God

[delswal 3,819]

Building the Ark........

 

Wood is not the best material for shipbuilding. It is not enough that a ship be built to hold together; it must also be sturdy enough that the changing stresses don't open gaps in its hull. Wood is simply not strong enough to prevent separation between the joints, especially in the heavy seas that the Ark would have encountered. The longest wooden ships in modern seas are about 300 feet, and these require reinforcing with iron straps and leak so badly they must be constantly pumped. The ark was 450 feet long.

 

Gathering the animals.......

 

Bringing all kinds of animals together in the vicinity of the ark presents significant problems.

Could animals have traveled from elsewhere? If the animals traveled from other parts of the world, many of them would have faced extreme difficulties.

• Some, like sloths and penguins, can't travel overland very well at all.
• Some, like koalas and many insects, require a special diet. How did they bring it along?
• Some cave-dwelling arthropods can't survive in less than 100% relative humidity.
• Some, like dodos, must have lived on islands. If they didn't, they would have been easy prey for other animals. When mainland species like rats or pigs are introduced to islands, they drive many indigenous species to extinction. Those species would not have been able to survive such competition if they lived where mainland species could get at them before the Flood.

Could animals have all lived near Noah? Some creationists suggest that the animals need not have traveled far to reach the Ark; a moderate climate could have made it possible for all of them to live nearby all along. However, this proposal makes matters even worse. The last point above would have applied not only to island species, but to almost all species. Competition between species would have driven most of them to extinction.

There is a reason why Gila monsters, yaks, and quetzals don't all live together in a temperate climate. They can't survive there, at least not for long without special care. Organisms have preferred environments outside of which they are at a deadly disadvantage. Most extinctions are caused by destroying the organisms' preferred environments. The creationists who propose all the species living together in a uniform climate are effectively proposing the destruction of all environments but one. Not many species could have survived that.

Bringing all kinds of animals together in the vicinity of the ark presents significant problems.

Could animals have traveled from elsewhere? If the animals traveled from other parts of the world, many of them would have faced extreme difficulties.

• Some, like sloths and penguins, can't travel overland very well at all.
• Some, like koalas and many insects, require a special diet. How did they bring it along?
• Some cave-dwelling arthropods can't survive in less than 100% relative humidity.
• Some, like dodos, must have lived on islands. If they didn't, they would have been easy prey for other animals. When mainland species like rats or pigs are introduced to islands, they drive many indigenous species to extinction. Those species would not have been able to survive such competition if they lived where mainland species could get at them before the Flood.

Could animals have all lived near Noah? Some creationists suggest that the animals need not have traveled far to reach the Ark; a moderate climate could have made it possible for all of them to live nearby all along. However, this proposal makes matters even worse. The last point above would have applied not only to island species, but to almost all species. Competition between species would have driven most of them to extinction.

There is a reason why Gila monsters, yaks, and quetzals don't all live together in a temperate climate. They can't survive there, at least not for long without special care. Organisms have preferred environments outside of which they are at a deadly disadvantage. Most extinctions are caused by destroying the organisms' preferred environments. The creationists who propose all the species living together in a uniform climate are effectively proposing the destruction of all environments but one. Not many species could have survived that.

So in a word Johnny, you think its a crock of sh*t then lol

[johnny boy68 11,726]

 

Building the Ark........

 

Wood is not the best material for shipbuilding. It is not enough that a ship be built to hold together; it must also be sturdy enough that the changing stresses don't open gaps in its hull. Wood is simply not strong enough to prevent separation between the joints, especially in the heavy seas that the Ark would have encountered. The longest wooden ships in modern seas are about 300 feet, and these require reinforcing with iron straps and leak so badly they must be constantly pumped. The ark was 450 feet long.

 

Gathering the animals.......

 

Bringing all kinds of animals together in the vicinity of the ark presents significant problems.

Could animals have traveled from elsewhere? If the animals traveled from other parts of the world, many of them would have faced extreme difficulties.

• Some, like sloths and penguins, can't travel overland very well at all.
• Some, like koalas and many insects, require a special diet. How did they bring it along?
• Some cave-dwelling arthropods can't survive in less than 100% relative humidity.
• Some, like dodos, must have lived on islands. If they didn't, they would have been easy prey for other animals. When mainland species like rats or pigs are introduced to islands, they drive many indigenous species to extinction. Those species would not have been able to survive such competition if they lived where mainland species could get at them before the Flood.

Could animals have all lived near Noah? Some creationists suggest that the animals need not have traveled far to reach the Ark; a moderate climate could have made it possible for all of them to live nearby all along. However, this proposal makes matters even worse. The last point above would have applied not only to island species, but to almost all species. Competition between species would have driven most of them to extinction.

There is a reason why Gila monsters, yaks, and quetzals don't all live together in a temperate climate. They can't survive there, at least not for long without special care. Organisms have preferred environments outside of which they are at a deadly disadvantage. Most extinctions are caused by destroying the organisms' preferred environments. The creationists who propose all the species living together in a uniform climate are effectively proposing the destruction of all environments but one. Not many species could have survived that.

Bringing all kinds of animals together in the vicinity of the ark presents significant problems.

Could animals have traveled from elsewhere? If the animals traveled from other parts of the world, many of them would have faced extreme difficulties.

• Some, like sloths and penguins, can't travel overland very well at all.
• Some, like koalas and many insects, require a special diet. How did they bring it along?
• Some cave-dwelling arthropods can't survive in less than 100% relative humidity.
• Some, like dodos, must have lived on islands. If they didn't, they would have been easy prey for other animals. When mainland species like rats or pigs are introduced to islands, they drive many indigenous species to extinction. Those species would not have been able to survive such competition if they lived where mainland species could get at them before the Flood.

Could animals have all lived near Noah? Some creationists suggest that the animals need not have traveled far to reach the Ark; a moderate climate could have made it possible for all of them to live nearby all along. However, this proposal makes matters even worse. The last point above would have applied not only to island species, but to almost all species. Competition between species would have driven most of them to extinction.

There is a reason why Gila monsters, yaks, and quetzals don't all live together in a temperate climate. They can't survive there, at least not for long without special care. Organisms have preferred environments outside of which they are at a deadly disadvantage. Most extinctions are caused by destroying the organisms' preferred environments. The creationists who propose all the species living together in a uniform climate are effectively proposing the destruction of all environments but one. Not many species could have survived that.

So in a word Johnny, you think its a crock of sh*t then lol

 

I've got more of that too lol

 

This great flood that happened wasn't even seen or documented by the ancient egyptians but a creationist will come back with it wasn't a global flood, if thats the case then people and animals from other parts of the world would've lived. :hmm:

[mushroom 13,578]

 

A fuuckin lot Lab mate lol mrs Noah was well piissed off lmao

I've had a google and they reckon it's about 5000 pairs.

What I can't understand if God was so powerful, powerful enough that he can make the world, he could do all these amazing things. He summons a man called Noah, tells him to build an ark because there's a flood on its way ( which he starts) , this Ark took years tae build and he had to get 2 of every animsl in it with 40 days worth of food stocked up.

Would it not have been better just to say "your all dead and I'm starting again.? Ffs it only took him a week the first time...he's taken years tae end it.lol

FLMAO

[frazdog 252]

truther paulas johnny lads what yous boys just spouted i disagree

[paulus 26]

what about crocodiles they can swim

[paulus 26]

see this bloke has a very different version of a similar thing

 

[delswal 3,819]

Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. 14 So make yourself an ark of cypress[c] wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out. 15 This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be three hundred cubits long, fifty cubits wide and thirty cubits high.[d] 16 Make a roof for it, leaving below the roof an opening one cubit[e] high all around.[f] Put a door in the side of the ark and make lower, middle and upper decks.17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you,and you will enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife and your sons’ wives with you. 19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them.”

22 Noah did everything just as God commanded him.

7 The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.”

Date
(B.C.)

EGYPT

MESOPOTAMIA
AND ASIA MINOR

CHINA

3200
to
3100

Unification of Egypt under Menes.
1st Dynasty - 3100 B.C.

Rise of Sumerian city-states: Summer, Akkad, Ur, Nippur, Susa, Kish.

Settled communities in Yellow River Valley.

3000
to
2900

Hor-aha rules Egypt.
Royal tombs at Abydos.
Dynasty II.

Troy furnished.
Bronze utilised.
First Walled Cities

Yang-shoa culture.
Predynastic ages.
Red Pottery Cultures.

2800
to
2700

Start of the Old Kingdom Pharoah Djoster (2780).
Step Pyramid at Sakkara.

lst Dynasty of Ur (2850 - 2450).
Gilgamesh king.
Dynasty II under Agga.

Fu His Period.
Shen Nung reign.
“Five Emperor” Period.

2600
to
2500

Cheops rules - builds Great Pyramid at Giza.
5th Dynasty (2450).

Shara temple & gypsum statuettes at Tell Asmar. Troy II (2500 - 2100)

Huang-ti, the “Yellow Emperor” rules - 2697. Black Pottery Culture

The
Flood

2400
to
2300

Unis King (2400).
Pepi I King - 6th Dynasty (2350 – 2200).

Sargon I unites Mesopotamia, establishes Akkadian Empire (2400 - 2270).

Yao Dynasty (2356 - 2255).
Shun becomes Emperor.

2200
to
2100

Dynasties VII to X.
Middle Kingdom (2200 - 1800) Dynasties XI & XII.

Naram-Sin rules: 2250.
Gatiun Dynasty (2050). Empire of Ur established.

Hsia Dynasty (2205 – 1800).
Yu emperor.
Emperor Chu rules.

2000
to
1900

Thebes established. Pharoah Amenemhet I (200 - 1970)

Isin-Larsa Period.
3rd Dynasty of Ur (2050 - 1950).
Hurran Arrival

Pu-Chang reign.
Huang Period.
Kao Emperor.

1800
to
1700

13th & 14th Dynasties.
Hykos rule (1700 - 1550).
Rule from Memphis.

1st Dynasty of Babylonian kings (1830).
Hammurabi (1760).

Shang Dynasty (1800 - 1200).
Use of Bronze.

 

Date
(B.C.)

INDUS VALLEY

PHOENICIA AND PALESTINE

MINOAN AND GREECE

3000
to
2900

Indus Valley Communities at Mohenjo-daro.

Phoenicians settle eastern Mediterranean coast.
Temples built on Malta.

Start of Crete Civilization.
Migration of Greek speaking peoples.

2800
to
2700

Cities with roads and indoor plumbing.
King Sha-Kuni.

Phoenician city of Byblos trades with Egypt.
Early bronze period.

Minoan Pottery and tools.
Early Hellenic era.
Ionians come to Greece.

2600
to
2500

King Asa-Manja.
Rise of advanced civilization (2500).

Early Philistine cities. Phoenicians sail to Greece and Britain.

Early Minoan I Period in Crete (2500-1950).
King Minos of Crete

The
Flood

2400
to
2300

Harrappa culture (2500 – 1700).
King Kusha.
King Basu II.

Proto-Canaanite tribes infiltrate Palestine.
Tyre and Sidon established.

City of Knossos established.
Hieroglyphic writing used.

2200
to
2100

Shata-raths king.
Aryans invasion (2150).
King Kusha.

Hittities settle in Anatolia. Extensive Mediteranean trade established.

Use of bronze on Crete. Palace built at Knossos. Early Minoan II period.

2000
to
1900

Vedic period.
“Great Lotus” as ruler.
Ayrans settle North India.

Middle Bronze Age. Abraham arrives in land of Canaan.

Middle Helladic Era. Mycenaeans invade Southern Greece.

 

It seems the big fella for got about 1 or 2 civilisations huh!

 

Tell you what let's compromise that way everybody can be right in their own way. I think god used the big bang to create earth, see both parties right then

 

Then the aliens heard the bang and thought who's making all that racket? Let's go have a look, then even Eric Von Daniken theory holds up.

 

See everyones a winner

 

Well it sounds more convincing than some theories I've heard so far

[delswal 3,819]

well that never copied and pasted correctly lol……….divine intervention maybe lol,

[Flipper_Al 1,012]

Noah 950 years old... ummmmm

[johnny boy68 11,726]

truther paulas johnny lads what yous boys just spouted i disagree

So what was it then.......a localised flood,a great flood or a global flood?

 

Anything other than a global flood and a ark full of all the animals wouldn't have been needed, if it was a global flood why didn't the ancient egyptians document it? The egyptians are fond of documenting stuff with thieir hieroglyphs and such, I find it strange that they didn't document it having been around at the time !!

[johnny boy68 11,726]

Noah 950 years old... ummmmm

Flying teapots mun.

[Lab 10,979]

 

 

truther paulas johnny lads what yous boys just spouted i disagree

So what was it then.......a localised flood,a great flood or a global flood?

 

Anything other than a global flood and a ark full of all the animals wouldn't have been needed, if it was a global flood why didn't the ancient egyptians document it? The egyptians are fond of documenting stuff with thieir hieroglyphs and such, I find it strange that they document it having been around at the time !!

I'd imagine a pair of wellies would have been the bare minimum...??

[General lee 979]

 

 

 

Atheist are the most self righteous arrogant know all people I've ever come across they are so convinced of something they have no proof of that they feel they can be condescending and take the piss out of everyone els because they believe something different

 

Aye. You often find them on streets in town centres trying to force their leaflets into your hands, shouting crap from textbooks, all scrapping over who's quantum theory is the best, knocking on your day every weekend and asking if you've found the periodic table or turning any disused building into a place of research. Right arrogant b*****ds aren't they? GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

That growl sounds mean haha but I do agree with your post arrogant b*****ds atheists are

Don't get me started!!

 

One knocked on my door the other weekend right when I was just about to read the story of Moses to the neighbourhood kids, anyway, I open the door and there they are in their typical lab coats, googles on their foreheads and the arrows from their Parker Pens hanging over their lapel pockets.

"How are you today?" They ask.

"Fair to middling" says I.

"Awfully sorry to bother you but we are hear to today to spread the awareness of Oxygen. Have you got Oxygen in your life?" they ask, nay, force upon me with their pens at the ready on their check sheets, no doubt doing research. Research, on my bloody doorstop!!! How dare they?!?!

"I'm sorry, but God keeps me alive with the love he provides and I eat his Son's body and drink his blood every time I go to mass so I don;t need your sodding Oxygen with its impurities and New Age rubbish."

I was just about to shut the door in their evil, non-believing faces when they had the audacity to force another piece of f-ing research on me!!

"So what are your thoughts on Fermium?"

Well I tried my best not to knock them the fook out at this point but as I am of a peaceful persuasion I figured I'd answer them.

"Oh I get it now!! This is all about that big bang thing isn't it? Why do you always have to take stuff back to that shit? Why can't you just keep your banging and your bigging to yourself? I don't go around your house or pester you whilst you;re going about your business with Jesus and the Lord God almighty, praise be his name, Holy Mary Mother of God, do I? No. So how did we get Fermium then?" I took a sharp intake of breath and thought of the persecution of Moses and the hardships he faced and that gave me the strength to endure their intrusion into my life and them forcing their Science on me.

"Well Fermium is the irradiation of........"

"No thanks" and I slammed the door in their faces.

I walked back through the house and as I got to the back garden I could here them forcing their Science on my neighbour. Who do they think they are to go around forcing their Science on folk like us? Science created oil and more wars are started over oil than anything else. Just look at the supermarket price war of 2011 or the fuel shortage of 2000 with rolling road blocks and picketed gates. I just laughed at them from atop my donkey and waved my palm leaf at them. The remains and squished bits of dinosaurs my arse!!!! Oil is nothing but shit made behind closed doors in really hot places like Saudi, that's why there is a car called Audi. It's all a conspiracy.

Hahaha looks like your started already mate see what I mean another atheist going on about shit there all f***ing lunatics haha

[WILF 48,444]

NONE OF IT HAS BEEN PROVEN !!.......lol lol

[Truther 1,579]

 

Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth. 14 So make yourself an ark of cypress[c] wood; make rooms in it and coat it with pitch inside and out. 15 This is how you are to build it: The ark is to be three hundred cubits long, fifty cubits wide and thirty cubits high.[d] 16 Make a roof for it, leaving below the roof an opening one cubit[e] high all around.[f] Put a door in the side of the ark and make lower, middle and upper decks.17 I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you,and you will enter the ark—you and your sons and your wife and your sons’ wives with you. 19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them.”

22 Noah did everything just as God commanded him.

7 The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.”

Date

(B.C.)

EGYPT

MESOPOTAMIA

AND ASIA MINOR

CHINA

3200

to

3100

Unification of Egypt under Menes.

1st Dynasty - 3100 B.C.

Rise of Sumerian city-states: Summer, Akkad, Ur, Nippur, Susa, Kish.

Settled communities in Yellow River Valley.

3000

to

2900

Hor-aha rules Egypt.

Royal tombs at Abydos.

Dynasty II.

Troy furnished.

Bronze utilised.

First Walled Cities

Yang-shoa culture.

Predynastic ages.

Red Pottery Cultures.

2800

to

2700

Start of the Old Kingdom Pharoah Djoster (2780).

Step Pyramid at Sakkara.

lst Dynasty of Ur (2850 - 2450).

Gilgamesh king.

Dynasty II under Agga.

Fu His Period.

Shen Nung reign.

“Five Emperor” Period.

2600

to

2500

Cheops rules - builds Great Pyramid at Giza.

5th Dynasty (2450).

Shara temple & gypsum statuettes at Tell Asmar. Troy II (2500 - 2100)

Huang-ti, the “Yellow Emperor” rules - 2697. Black Pottery Culture

The

Flood

2400

to

2300

Unis King (2400).

Pepi I King - 6th Dynasty (2350 – 2200).

Sargon I unites Mesopotamia, establishes Akkadian Empire (2400 - 2270).

Yao Dynasty (2356 - 2255).

Shun becomes Emperor.

2200

to

2100

Dynasties VII to X.

Middle Kingdom (2200 - 1800) Dynasties XI & XII.

Naram-Sin rules: 2250.

Gatiun Dynasty (2050). Empire of Ur established.

Hsia Dynasty (2205 – 1800).

Yu emperor.

Emperor Chu rules.

2000

to

1900

Thebes established. Pharoah Amenemhet I (200 - 1970)

Isin-Larsa Period.

3rd Dynasty of Ur (2050 - 1950).

Hurran Arrival

Pu-Chang reign.

Huang Period.

Kao Emperor.

1800

to

1700

13th & 14th Dynasties.

Hykos rule (1700 - 1550).

Rule from Memphis.

1st Dynasty of Babylonian kings (1830).

Hammurabi (1760).

Shang Dynasty (1800 - 1200).

Use of Bronze.

 

Date

(B.C.)

INDUS VALLEY

PHOENICIA AND PALESTINE

MINOAN AND GREECE

3000

to

2900

Indus Valley Communities at Mohenjo-daro.

Phoenicians settle eastern Mediterranean coast.

Temples built on Malta.

Start of Crete Civilization.

Migration of Greek speaking peoples.

2800

to

2700

Cities with roads and indoor plumbing.

King Sha-Kuni.

Phoenician city of Byblos trades with Egypt.

Early bronze period.

Minoan Pottery and tools.

Early Hellenic era.

Ionians come to Greece.

2600

to

2500

King Asa-Manja.

Rise of advanced civilization (2500).

Early Philistine cities. Phoenicians sail to Greece and Britain.

Early Minoan I Period in Crete (2500-1950).

King Minos of Crete

The

Flood

2400

to

2300

Harrappa culture (2500 – 1700).

King Kusha.

King Basu II.

Proto-Canaanite tribes infiltrate Palestine.

Tyre and Sidon established.

City of Knossos established.

Hieroglyphic writing used.

2200

to

2100

Shata-raths king.

Aryans invasion (2150).

King Kusha.

Hittities settle in Anatolia. Extensive Mediteranean trade established.

Use of bronze on Crete. Palace built at Knossos. Early Minoan II period.

2000

to

1900

Vedic period.

“Great Lotus” as ruler.

Ayrans settle North India.

Middle Bronze Age. Abraham arrives in land of Canaan.

Middle Helladic Era. Mycenaeans invade Southern Greece.

 

It seems the big fella for got about 1 or 2 civilisations huh!

 

Tell you what let's compromise that way everybody can be right in their own way. I think god used the big bang to create earth, see both parties right then

 

Then the aliens heard the bang and thought who's making all that racket? Let's go have a look, then even Eric Von Daniken theory holds up.

 

See everyones a winner

 

Well it sounds more convincing than some theories I've heard so far

 

You can never prove or disprove a "creator" mate, maybe there is a grand architect somehow/somewhere? Personally i don't have a problem with that, but i do have a problem with religion, just look at their money, i thought a rich man could pass through the eye of a needle easier than entering heaven, bit hypercritical eh