brad88 133 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Thanks johnny boy! I was watching the film the other night and that clip just reminded me of this thread lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ggib 370 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 fcuk them all they wouldnt stand a chance against rocky balboa, he even beat he big russian giants way back in the 80s. i think george foreman would have dominated in any era, he had power to sparebig George didn't dominate his own era apart from ali who beat him? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 fcuk them all they wouldnt stand a chance against rocky balboa, he even beat he big russian giants way back in the 80s. i think george foreman would have dominated in any era, he had power to sparebig George didn't dominate his own era apart from ali who beat him? First time round Jimmy Young....second time round Holyfield,Morrison and someone else i forget who now. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Joe calzaghi was great in his era he might of been good/lucky enough to pick up a belt in the golden era but he wouldn't of dominated at all imo Its such a silly comparison to try and make when you look at the record books Heres a list of the biggest names Calazaghe fought at THEIR prime Mikel Kessler Jeff Lacy Robin Reid Byron Mitchell Heres a list of the biggest names Robinson fought at THEIR prime Jake LaMotta ( x 6 times ) Carmen Basilio ( 4 times ) Bobo Olsen ( 4 times ) Gene Fulmer ( 2 times ) Kid Gavilan ( 2 times ) Joey Maxim Rocky Graziano Henry Armstrong Thats off the top of my head.......comparing Calzaghe to Robinson is like comparing Robin Reid to Jake LaMotta !!! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 He,s long dead now but an old fella a friend of my fathers Alfie Danahar fought on the Ray Robinson/Randy Turpin undercard at Earls Court he would keep us kids glued for hours with stories about Robinson......Alf used to sing a song before every fight he had Robinson told him he was a better singer than fighter Supposed to be just as immaculate outside the ring as inside Robinson,a real charmer by all accounts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marky b 309 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Joe calzaghi was great in his era he might of been good/lucky enough to pick up a belt in the golden era but he wouldn't of dominated at all imo Its such a silly comparison to try and make when you look at the record books Heres a list of the biggest names Calazaghe fought at THEIR prime Mikel Kessler Jeff Lacy Robin Reid Byron Mitchell Heres a list of the biggest names Robinson fought at THEIR prime Jake LaMotta ( x 6 times ) Carmen Basilio ( 4 times ) Bobo Olsen ( 4 times ) Gene Fulmer ( 2 times ) Kid Gavilan ( 2 times ) Joey Maxim Rocky Graziano Henry Armstrong Thats off the top of my head.......comparing Calzaghe to Robinson is like comparing Robin Reid to Jake LaMotta !!! I agree with you 100percent I wasn't comparing joe to Robinson the fella said jones and Hopkins were done that's what I was replying to I know you shouldn't compare but IMO Robinson would wipe the floor with calzaghi 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Joe was a class boxer and being a local lad I got nothing but admiration for him but to talk about him being up there with Robinson and that ilk is a tad silly, I thought Joe was great but out of his 49 fights only a handful stand out. As a boxing fan though I'd have loved for Joe to fight the likes of Jones jr in there "prime" win lose or draw I bet they'd been good memorable fights though. Clever good management and money can overtake the sport at times. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Joe was a class boxer and being a local lad I got nothing but admiration for him but to talk about him being up there with Robinson and that ilk is a tad silly, I thought Joe was great but out of his 49 fights only a handful stand out. As a boxing fan though I'd have loved for Joe to fight the likes of Jones jr in there "prime" win lose or draw I bet they'd been good memorable fights though. Clever good management and money can overtake the sport at times. My thoughts exactly couldnt agree more......although in Calzaghes case i think it was an unbeaten record he valued even more than money. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marky b 309 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Joe was a class boxer and being a local lad I got nothing but admiration for him but to talk about him being up there with Robinson and that ilk is a tad silly, I thought Joe was great but out of his 49 fights only a handful stand out. As a boxing fan though I'd have loved for Joe to fight the likes of Jones jr in there "prime" win lose or draw I bet they'd been good memorable fights though. Clever good management and money can overtake the sport at times. thats what I was trying to say in a round a bout way lol I didn't think it the time but Hopkins wasn't past it when he fought joe 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulf 820 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 one thing i found with calzaghie when he used to write a page for our local paper ..the south wales argus ... whenever anyone metioned fighting the top men out there jones ,hopkins ect when they were in there prime .joe would always go on about money which imo made him look a tit lol i know your a long time retired but in the old days it was about titles and beating the best not money ..would he beat jones ,hopkins in there prime ? never in a million years ..went to a few of his early fights and tbh i was bored to death also seen him as an amature which he was something else .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Joe was a class boxer and being a local lad I got nothing but admiration for him but to talk about him being up there with Robinson and that ilk is a tad silly, I thought Joe was great but out of his 49 fights only a handful stand out. As a boxing fan though I'd have loved for Joe to fight the likes of Jones jr in there "prime" win lose or draw I bet they'd been good memorable fights though. Clever good management and money can overtake the sport at times. My thoughts exactly couldnt agree more......although in Calzaghes case i think it was an unbeaten record he valued even more than money. Wasn't money an issue when they tried to get Joe and Jones jr together earlier?........but that could've been a case of good management aswell. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 I think people put the older fighters on a pedestal,I don't see anyone between middle and light heavy beat beating Jones jr. We can say yes they lived in different times,didn't have the training or nutrition of modern times and fought more regularly,but the fact remains they were slower,smaller and weaker (in general). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 I think people put the older fighters on a pedestal,I don't see anyone between middle and light heavy beat beating Jones jr. We can say yes they lived in different times,didn't have the training or nutrition of modern times and fought more regularly,but the fact remains they were slower,smaller and weaker (in general). They were slower smaller and weaker for that very reason.....can you imagine the Robinson/LaMotta series of fights with todays advances in training/nutrition ? They were unbelievable fights and they were men off the streets in physical comparison....................its like comparing Roger Bannister to Seb Coe......was Coe a FASTER runner of course he was......was he a BETTER runner not necessarily. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,025 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 (edited) Joe was a class boxer and being a local lad I got nothing but admiration for him but to talk about him being up there with Robinson and that ilk is a tad silly, I thought Joe was great but out of his 49 fights only a handful stand out. As a boxing fan though I'd have loved for Joe to fight the likes of Jones jr in there "prime" win lose or draw I bet they'd been good memorable fights though. Clever good management and money can overtake the sport at times. My thoughts exactly couldnt agree more......although in Calzaghes case i think it was an unbeaten record he valued even more than money. Wasn't money an issue when they tried to get Joe and Jones jr together earlier?........but that could've been a case of good management aswell. Ive been told a million and one reasons why Calzaghe and Jones didnt fight im not sure i believe any of it to be honest.........when 2 big name fighters want a fight it usually gets made one way or another......look at the names on Jones record and compare to Calzaghes it tells its own story for me. Edited July 19, 2014 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted July 19, 2014 Report Share Posted July 19, 2014 Joe was a class boxer and being a local lad I got nothing but admiration for him but to talk about him being up there with Robinson and that ilk is a tad silly, I thought Joe was great but out of his 49 fights only a handful stand out. As a boxing fan though I'd have loved for Joe to fight the likes of Jones jr in there "prime" win lose or draw I bet they'd been good memorable fights though. Clever good management and money can overtake the sport at times. My thoughts exactly couldnt agree more......although in Calzaghes case i think it was an unbeaten record he valued even more than money. Wasn't money an issue when they tried to get Joe and Jones jr together earlier?........but that could've been a case of good management aswell. Ive been told a million and one reasons why Calzaghe and Jones didnt fight im not sure i believe any of it to be honest.........when 2 big name fighters want a fight it usually gets made one way or another......look at the names on Jones record and compare to Calzaghes it tells its own story for me. Whatever the reasons its another era that went past and we think "what if".......in 10 years it'll be the Pacquio-Mayweather argument I expect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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