God

[Truther 1,579]

Truther, youve ignored the young earth evidence I put up, doesnt surprise me, an your best argument is the grand canyon, truther thats the worst old earth argument out there, so your saying the grand canyon slowly eroded away over what time period, have you not caught on yet, thats an assumption, no one seen it happen but yet your saying it eroded slowly over what period of time please.

 

How do you understand the bible if you can't read my posts and understand them Fraz, read the post again, ill make it easier "the grand canyon is young, its an exeption to the rule"

 

Lets hear your explanation for a river canyon, you'll only have to convince every geologist that ever drew breath.

[frazdog 252]

So you agree the grand canyon is young truther?

[frazdog 252]

The creation few is it happened rather quickly, after the flood, when the water was subsiding.

[Truther 1,579]

Carved out by the melt water of the last ice age Fraz, 12,000 years old give or take, along with the Mississippi river/delta.

 

Where's your answer to the other river canyon question?

[frazdog 252]

How do you explain the fossilised giant clams, at the top of mountains, including everset, they are closed, an what happens when they die they open, so I would say, when the ww flood of the bible happened they were covered in sediment, very quickly an then died an fossilised, how do you explain this mate?

[hutch6 550]

Don't know how many times I have to tell you but I don't need evidence, I have faith !!!

 

My evidence is what I see with my own eyes and feel in my soul......no book in the world can give me that type of reality.

 

You see I like that. That is what religion is, a faith. It's falling backwards, living your life by the values that feel right and do good to fellow man and the trust and faith that your God will catch you when the time comes.

 

A religion is not fact based evidence despite how much you believe a book to be correct without any of it being proven. The atheists are asked continually to provide evidence of things but the only evidence from Fraz and Kev has been is the bible or interpretations from the said book. It is just one book you are going on. There another fifty odd version of the thing yet you choose to believe the exact words of just one. There are over six thousand different books on dog training on Amazon alone, over twenty thousand different ones on human evolution. How can one of these books be the right one and be the one that has all of the correct information? Even if you take out the ones that are based on the author's own personal belief of anecdotal evidence rather than tried and tested practices or equations etc over years of application that would still leave about thirty percent that are telling the facts of the best evidence available but they are still putting their own understandings on it. The Bible has many authors, even these authors are questioned as being the real people they say they were (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) by highly regarded religious scholars and have been questioned over the centuries and no doubt will be for furthermore.

You can not prove that the things in the bible happened just as an atheist can not prove where all this stuff came from, the only difference is a nice story, the greatest story, allows you and a great deal many others to make sense of it and provides you with the belief that when death comes along it is not the end for you or any of the other followers of that faith. It is simply a philosophy, it all is. None of it can be proved except through death and that is the whole ethos behind religion. You don't want to believe that when you die that is it, you are dead, nothing, zip, end of. You want to believe that there is a forever after and living a certain way will provide this afterlife for you - "Live the way the book tells you, accept Jesus and you'll get into heaven". I do not and cannot believe in this. The human soul is the feelings, wisdom and memories brought up by others when I am in their thoughts. It is these that will live on after my death, that is my afterlife. Once I am dead I am dead, nothing. I will not feel, I will not hurt and everything I am will return to the earth as physical particles (probably carbon in one form or another).

 

To me there is no Maker, I will not be judged but by myself on my death bed and I hope I get there without regret. I don't cause hurt or pain to others, I help them pout where I can as I have stated before, this is not down to any religious values it's just what I think I should be doing for my fellow members of the species. Sure there are folks I can't be arsed with but I am an animal and not all members of a species get on with every other member.

I can't tell you where the human race came from just as much as I can tell you where zebras or mackerel came from, I am just more inclined we came from billions of billions of years of temperate conditions being just right for life to begin. To me we are here by chance which can be taken from us any point and as we only get one chance make the best of it, live your life however it makes you happy as long as you aren't hurting folk but I refuse to have a book dictate to me. The vagina is to be ashamed of according to that book, well we all came from one, either have one or trying to get back in one. Seems like the vagina is a pretty important thing in life to me and nothing to be ashamed of. Women are more than our equal as they produce life,we aren't even needed any more to be honest. To make the opposite sex unworthy or less than us is so daft I can't even express the words. Look at any other species and you see the male of the species doing all manner of things to try and impress them be it fighting other males in a show of strength and skill, building them stuff, bringing them stuff etc. Only in religion does the male of the species think himself higher than the female. Ludicrous.

If women ruled the earth and held the positions of authority I think the world have been a better place without a load of bullshit as women don't stand for bullshit.

 

That's what I believe, I don't expect anyone else to agree with it and they can rest safe that I'm not going to start butchering folk who don't like it.

[frazdog 252]

So we both agree, its relativley young, an it doesnt count for arguments for an old earth? you say by the melt water from the ice age, so the grand canyon was formed by the melt water from ice age, so weres your evidence to back this up mate?

[Truther 1,579]

How do you explain the fossilised giant clams, at the top of mountains, including everset, they are closed, an what happens when they die they open, so I would say, when the ww flood of the bible happened they were covered in sediment, very quickly an then died an fossilised, how do you explain this mate?

 

Easy Fraz, claims of fossilised giants are total bullshit, at this point im tempted to recommend some psychiatric help to you

 

You nearly always answer a question with a question, clutching at straws mate

[hutch6 550]

So we both agree, its relativley young, an it doesnt count for arguments for an old earth? you say by the melt water from the ice age, so the grand canyon was formed by the melt water from ice age, so weres your evidence to back this up mate?

You ever heard of these geological things called erratics? Google them and you'll see what they are.

 

Let me guess, God put them there?

[Truther 1,579]

How do you explain the fossilised giant clams, at the top of mountains, including everset, they are closed, an what happens when they die they open, so I would say, when the ww flood of the bible happened they were covered in sediment, very quickly an then died an fossilised, how do you explain this mate?

 

I miss read that as "giant claims" Fraz lmao, i thought you were going down the nephilim route

 

Iv'e not seen the giant clam thing at all mate? But you should know mountains are usually formed when the Earths tectonic plates collide, mountains could well have been sea bed well before they got pushed up into mountains, but im not convinced any life was that advanced before Everest was formed, still sounds like BS to me?

[frazdog 252]

Fair play hutch, at least your honest an give your testimoney unlike some folk here who just shout one liners, with nothing to back it up, tho I disagree with some points you made, but hey thats what its all about,

 

Im coming from this point, the earth an universe is an amazing complicated design, which tells me theres a designer, an the bible verifys this for me, threw, scientific predictons,

 

Now since weve evolved, how come the top buffs cant even produce a grain of sand never mind a cell, but it happened millions of years ago, long ago an far away, so why cant they replicate the simplest things now if were so adva.ced an smart?

 

An mate your welcome to beleive your an animal, but I would say your much more special, thats one of my points of evo, you say were just an animal, well sure if were just nothing important, just another animal, actually part of the evo problem, we need to die of to let the superior advance, you see were im going with this, no wonder morality an self worth are dying out, if were just animals well act like it, thats why I object it being taught to the children, plus theres no scientific evidence for it, so why are we replacing proper science with something rhat cant be proven, thats my point of all this.

[frazdog 252]

Never worrytruther we all make mistakes lol

 

You dont like the big skeletons truther, it would ruin your evoloution theory, here look at this an tell me what you think.

 

http://humansarefree.com/2014/09/the-great-smithsonian-cover-up-18-giant.html?m=0

[frazdog 252]

Hitler was an ardent evo man, thats why he tried to wipe out the jews they werent evolved as far as the germans, just animals, same as stalin an mussolini, all big fans of evoloution, did I mention darwin was a racist, this is the full title to his book

 

Its full title was On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the *Struggle for Life*.

[hutch6 550]

Fair play hutch, at least your honest an give your testimoney unlike some folk here who just shout one liners, with nothing to back it up, tho I disagree with some points you made, but hey thats what its all about,

 

Im coming from this point, the earth an universe is an amazing complicated design, which tells me theres a designer, an the bible verifys this for me, threw, scientific predictons,

 

Now since weve evolved, how come the top buffs cant even produce a grain of sand never mind a cell, but it happened millions of years ago, long ago an far away, so why cant they replicate the simplest things now if were so adva.ced an smart?

 

An mate your welcome to beleive your an animal, but I would say your much more special, thats one of my points of evo, you say were just an animal, well sure if were just nothing important, just another animal, actually part of the evo problem, we need to die of to let the superior advance, you see were im going with this, no wonder morality an self worth are dying out, if were just animals well act like it, thats why I object it being taught to the children, plus theres no scientific evidence for it, so why are we replacing proper science with something rhat cant be proven, thats my point of all this.

 

I'm no biologist or anything no matter how hard you squint, but even I can understand that given the right environment and conditions stuff forms. What are the ingredients for a grain of sand?

 

If you're not an animal then how come you have a liver the same as a frog, lungs the same as a buffalo, kidneys the same as a mouse etc and you're made out of keratin the same as every other creature on this planet? Did God just have a load of the stuff knocking about so used it to create skin, scales, horn, hoof, nail and hair? The only difference is we have culture that has been passed down to us over millennia that is more advanced than any other creature. Other's creature's cultures work for them and have done for millennia but we found ways of stretching out across this globe hence why we are the most successful creature on the planet but our need and greed means we will inevitably consume the planet. Do you really think we would let another creature take over the order of things? You'll probably get the same reaction as you would to how you reacted to science and evolution being taught in schools - it's wrong and should be squashed before it gets out of control.

If you think you are a creature of God and have nothing in common with any other animal on this planet then you can never be truly be at one with nature as you didn't come from nature, for that I feel extremely sorry for you as you will never view this planet or universe as your home or origin just somewhere that was made for you and you are in the form of God so you have more right to it than any other creature, you are more important. That is a very dangerous mindset to have as everything else is irrelevant on this planet to the human race and at the top of that pile is the Christians according to your thoughts and belief. I have more of an idea of where I sit in the order of things, how I affect things globally and the issues and impact my existence cause making it easier for me to do good and live a selfless fulfilled life than you could ever even hope to touch. That's the bottom line of it all. Having a God and being made to think we are created in the image of that God puts us at the top for no other reason than because. It dismisses the infinite changes in our history and evolutionary path that built the culture you take for granted everyday and scour at and dismiss. To me that is disrespectful and that is why I turned away from religion completely and will never believe in a God or afterlife. You're so busy living for something after your life here that you aren't living your life here, now. What's the point?

[frazdog 252]

Now if that doesnt wake people up to the truth of evoloution, then beware you might be on the next extermination list :-)