Running dogs and treadmills??

[terriermad 4]

unless you know what you are doing mate i wouldnt bother , a mill is good for stabina and building up wind but at the same time by working a running dog on a mill it will build muscle and you dont want to much muscle on a lurcher ! i will brake it down for you ! first of all you have to picture in your mind the stature of a dog running in a strait line ! if you ran in a strait line long enough to build up the only muscles you would use by doing this then all you would be doing is training your body to run in a strait line , when you wanted to turn left or right it would be taxing on certan muscle groups you would use to turn L . R . simply because you have built up strait line muscles to a graiter extent than your L.R. muscles ! boy you could run fast in a strait line but when it was time to corner then you would start to pull muscles as soon as you had to turn , how meny running dogs do you know of that only runs it strait lines ? run round a stick clockwise for two weeks then enter a race running round a stick anticlockwise against condenders that has been training to run round a stick anticlockwise who do you think would win ? lol , i could go on and on into this but i just havent got the time and the grammar to spell all the fancie words lol , tredmill no good for lurchers , tred mill good for working bull dogs , tredmill good for track greys if you know how to use them , now i am sure that there is going to be some fancie posts on this so take it all in and use common sence :crazy:

never realy thaught about it but it makes sense

[fathom 2]

unless you know what you are doing mate i wouldnt bother , a mill is good for stabina and building up wind but at the same time by working a running dog on a mill it will build muscle and you dont want to much muscle on a lurcher ! i will brake it down for you ! first of all you have to picture in your mind the stature of a dog running in a strait line ! if you ran in a strait line long enough to build up the only muscles you would use by doing this then all you would be doing is training your body to run in a strait line , when you wanted to turn left or right it would be taxing on certan muscle groups you would use to turn L . R . simply because you have built up strait line muscles to a graiter extent than your L.R. muscles ! boy you could run fast in a strait line but when it was time to corner then you would start to pull muscles as soon as you had to turn , how meny running dogs do you know of that only runs it strait lines ? run round a stick clockwise for two weeks then enter a race running round a stick anticlockwise against condenders that has been training to run round a stick anticlockwise who do you think would win ? lol , i could go on and on into this but i just havent got the time and the grammar to spell all the fancie words lol , tredmill no good for lurchers , tred mill good for working bull dogs , tredmill good for track greys if you know how to use them , now i am sure that there is going to be some fancie posts on this so take it all in and use common sence :crazy:

never realy thaught about it but it makes sense

 

yes it does make sense and i can understand were hunter cammo is coming from i've had alot of replies to my post and im very grateful, i would'nt being using the treadmill to build up muscle just a temperary replacement for road work little the foot gets better, just want to use it to stop the dogs from getting to much out of shape. thanks all for the advice

[hunter cammo 0]

wasnt

trying to argue eggy just put my point across and in my opinion cammo hunter is full of sh*te i nearly p*ssed myself laughing with his l and r muscles

and coursing dogs are as agile as any lurcher

 

L AND R = left and right ! do you have a left and a right side ! duh

[hunter cammo 0]

wasnt

trying to argue eggy just put my point across and in my opinion cammo hunter is full of sh*te i nearly p*ssed myself laughing with his l and r muscles

and coursing dogs are as agile as any lurcher

 

L AND R = left and right ! do you have a left and a right side ! duh

 

only one full of shit here is you ! just look through your posts on this thred and work it out for yourself lol now dont go editing them cos if you do that you will look even more silly than you already have made youself look

Edited October 17, 2007 by hunter cammo

[miles 227]

What a great thread I like to think of it as more of a debate than an argument

Tread mills certainly have there place in the conditioning of lurchers of any breed what ever its intended use.BUT i would say as part of an all round conditioning programe,including road work,sprint drills and of course..........the real thing i.e there.s no better traning for chasing stuff,,,,,,,,,than chasing stuff!

A work out on a tredmill is primerily a cardio-vascular (heart-lungs) work out,and should be used progressivley,in the first few weeks 5 to 10 mins is plenty, getting the dog used to the treadmill and in the habit of going on...establishing a routine

One,ce this is established the length of the sessions can be increased.........................PROGRESSIVLEY You can even start to throw a few intervals in,eg ;warm up 10 mins,2mins@15mph,2min at 5mph(recovery),2min at 15mph etc 10 mins warm down.

Running on a tread mill and running "for real" are different,running on the open road,feild is harder,so like i say,its a useful tool if your laid up or its pissing it down

Interestinly D/D mentions the Forley cup,ye the tread mill was part of some of these dogs training but trotting behind the motor formed the greater part of their training,if youve got quite lanes near you its brilliant exersise ,i know lads that do it religously,rain,hail or shine and their dogs are in fantastic condition

L and R muscles there called antagonists , synergists and fixators,as no muscle works in isolation.

Hope this helps.......keep up the healthy ..............debate

Edited October 17, 2007 by miles

[hunter cammo 0]

What a great thread I like to think of it as more of a debate than an argument

Tread mills certainly have there place in the conditioning of lurchers of any breed what ever its intended use.BUT i would say as part of an all round conditioning programe,including road work,sprint drills and of course..........the real thing i.e there.s no better traning for chasing stuff,,,,,,,,,than chasing stuff!

A work out on a tredmill is primerily a cardio-vascular (heart-lungs) work out,and should be used progressivley,in the first few weeks 5 to 10 mins is plenty, getting the dog used to the treadmill and in the habit of going on...establishing a routine

One,ce this is established the length of the sessions can be increased.........................PROGRESSIVLEY You can even start to throw a few intervals in,eg ;warm up 10 mins,2mins@15mph,2min at 5mph(recovery),2min at 15mph etc 10 mins warm down.

Running on a tread mill and running "for real" are different,running on the open road,feild is harder,so like i say,its a useful tool if your laid up or its pissing it down

Interestinly D/D mentions the Forley cup,ye the tread mill was part of some of these dogs training but trotting behind the motor formed the greater part of their training,if youve got quite lanes near you its brilliant exersise ,i know lads that do it religously,rain,hail or shine and their dogs are in fantastic condition

L and R muscles there called antagonists , synergists and fixators,as no muscle works in isolation.

Hope this helps.......keep up the healthy ..............debate

 

i knew it wouldnt be long before the fancie words came out lol ! so with all the fancie words could you please explain to mr deputydog that there is difrent muscle groups ie L R in my languege ! and that for someone to just brake a leg and then start using a mill on there dog is not advised ! road work is what works for me and to tell the truth a mill is only of eny use to my bygone days of the bulls ! not so long ago i was layed up with a broken foot but i had crutches and still got my dogs out for a walk and a run about the feilds ! there is exersises to isolait all muscles and a tred mill is one of them ! but as you have said ( no muscle works in isolation) that is very true ! but in a lurcher it is not muscle mass we are trying to build ! muscle taxes oxegen and builds up latic acids , balance is what is needed in a lurcher, and it helps if they have the prowes like a cat