WILF 46,603 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 I don't really give a monkeys what people think to be honest Fraz, I am confident enough in what I believe to say that, to me, it's real. What more can I say than that......as a person with faith, that's all I need to say. Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Aah ok wilf, your going by feeling alone, im going by feeling, evidence an cerification, from God :-) Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,603 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) Don't know how many times I have to tell you but I don't need evidence, I have faith !!! My evidence is what I see with my own eyes and feel in my soul......no book in the world can give me that type of reality. Edited January 6, 2015 by WILF 2 Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 fair enough wilf mate. Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Aah ok wilf, your going by feeling alone, im going by feeling, evidence an cerification, from God :-) You have a certificate and evidence from God? Why didn't you say earlier, could have saved at least 200 pages of this thread. Post them up mate, let's have a look at them. Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Haha hutchy now your throwing wild accusations out there, could you explain your claim please. Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 verification, I meant, but hutchy lets hear this claim of yours im all ears. Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Are you ignoring my creation evidence, im waiting for your response. Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 12,870 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) Fraz its a yes or no answer but you can't give it as it undermines your entire argument Edited January 6, 2015 by mushroom Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 (edited) Hutchy its no bother for creationist to beleive that jesus resurected from death, so as to conquer it, thats why he came here to overcome what the devil, accomplished, bringing death into the world via sin, when he tricked eve in the garden. That was a supernatural act of God raising christ jesus from the dead, but hold on atheists dont beleive in the supernatural, so why you using jesus resurection for your point when you dont beleive it happened, now thats stupid. Hutchy were the smartest an most evolved right now according to atheists, yet you cant make a grain of sand in the lab, let alone life, an its been proven by science, that life cannot arise from nothing, fact So Eve spoke to a snake and that snake converted her way of thinking which caused her to go against stuff and that was bad. Aren't you doing the same here telling us that the bible is absolute evidence that God exists? You're right I don't believe it happened but you said and I quoted your own words, that life can not suddenly be made out of dead matter and you said that was a fact, something that in your mind you knew to be the absolute truth yet your own religion tells you something totally different and you believe that so what do you believe? If you believe Jesus was dead and then came back to life then you believe life can come from nothing, the exact same as an atheist but they don't tend to use the analogy of a bearded middle eastern bloke and his magical dad. If you take life cannot come from nothing as a fact then you cannot have Jesus rose from the dead as a fact. Sounds like you are still confused. Don't worry, I had ten or so years of this back and forth stuff. We are the most advanced in the evolution of the human species. I don't know if you could say when we peaked at our most intelligent as material, knowledge, opportunity and test based evidence wasn't all that great until we started to write stuff down and store it. We have everything that's ever been written and documented at the touch of our finger tips in our own homes, that's pretty amazing I think. Edited January 6, 2015 by hutch6 Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Haha hutchy now your throwing wild accusations out there, could you explain your claim please. My claim? What claim? Link to post Share on other sites
Truther 1,579 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Hello kevin keep up the good work, kevin there quick to doubt the bible an God, then give no rebuttal, but here truther just admitted they dont know the origins of the big bang, so no one seen it happen, an no one seen it since, so hes admitted that he beleives in something that has never been seen or proven an cant be proven, Now science by definition, is testable an observable, an I stick to my guns, cause ive been there, evoloution of man is not scientific, by any means, so what does that mean, it means they beleive in something from nothing, nada, look at the childrens textbook, its all there. Now this theory of of dead matter arising spontaneously has been proven wrong fifty years ago fact, so atheist havent a leg to stand on they need faith an beleif, for evoloution, they say naturalistic process, created the universe, but they dont know how, so there no diff to beleivers but we have confirmation from God they dont. "keep up the good work" are you reading the same thread Fraz? Kev's all over the place mate For a believer to say atheist believe in nothing is the icing on the cake mate when all you have is faith, not one shred of evidence at all As for young/old earth theories, you only have to look at one geological feature, a river canyon with a waterfall at its head, we fully 100% understand how that happens, and it takes millions of years, with a few exeptions, like the grand canyon where sheer volume of water speeded the process up, you're the one with nothing mate Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 What is it then go for it mushy. Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Truther, youve ignored the young earth evidence I put up, doesnt surprise me, an your best argument is the grand canyon, truther thats the worst old earth argument out there, so your saying the grand canyon slowly eroded away over what time period, have you not caught on yet, thats an assumption, no one seen it happen but yet your saying it eroded slowly over what period of time please. Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted January 6, 2015 Report Share Posted January 6, 2015 Atheist means, that you dont beleive in the supernatural or God, you take a naturalistic an materialistic view of the world, a null position, look at the vid above, thunderfoot says one of atheisms choices is we dont even exist, thats when he was well an truly wore down in front of his followers, do you agree with that, that was in response to theres only two ways, creation or evoloution, do you agree Link to post Share on other sites
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