gnasher16 30,534 Posted July 31, 2014 Report Share Posted July 31, 2014 Of course, but compare that to a country with equal chance of getting caught but lighter sentencing? Where do YOU choose to do bussiness? Im a greedy c**t so id head for Malaysia ....but like i say its risk/reward so you take your pick.....taking your pick doesnt stop the crime itself though. I dont agree with your points mate.......but what would your realistic answer to the problem be ?... keeping societies othercrimes/ punishment/sentancing guidelines in mind ? I want to say shoot or dissfigure the dosey twats, but that perhaps won't go down too well. Any dog killing should be considered man slaughter, any dog mauling should be considered gross negligence. Publicly make examples of people, plaster the consiquences of trials all over the media, hammer it into the thick f*****g sculls of societies pond life that responsibility is at your own feet. Possibly introduce CBT for dog ownership. Educate people thoroughly on the potential threat the have and the consiquences of not being responsible in their ways. That's the best I have. Bottom line, an accident won't be happening to anyone I love because I'd throttle a thousand men to protect the little baby that it's my job in life to protect never mind let a dog near to them. All apart from the manslaughter and cbt i cant see anything there thats not already here......we can stand there telling people to be responsible till we are blue in the face we,re just taking their word for it that they will be......id rather take that power away from them prevention better than cure and all that caper......anyway we,ll continue this another time go and get your kip chief Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 (edited) We just can't afford certain things though born.......is it fair I can't afford to insure certain cars, but my neighbour can? There's so many things I'd like to do, but I'm simply priced out of the market, because I don't have much money......& I'm living in a democracy........but I don't think it's not fair, as an individual, I know if I'd made more effort, I'd have more money to do what ever I wanted..... So I really don't think an insurance on potentially lethal dogs.....should be an argument about fairness, based on my wealth......the problem runs deeper than that......like enforcement...... Edited to say......my bedtime too :-) Yes that's perfectly fair, he's earnt that. The dog situation is different, the purpose of this insurance is completely different. car insurance is to ensure that any accidents are sorted out fairly and the greater risk of you causing an accident combined with the potential cost of that accident dictates the premium. In the case of dogs, the 'insurance' isn't really insurance at all, it's effectively a licence that is costed in the same way as car insurance is. The reason i say that is because it's purpose isn't to settle any accidents fairly (how can any amount of money be compensation for you daughter being dissfigured or killed?), it's to prevent high risk individuals from owning high risk dogs. But it only prevents low income high risk individuals, no high income high risk individuals, so to my mind it's different to car insurance and completely unfair. This isn't about paying for 3rd party damages, it's about preventing an accident. But a big prison sentence hasn't prevented anything either........it's punishment after the act & then you're gambling on the fact that others would be dissuaded from buying certain breeds....Surely we are in agreement that most of these serious incidents are the fault of moronic owners? If that's the case, then does tougher sentencing enter the mindset of morons? I think not.... If we are talking about class & risk assessment, I would say take a look at the data we have on fatal incidents, take a look at the backgrounds of the victims & the owners of the dogs......how many are from privileged family's? If there is higher risk in certain areas of society, that has to be taken in to account, regardless of appearing fair. If hypothetically we went down the insurance route.....it could be part of mandatory chipping, I had a dog chipped over here recently & got a pet passport at the same time, all of the info is on the chip......a quick scan tells you it's covered or not...... That could help surely?..........you're walking down the road with your Akita, pressa etc etc.....you get stopped, no chip, no insurance....you lose your dog, I you can't afford certain supposed dangerous breeds, you don't have them..... It wouldn't stop incidents, but it could help to reduce them. Edited August 1, 2014 by Accip74 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 What if you're a rich idiot who can easily afford to have 10 giant nasty dogs insured? I don't insure my dogs,does that make me an unworthy owner? If I couldn't afford to do so would that prove I'm any less qualified? I'd go as far as saying the people least able to afford insurance generally much more qualified to own aggressive dogs than those who can easily afford it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 What if you're a rich idiot who can easily afford to have 10 giant nasty dogs insured? I don't insure my dogs,does that make me an unworthy owner? If I couldn't afford to do so would that prove I'm any less qualified? I'd go as far as saying the people least able to afford insurance generally much more qualified to own aggressive dogs than those who can easily afford it. Neems I don't disagree with any of that mate.......just throwing ideas out there, I certainly couldn't afford a high insurance premium/licence on a certain dog......so I wouldn't get one, just trying to look at stats & prevention......being unfair may be effective in some ways..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dare 1,103 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Surely if prevention is better than a cure the idiots need educating? So many people rush out and buy dogs without any previous experience of owning a dog. Tougher punishment on those with out of control dogs and people have to attend classes to train their dog and get experience handling a dog. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
snappeer 464 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Every dog should have its teeth pulled out fuk payin more insurance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bird 10,004 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Every dog should have its teeth pulled out fuk payin more insurance or all have little lap type dogs that carnt damage you, pit type etc are not what you call the best type of pet do for kids, as were all ways locked up out of the way Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,302 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Who really gives a fec? I agree with chipping all dogs and licences but insurance? Bullocks to that I don't even medically insure my dogs robbing buggers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,534 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Surely if prevention is better than a cure the idiots need educating? So many people rush out and buy dogs without any previous experience of owning a dog. Tougher punishment on those with out of control dogs and people have to attend classes to train their dog and get experience handling a dog. Can you really see the average bad boy off the estate walking his spikey collared red nose pit bull into the local dog training classes ? what is this education folk speak of ? what does it involve ?............do you seriously think these idiots dont know what most normal folk are saying,of course they do thats part of the attraction its the notoriety that they thrive on what makes you think they are suddenly going to get all sensible ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Who really gives a fec? I agree with chipping all dogs and licences but insurance? Bullocks to that I don't even medically insure my dogs robbing buggers Yeh maybe a licence is better than insurance, but it still means shelling out for it ......& maybe pricing some out.....then so be it in my mind.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Surely if prevention is better than a cure the idiots need educating? So many people rush out and buy dogs without any previous experience of owning a dog. Tougher punishment on those with out of control dogs and people have to attend classes to train their dog and get experience handling a dog. Can you really see the average bad boy off the estate walking his spikey collared red nose pit bull into the local dog training classes ? what is this education folk speak of ? what does it involve ?............do you seriously think these idiots dont know what most normal folk are saying,of course they do thats part of the attraction its the notoriety that they thrive on what makes you think they are suddenly going to get all sensible ! & who chases up all the people who don't attend their classes??........at least with a quick scan, you can tell if someone is taking some kind of responsibility for their dog.......although a chip won't stop accidents... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mushroom 13,302 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 But will hold owners to account IMO 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,534 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 you're walking down the road with your Akita, pressa etc etc.....you get stopped, no chip, no insurance....you lose your dog, I you can't afford certain supposed dangerous breeds, you don't have them.....It wouldn't stop incidents, but it could help to reduce them. 100 % agree......lets give something for dog wardens to do instead of sitting at the side of the road eating sandwiches...........similar to the dvla have some central licensing body,make a licence/chip mandatory then if caught with a dog with no license/chip lose the dog and fined/banned as appropriate ! Something will have to be done to clean this mess up sooner or later i think a database on the same lines as cars sounds pretty good....wouldnt effect normal everyday dog owners so wheres the problem. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Monday night channel 5 9pm ........ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Phil Win 79 Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Monday night channel 5 9pm ........ Dangerous Dog Owners & Proud[sUB HD] Thousands of illegal dangerous dogs are seized every year by the police, with hundreds being destroyed, while wardens are trying to cope with a big increase in banned breeds that are used by some owners to intimidate others or enhance their own status. This documentary meets people whose dogs are either illegal, trained to be vicious, or both, including a man who can make his red-nosed pit bull behave aggressively with a simple command, while a Nuneaton woman has taught her Staffordshire bull terriers to protect her home from intrudersDocumentary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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