through natural selection and these adaptations are being passed onto the next generation. I know the term Evolution is banded about but it is adaptation that wins through. A species that is able to adapt will survive be that through behaviour or genetic advantages and over time these become the new norm or are labelled as a culture. We are pushing species to their potential through research and deployment be it the domestic dog that is genetically engineered through selective breeding (could this be classed as adaptation/evolution with certain species selected to be bred for their genetic traits to benefit us?) down to species that are having to adapt to a changing world. I remember watching a wildlife documentary, it may have been Attenborough's Planet Earth, that showed three cheetahs hunting. From years of sat next to my father watching natural history documentaries it was widely documented that cheetahs are solitary hunters relying on their genes that produce the ability to reach high speed in order to chase down prey in order to survive. What shook my to my feet about these three cheetahs was that they hunted together in order to take advantage of bigger prey. Instead of hunting the Thompson gazelles individually as I was so used to seeing them hunt, they were working as a team to go after bigger prey, such as ostrich I think it was. Not only was this showing a change in their culture to be solitary hunters it showed that if they worked together hey didn't need the level of speed they do to take the gazelles and they could go for much larger prey. Does this mean they will adapt to be slower hunters but ultimately more successful as a species due to being able to widen their opportunities for a meal? Is it adaptation to the lack of available resource in the decline of their prey species or is it a simple switch for a bigger pay reward?

[dytkos 17,784]

Has anyone suggested that we were put on earth by aliens yet?

 

Cheers, D.

[gnasher16 30,063]

everything we do in life is a form of "Copy and Paste" that's how we learn and evolve. by what we see,here.read,experience it all is imprinted " copied into our minds even genetics are "Copies" everything we write,say,do is a "Paste" of some sort its how we learn.

 

I bet your a bundle of fun to stand and have a pint with.

 

" What did you think of the game last night Paulus ? "

 

" Hold on a minute Gnasher let me consult the official match report "

[paulus 26]

 

everything we do in life is a form of "Copy and Paste" that's how we learn and evolve. by what we see,here.read,experience it all is imprinted " copied into our minds even genetics are "Copies" everything we write,say,do is a "Paste" of some sort its how we learn.

 

I bet your a bundle of fun to stand and have a pint with.

 

" What did you think of the game last night Paulus ? "

 

" Hold on a minute Gnasher let me consult the official match report "

 

its simple if you had not of seen the match then you would not be able to comment. seen "Copied" discussed "Paste"

[sandymere 8,263]

Each has a right to their own belief but I find arguments for religion tend to attack science which is a worry. We need science and scientists if we are to maintain our place in the modern world. So for my tuppence worth.

 

 

Religion can be called an argument from ignorance, it relies upon the lack of knowledge to draw its conclusion, belief. Our ancestors lacking a natural explanation, assumed intelligent cause. Science is a mobile system that has at its heart theories. Alas this term is often misconstrued to mean a lack of proof whereas for a theory like evolution there is a massive body of evidence to substantiate the basic concepts. There is and will be slight tweaking of the basic theory but the fundamental concept is pretty irrefutable. This is true of many theories so for science the unexplained is not unexplainable.

 

A key criticism of evolution made by religious/creationist types are to do with the science not having all the answers. This starts with fossils and how they are ordered in time. This is a central theme of evolution as it shows the changes in creatures etc. These arguments are usually based on geology and physics as much as biology.

 

The geology that records these changes is the science that allows us to build safe structures, find and utilize natural recourses like oil and gas. So if the science is wrong then all those scientists are all mistaken about those massive dams and bridges and finding oil is just luck.

 

The physics is the science that aids our understanding of evolutionary change whilst allowing us to utilise nuclear power. So before they complain about the science they had best write to the Navy and power industry to tell them they’re wrong and we are in big trouble.

 

Then of course evolutionary biology is the basis of modern medicine, just look at comparative anatomy! As to infectious disease and epidemiology, both based on evolutionary theory so best once they have written to the physicist and the geologist to then write to the medical scientists, Doctors, surgeons etc and tell them they have it all wrong as well.

 

Science may not have all the answers but it has the basis of our modern would explained, what has religion to say? Best it can up with is that you can’t prove a negative.

 

Ps can I just make an assertion that is often misunderstood, its not survival of the fittest but of the sexiest.

[Deputy Dog 28]

Dont think you been following thread sandy pal. The religious lads havent been attacking science, quite the opposite, I am now convinced theres nout scientific about (macro) evolution, that has been firmly grounded on this thread! Cheers

[Ggib 370]

Now what about demonic possession?

[shepp 2,285]

 

Dont think you been following thread sandy pal. The religious lads havent been attacking science, quite the opposite, I am now convinced theres nout scientific about (macro) evolution, that has been firmly grounded on this thread! Cheers

 

Bollocks has it!

 

There is also no evidence you or anybody else can provide to prove creationism or the existence of a god.

Edited September 9, 2014 by shepp

[norseman 424]

107 pages and no one has proved anything for f**k sake

[Truther 1,579]

Has anyone suggested that we were put on earth by aliens yet?

 

Cheers, D.

 

I don't know about aliens actually "putting humans" on Earth, but lots of things do seem to suggest genetic engineering has played a part in creating us, if a "god" did do it he wasted a lot of time in the process because only 5% of human DNA is actually active as far as i know, maybe he couldn't make his mind up? Maybe one of the creationists could explain humans growing a prehensile tail to us all, as we were "made in his image" does god have a tail? He gave us a big brain but we can only use 10% of it, bit strange that? lol.

 

This ones a waste really, simply because creationists will refuse to accept the the earth was a molten ball of iron, but i think its interesting so ill chuck it out there, go to any steelworks and throw any living organism in a crucible full of molten iron, no living thing could survive, so at one time the Earth was completely sterilised, absolutely no life or anything life could evolve from, so logically whatever life came from must have come later, so in effect we must be "alien" my own thoughts are life came trapped inside ice comets, the scientists say life started in the sea, and the sea came from ice comets hitting the Earth, seems to make sense?

[beast 1,884]

107 pages and no one has proved anything for f**k sake

oh yes they have proved quite a lot of things,

 

 

 

 

unfortunately most of these are to do with the state of their mental health

 

ps hello sandy, where have you been? i was getting worried about you!

[frazdog 252]

the earth was never a molten mass,molten core yes but not mass.

polonium halos has proved this theory wrong.

 

CREATION LOVES SCIENCE FACT

[RemyBolt 420]

yes remy paulas is trying to say you can use the above method to say the earth is millions of yrs old not 6000 like the bible states

 

he doesnt understand that its a measurement to see how the DISTANCE of light travels in one year

 

he will get it yet my friend lol

Thank you Frazdog

 

Personally I would drop this line of conversation mate. As a Christian, I know this to be wrong. I had a major issue with the 'age of the universe' thing when I was a kid. One word...dinosaurs. Many millions of years old, but impossible by Bible timescales. So I started researching.

 

In the original text Genesis is written in, there are 2 anomalies in translation. Firstly the numbering. e.g. first day, second day, third day, etc. This is all correct as a sequence, however these are not specific days. When a number was placed before (if might be after, I get this mixed up) the period of time, is meant "The first" and was not referring to a specific, e.g. 1st August. So all the 'First day, second day, etc' is simply pointing out the sequence of a series of events, and not actual 'dates of occurrence'.

 

The second issue is the awful translation we have. The word DAY is 100% wrong. The original text would be better translated as "Period of Time" or "Age" meaning up to 300million years, as we currently know years to be.

 

 

 

Being a Christian from a Christian family I was taught to question what other Christians say, get context from the Bible, then research the original scripture as best as I can. Without correct facts any argument, no matter how you want to believe it, is going to fall, or make you seem stupid. If people take you for a fool, it says a lot about Christians in general.

 

To say the Bible shows the world is 6000 years old is simply a severe over faith in other Christians and a significant lack of personal research. But do not worry. We have all been there and done that. The same is true with evolution. Evolution is not evil or wrong. The only element of Evolution that Christians should have a problem with is in application to humans.