kevin kiely 66 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 some christians do be delighted when on their death bed because they are going to meet the almighty believe it or not come in from the wilderness people can anyone give an example of evolution in recent times? Link to post Share on other sites
kevin kiely 66 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 kev lad dont even bother lad,mushy again you havent a clue your saying bible is copied from were,haha gigamesh ffs you havent the first clue what you talk about,gig a mush was a local flood,not world wide,you need to get of that google an stop watching news your just a mouthpiece,no proper argument just plain blah blah blah,you sound like the crack head that lies down town.over my way,as kev said your a closet satanist, kev check out kent hovind on the tube he wiped the floor with every scientist he debated an for free,haha they had to put him in jail for dalse tax evasion cause he was dismantling,the elites plan for mankind,proving their evo theory dinosaurs,carbon dating,etc wrong he out next year il check him out Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,763 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Not one that would satisfy you. Plenty that satisfy biologists though... Link to post Share on other sites
Tozer 385 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 some christians do be delighted when on their death bed because they are going to meet the almighty believe it or not come in from the wilderness people can anyone give an example of evolution in recent times? Darwins finches: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin's_finches Tree frogs in relation to invasive species: http://gradworks.umi.com/34/83/3483206.html Species evolving to appear similar but not related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divergent_evolution Genetics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics Evolution is not linear it is a direct response to external influence. It is not total and species survive for as long as they can cling onto a niche. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Tozer 385 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Evolution does't happen in 'recent times' it takes many many years, if it happens in recent times it is usually because of dramatic changes to the environment. Link to post Share on other sites
Tozer 385 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 None of this discredits god if you will, it only discredits religious representatives who can't comprehend it and the power they hold. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
tinytiger 828 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Not one that would satisfy you. Plenty that satisfy biologists though... not all of them-its only a theory..no im not a creationist..id say modern livestock and crops are a good example of evolution(but they are still cows or spuds or pigs)..theres no proof of one species evolving into something differnt. Link to post Share on other sites
tinytiger 828 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 some christians do be delighted when on their death bed because they are going to meet the almighty believe it or not come in from the wilderness people can anyone give an example of evolution in recent times? im sure theyd rather be out kicking a football about though Link to post Share on other sites
Tozer 385 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Not one that would satisfy you. Plenty that satisfy biologists though... not all of them-its only a theory..no im not a creationist..id say modern livestock and crops are a good example of evolution(but they are still cows or spuds or pigs)..theres no proof of one species evolving into something differnt. But there is, there is masses of it. You just don't want to see it. You can cross and Aylesbury with a mallard, a dog with a wolf, you can't cross a fox with a dog. It takes a long time of divergence and a chance successful genetic change to make it so species cannot interbreed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
kevin kiely 66 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 anything that completely changed species? thats what were talking about isnt it? so according to atheists how are we the way we are because we evolved from what? Link to post Share on other sites
kevin kiely 66 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 some christians do be delighted when on their death bed because they are going to meet the almighty believe it or not come in from the wilderness people can anyone give an example of evolution in recent times? im sure theyd rather be out kicking a football about though good one Link to post Share on other sites
The Seeker 3,048 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 was God a human being? i have asked that question at least twice, my reasoning is, we were made in his image and his son was a human being and fraz Egypt has the longest recorded history but there is no mention of a world wide flood Ans: IMO No god isn't a human being then please explain how we can be an image of him. its a question i have never had a satisfactory answer to Because some take the scripture as a literal statement. To me if I describe my own son as being in the image of me it doesn't mean I think he looks exactly like me, more so he has my traits, my character etc. and before you jump on "ah so God is our character" this is an analogy. Let me ask you a question if we are ALL a product of evolution why is no other creature out of the million or so species on thus planet able to communicate. NOT through barks, grunts or squeals but to hold a rational conversation. You would think out of all the species over the last 400 million years at least one would have made first base, or are we different in some way? Just a thought.. At the end of it all if my failing is I take a bit of stick and ribbing through my life for being a man with faith and there is no heaven or hell and I got it wrong well what can I do about it which I honestly don't think, then at worst I come back as a tree or a bird or fade into nothing. However if I'm right.... I'm not trying to convince anyone find your own path but at least show some respect for those who have chosen theirs we are not all bible bashing blinkered idiots I've spent an awful lot of time reading and trying to understand. I question how much some of the people on here giving the piss take have read as much on the subject? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
tinytiger 828 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 id agree 90% with darwinds theory-was going to put up the finch link myself..theres massive gaps in it i.m.o-no fossils of intermediate forms are found..and nature seems to have basic plans that it adheres to e.g the sipmilarity of the extinct australian wolf(thylacine) to placental canids...if it was just completely blind and directionless theres no way that could happen Link to post Share on other sites
Tozer 385 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 was God a human being? i have asked that question at least twice, my reasoning is, we were made in his image and his son was a human being and fraz Egypt has the longest recorded history but there is no mention of a world wide flood Ans: IMO No god isn't a human being then please explain how we can be an image of him. its a question i have never had a satisfactory answer to Because some take the scripture as a literal statement. To me if I describe my own son as being in the image of me it doesn't mean I think he looks exactly like me, more so he has my traits, my character etc. and before you jump on "ah so God is our character" this is an analogy. Let me ask you a question if we are ALL a product of evolution why is no other creature out of the million or so species on thus planet able to communicate. NOT through barks, grunts or squeals but to hold a rational conversation. You would think out of all the species over the last 400 million years at least one would have made first base, or are we different in some way? Just a thought.. At the end of it all if my failing is I take a bit of stick and ribbing through my life for being a man with faith and there is no heaven or hell and I got it wrong well what can I do about it which I honestly don't think, then at worst I come back as a tree or a bird or fade into nothing. However if I'm right.... I'm not trying to convince anyone find your own path but at least show some respect for those who have chosen theirs we are not all bible bashing blinkered idiots I've spent an awful lot of time reading and trying to understand. I question how much some of the people on here giving the piss take have read as much on the subject? No one is trying to tell you what to think, yet religious people take it as an offence when others don't. As an atheist, I don't see my carcass, when I am done with it, as any better than the next animal I kill. We have a chance at life in the blink of time, by that chance we are cognitive, through the evolution of opposable thumbs and a line of evolution unique to everything else that has lead to our varied languages, if you look at apes and cetaceans there is a very varied communication. For the rest they have what is needed to make the most of a niche. There is no need for anything more. I can't and won't discredit anything more to life (am I agnostic?) but we make our own choices and take the chance in the time we have. My GF is Irish Catholic and I was shocked to find evolution was skimmed over in her school. Link to post Share on other sites
Tozer 385 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 id agree 90% with darwinds theory-was going to put up the finch link myself..theres massive gaps in it i.m.o-no fossils of intermediate forms are found..and nature seems to have basic plans that it adheres to e.g the sipmilarity of the extinct australian wolf(thylacine) to placental canids...if it was just completely blind and directionless theres no way that could happen It isn't completely blind, it runs via very very minor advantages, that is each generation shows a 0.0001% better survival for a certain trait, over a million years that adds up to a new species, or two different species( because the difference is not strong enough for the other to fail). The thylacine is an example of divergent eveolution, like the hedgehog and the Madagascan Tenrecs. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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