Hareydave 1,214 Posted September 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 of all gods creatures fraz are humans the only ones can see right an wrong Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 i would say humans are the only ones that can determine right from wrong! Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 hutch try reading the bible yourself mate instead of letting a priest make your mind up! Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 hutch try reading the bible yourself mate instead of letting a priest make your mind up! What does reading the bible accomplish? I've read it and its not swayed me to believe in it, and as for my kids being taught lies in school what a crock of shit, you see fraz not everybody is gullible enough to think they'll get struck down for not believing in a deity. You see millions of people have very fufilling lives without welcoming Jesus Christ into their lives, just because you believe it dosen't make you superior or better than anybody !! If my kids pray every night to God will their prayers be answered? Will my kids know right from wrong if they choose to not believe? 2 Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 the world flood was 4400 yrs ago. 2400 bc i dont mean mean to be arrogant lads honest! dog is living the others not! my point is your children are being fed lies right now as we speak in your primary schools by being taught evoloution. does that not bother you,remember your world view is how you base your life decisons on, an what there teaching kids is that theres no morals your just an animal no absolutes. i know mine is religon but the other side cant admit it cause theres an agenda behind it. either both get taught in school or none,thats the way it should be Now you see, this is the major issue for a lot of people. Nothing should be forced on anyone so why should we be teaching religion in schools if not all children are from religious families? Why are children mutilated at birth in the name of religion and then subjected to religious ceremony without their consent? Are your children not free to make their own decisions in life even if that means they go down a Buddhist route or they believe in evolution? Is your wife or partner not free to have their own beliefs? What about your parents, your siblings, your cousins, your neighbours? Are we not all free to believe what we want as long as our beliefs don't affect the lives of others that do not share the same? So are you against your children being taught science? By your avatar it looks like you have dogs or an interest in dogs, when did dogs first become domesticated Frazdog? When your children turn to you one day and say "Dad, when did dogs become domestic? When did cows become domesticated? When did humans first start farming? Why does the sun come up over there and yet it disappears over there? What is the sun made of daddy? What are stars daddy?" Are you just going to hand them a copy of the bible and tell them all the answers they will ever need to know on anything are contained within those pages? What agenda are you referring to Frazdog? Al lot of people would say there is an agenda behind religion with all the donations that seem to never get used anywhere yet the high and mighty bishops etc all have a dazzling array of precious metal adornments and even the pope gets a brand new gold ring as soon as he is crowned or whatever. Precious metals and riches beyond anything else on earth all to please a God who says you need nothing but the belief in me for eternal life. So much suffering around the world and the catholic church does nothing. So many Jews back in the Holy Land and God hasn't shown himself to anyone. So many jaguars, porches, bentley's, BMWs, Audi's and even just everyday average cars parked outside churches. So many homeless within yards of your door, why are they not eating at your table and sleeping in your beds? Why do so many business people give speeches about money and say they are thankful to God for their success rather than their hard work and the people that have supported them? I have asked you many questions Frazdog and you haven't answered half of them. What is a soul? What is right and wrong Frazdog? What is right, define it for me in your own words. What is wrong? Define that in your own words. If I ask myself "Am I harming anyone or causing suffering to an animal in doing what I am, do I have permission and would I like this doing to me?" and if the answer to these is that I am causing harm or suffering, or I don't have permission or I wouldn't enjoy it then I am doing wrong in my mind. If, in your mind, there is no difference between a pancake or a Yorkshire pudding then there is no difference between skin, nails, horn, feather, scale and hoof as they all use the same ingredients so how is it not possible for one to change into the other dependant on environment? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 if you dont think so just look at the statistics in america since 1963 they took.bible out an relpaced it with evoloution,go an look an then say its no harm. johnny i dont think im superior maste lol were did you get that from im a humble man. if they pray to the one true god of bible there prays wlll be answered. i dont know how do you define right an wrong whatever you teach them. if your kids disobedient what do you say no dont do that.an they say why.an you say ohh its not nice. that dont cut the mustard mate Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 hutch try reading the bible yourself mate instead of letting a priest make your mind up! Why do I need to read the bible myself if I have been taught it, taught about it and made to read it from a very young age and it doesn't sit right with me? Please tell me how a Priest has made my mind up? Who would teach the Bible in schools Frazdog by the way? Who leads your sermons on a Sunday, carries out the service at mass and confirms you into the church? Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Frazdog. I'm pleased for you that you have something you believe in, but would you simply keep this up until you've "converted" everyone on here whether they want to be converted or not? This might have started out as a debate, but it's ended up as page after page of you telling everyone with different beliefs to you that they're wrong. Now you're telling people they can't bring their kids up right if they don't believe. That's pretty insulting don't you think? Even the Field Marshall wanted this thread closed. Link to post Share on other sites
hutch6 550 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 if you dont think so just look at the statistics in america since 1963 they took.bible out an relpaced it with evoloution,go an look an then say its no harm. johnny i dont think im superior maste lol were did you get that from im a humble man. if they pray to the one true god of bible there prays wlll be answered. i dont know how do you define right an wrong whatever you teach them. if your kids disobedient what do you say no dont do that.an they say why.an you say ohh its not nice. that dont cut the mustard mate That doesn't cut the mustard at all!!! What you need to do is do what the bible instructs you to do under Gods commandments and if you don't then you're buggered. It tells you what to do with disobedient kids in Deuteronomy 21: 18-21 - If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. And they shall say to the elders of his city, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard." Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear. I've made it nice and big so it's clear to read. So if explaining to them what they are doing is wrong or shouting at them or the threat of God's wrath or whatever you may like to try doesn't work you're supposed to just stone them to death. But doesn't the Bible say thou shall not kill? Such contradictions. God says one thing but then says another. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 if they pray to the one true god of bible there prays wlll be answered. So all these Christians around the world are praying to the one true God for lets say peace and love in the world, WHY are these prayers not being answered? If it was that simple then we'd all be devout Christians and lead this wonderful life with no pain and suffering, why don't amputees who are devout get their limbs back or children whose parents are devout Christians still get cancer and other life ending disease's? Link to post Share on other sites
Ggib 370 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Because paradise is with The Lord not here on earth Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 walshie your beginning to be a nark mate. people are making.points an so am i from each of our perspectives, having a good old debate if you have nothing to say dont read.simple an those words you used are yours not mine im describing how im doing it an so are others that was the men of that day thats how they done it god didnt tell.them to do that mate sorry Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I'd still like to see the answer to if it's correct to stone your kids to death. Link to post Share on other sites
frazdog 252 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 christians know that following jesus will not be an easy life,true christians know were going to be persecuted an even put to death for jesus name sake. well be rewarded in heaven if we trust the lord here on earth,im humble an the simpliest things im happy with. an what ggib is 100% right Link to post Share on other sites
Hareydave 1,214 Posted September 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 walshie your beginning to be a nark mate. people are making.points an so am i from each of our perspectives, having a good old debate if you have nothing to say dont read.simple an those words you used are yours not mine im describing how im doing it an so are others that was the men of that day thats how they done it god didnt tell.them to do that mate sorry yeah fraz but on here walshie god lol 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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