God

[The Seeker 3,048]

 

Nah cause walshie ,said, not to be insulting an youve insulted me already.

But here type your question into google, an you will find your answer, now off you pop.

 

Frazdog and Kev, you should be able to answer this one straight away, no thinking about it.

 

You both die and are whisked off up to heaven. As you're both walking around you see millions of people wandering about etc. Suddenly a man walks passed you and Frazdog says"Hi Adam!" Kev then turn to Fraz and asks "How did you know that was Adam?" Before Fraz can answer a woman walks passed and Fraz says "Hi Eve". Again, Kev asks "How did you know that was Eve?"

So how would you know Adam and Eve from every other person in Heaven?

They would know because Adam and Eve would not have belly buttons due to being created rather than born

[Truther 1,579]

 

 

Truther Do u think Christians believe in Jesus and god just because they are gullible and are fooled by a good story.

When you choose to be open to it,pray to god and try to communicate with him hes sends signs and feelings and as the faith grows so does your knowing that Jesus lives.your not goin to have proof of god like CCTV footage or a mathematical equation

You aren't addressing the point at all kevin, because you've realised what a croc you're statement was, and realised christianity isn't stronger against islam than atheism, a popular argument put forward by lots of christians ruined in one foul swoop

 

I do think people are gullible to believe mate, some are brought up to it and know no different, like their parents before them, from personal experience the "born again" types are often people who lived on the edge, soldiers, gangsters, people who did a lot of drugs, i don't mean that to be offensive, but iv'e seen it a lot in real life, just an observation. And if it helps anybody turn their life round its a good thing imo, but it don't make it real.

What are you on about iv realised its a croc of a statement?

Atheists believe in nothing Christians believe in a living god that communicates and answers prayers and believe theres an after life .if you had to choose at knife point would you deny atheism or convert to Islam

 

 

My theory is Kevin, you don't seem to be grasping it at all mate? People who believe in an imaginery god, are more likely to change their belief system, than someone who thinks god/religion is total fantasy, believers already believe the fairytale, you only have to change their mind once, atheists have to change their mind twice, logic

 

Here's another nail in your "christianity will save us" argument, Runcie made a statement about 4 years ago, he said "let them have sharia" im not gullible mate, i know his motive was to set a president of religious law, not the rights of muslims, but hardly the answer to the islamic problem is it

[kevin kiely 66]

Truther your not grasping why I'm saying.if god is proved to me personally I'm not going to be fooled otherwise.

Now if u believe in nothing theres no faith to defend or protect.your not willing to die for the Big Bang..

So if an Islamic government ruled Britain or Ireland and if conversion wasnt a choice but was forced on the people to practise Islam the person who believes in nothing will go along with it more easily because he think when hes dead hes dead and he'd rather die later rather than sooner.

Now a Christian who in real life has been given faith through signs and things throughout his lifetime is posed with the choice convert or die he will probably not convert because be believes in an after life and a meeting with Jesus as bishop williamson says its a quick way to heaven.furthermore before it gets to the convert or die stage I think we would be stronger in defending against Islam if we were Christian as I don't think people are passionate about atheism like Christians are about Jesus .

[kevin kiely 66]

Am I right in thinking that the atheists here believe in the Big Bang

[Truther 1,579]

Truther your not grasping why I'm saying.if god is proved to me personally I'm not going to be fooled otherwise.

Now if u believe in nothing theres no faith to defend or protect.your not willing to die for the Big Bang..

So if an Islamic government ruled Britain or Ireland and if conversion wasnt a choice but was forced on the people to practise Islam the person who believes in nothing will go along with it more easily because he think when hes dead hes dead and he'd rather die later rather than sooner.

Now a Christian who in real life has been given faith through signs and things throughout his lifetime is posed with the choice convert or die he will probably not convert because be believes in an after life and a meeting with Jesus as bishop williamson says its a quick way to heaven.furthermore before it gets to the convert or die stage I think we would be stronger in defending against Islam if we were Christian as I don't think people are passionate about atheism like Christians are about Jesus .

 

Kev, you're against islam, a religion where people like bin laden convince gullible people to die for their faith, then you say bishop williamson says dying for christianity is a shortcut to heaven don't fall into the ex druggie category do you mate, or are you on the crack now?

 

And you wonder why atheist think believers are gullible

[kevin kiely 66]

Obviously Christians don't want to die.no I'm not a druggie.its a bit gullible to believe in the Big Bang though dont you think?

[kevin kiely 66]

And I'm not against Islam it's up to you what you believe i wouldnt force it on anyone.im just sayin what I believe in.its an open debate after all.but why don't you tell me truther what you believe.all I get is that yee don't believe in god.so what are your beliefs

Edited January 6, 2015 by kevin kiely

[mushroom 12,870]

Kevin the answer is they would have been the knights of the big bang

 

I'm still waiting for frazzled to confirm that he believes in a book selected and written by men and taken as the autobiography of some magical fairytale being, notice he's gone very quiet :laugh

[Truther 1,579]

And I'm not against Islam it's up to you what you believe i wouldnt force it on anyone.im just sayin what I believe in.its an open debate after all.but why don't you tell me truther what you believe.all I get is that yee don't believe in god.so what are your beliefs

 

The big bang is a scientific fact Kevin, even popes admit it happened, and its measurable, the universe is still expanding from it, so yes mate i believe in the big bang. The thing i don't like about the big bang is its cause, supposedly matter colliding with anti matter and the friction causing the explosion where did this anti matter/matter come from? why does this matter or anti matter exist in the first place? If you believe a god caused the big bang fair enough, not provable one way or the other, a pointless debate i don't wast time on. But to believe the bible is anything to do with a god/creator when its obviously a fairy story thought up by men to control other men is laughable, to deny evolution, and believe the earth is only 6,000 years old is beyond stupid.

[frazdog 252]

Hello kevin keep up the good work, kevin there quick to doubt the bible an God, then give no rebuttal, but here truther just admitted they dont know the origins of the big bang, so no one seen it happen, an no one seen it since, so hes admitted that he beleives in something that has never been seen or proven an cant be proven,

 

Now science by definition, is testable an observable, an I stick to my guns, cause ive been there, evoloution of man is not scientific, by any means, so what does that mean, it means they beleive in something from nothing, nada, look at the childrens textbook, its all there.

Now this theory of of dead matter arising spontaneously has been proven wrong fifty years ago fact, so atheist havent a leg to stand on they need faith an beleif, for evoloution, they say naturalistic process, created the universe, but they dont know how, so there no diff to beleivers but we have confirmation from God they dont.

[frazdog 252]

Truther your calling us stupid for sticking to our scientific evidence of a 6000 year old earth, now lets do this now, give me your best SCIENTIFIC evidence for an old earth, evoloution of man, bearing in mind now that it has to be testable an observable, not millions of years ago, theres plently of scientific evidence for a young earth for instances, the very little sedimentary discharge in the sea, testable an observable, or the inverse square law, the evos have been left red faced, when they now have to admit that the universe is not infinite, it had a beginning an will have an end, therefore, by there own bb model all the planets an stars an matter were closer together at one point which means, the moon was closer to earth at one stage, we all no the tides are xontrolled by the moon, so the inverse square law says that the earth would flood daily due to this law of the universe, plus at that law to the whole universe an they have a big problem.

 

Now carbon dating, an potassium argon dating are used to date fossils an rocks, which the evos has used for years as an argument for an old earth, but there left red faced again, when they had to admit that it only works upto 50 thousands years oops, so that all there dating evidence out the window, it has been proven that it is not accurate by any means, check out carbon dating flaws.

 

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[walshie 2,804]

I really don't want to get dragged into this again, but i am curious to know why if someone doesn't believe in god, they must believe in the Big Bang theory,

 

To my mind it's like saying if you don't believe in unicorns, you must believe in the Loch Ness Monster.

 

I don't really see why. I'm not a believer personally, and I don't really care if the big bang is true or not. To my mind we can't particularly prove either, and even if we could, we'd still be here arguing over our keyboards.

[hutch6 550]

Hutch you more or less said the God I love, is a piece of s..t, thats insulting.

 

 

No I didn't, I said your God was in everything and all around us. That means your God is in an apple, a car engine, a gun, a tree, a mayfly, the moon and everything in between. I didn't say your God was a piece of faecal matter at all, I said that your God is believed to be in that matter as all matter contains your God. Big difference but I guess how you read something and how your mind interprets it makes all the difference now doesn't it?

[frazdog 252]

Thers plenty more evidence for a young earth, like the earths magnetic field, which is weakening, which has been meaursed since 1890, an by awesime coincidence, were at the excact point in time were lfe can live on earth, if the earth is millions of years old how did we live back then when the magnetic field would have been to strong for life to exist.

 

Another fact is that the oldest recorded civilization is the egyptiabs, an they date back to 5000 years hmmmmm, no bother for creationists, but a spanner in the works for evos.

 

I think we were smarter in the past an iq levels were much higher when God created us, an we slowly losing it as everything in the universe is slowing dow., now how come the pyramids etc were built then by supposedley stupider people, saying were evolving an getting smarter, no we were smarter in past an have got dumber me thunks.

 

One last point, does the atheist like truther

[hutch6 550]

 

 

Nah cause walshie ,said, not to be insulting an youve insulted me already.

But here type your question into google, an you will find your answer, now off you pop.

 

Did I insult you? I fail to see where.

 

As for the whole google my question, what a surprise. God created time and as God created time then God exists outside of time and is therefore multi-dimensional and can exist in two dimension of time thus God can travel through time and isn't exposed to cause and effect yet God uses this quite well to their advantage a whole multitude of times.

 

Who writes this stuff?

 

God can travel to any point in time, any point in time at any point of time and yet God started where? In the Beginning of course. Not the middle or the bit after lunch, in the beginning. God created Adam, a 25-30yr old man who never once wondered where the chuffing heck he came from and how he appeared out of nowhere or even more mind bending why God had to take one of his ribs and then suddenly Eve appeared. Not once did Adam question how that was done.They had no means of writing anything down or documenting their existence so what evidence is there to back up that this actually happened? IF your lady partner gives birth to a baby girl you don't have to give up a rib, they are born exactly the same way as boys are and all other mammals regardless of what sex they are. Bit of a coincidence all that afterbirth stuff with every mammal don't you think?

If God created Adam and made it so Adam couldn't give birth then did Adam have nipples? If not then we are all created in Eve's image not God's or Adam's as both sexes in mammals all have nipples (all foetus start out in the female form).

 

Frazdog and Kev, you should be able to answer this one straight away, no thinking about it.

 

You both die and are whisked off up to heaven. As you're both walking around you see millions of people wandering about etc. Suddenly a man walks passed you and Frazdog says"Hi Adam!" Kev then turn to Fraz and asks "How did you know that was Adam?" Before Fraz can answer a woman walks passed and Fraz says "Hi Eve". Again, Kev asks "How did you know that was Eve?"

So how would you know Adam and Eve from every other person in Heaven?

 

"As for the whole google my question, what a surprise. God created time and as God created time then God exists outside of time and is therefore multi-dimensional and can exist in two dimension of time thus God can travel through time and isn't exposed to cause and effect yet God uses this quite well to their advantage a whole multitude of times"

 

My point a few pages back, if god made time, he's got to be on the outside of something he created, so he knows all time, and all the end results, a pointless existence? Or there's greater forces than him, like time itself? How many re runs can you watch?

 

How many re-runs of what can I watch? Man-made media? As many as I want if I know where to source them. Actual life events? None. There in lies your answer.