gnasher16 30,326 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 (edited) While i wouldnt disagree with you Zigzag dan,the whole referee/diving/cheating thing is something new to English football......in your/my day following footie through the ,s it was nowhere near on the level it is today......i blame foreigners in our game 100%........ive always thought we are a passionate nation about football but having just come back from Brazil ive realised the passion they have for the game is on a completely different level to ours......i spent a few days with a lovely family in the favelas around Rio these people eat sleep and breathe football,any slight advantage they can get be it cheating/diving/bullying referees they will take...players in these poorer countries will do absolutely anything it takes to get themself and their families out of the desperate conditions they are living in and thats human nature we cant blame them for that........and in turn it creeps into the game in any nation they play the game in. Im not sure rugby as a sport has that same desperate mentality,certainly not in England where its essentially the posh kids sport and football is for the scruffs.......rugby will attract a higher class of human being in England so naturally that respect is going to be there from the start.......you have come off the terraces mate same as me so you know yourself rugby could never generate that same rivalry between areas and estates etc like football does,i dont doubt the passion rugby players have is any different to footballers but as fans its like chalk and cheese....or again,maybe rugby fans are just a higher class of human being thats all. Edited July 12, 2014 by gnasher16 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 While i wouldnt disagree with you Zigzag dan,the whole referee/diving/cheating thing is something new to English football......in your/my day following footie through the ,s it was nowhere near on the level it is today......i blame foreigners in our game 100%........ive always thought we are a passionate nation about football but having just come back from Brazil ive realised the passion they have for the game is on a completely different level to ours......i spent a few days with a lovely family in the favelas around Rio these people eat sleep and breathe football,any slight advantage they can get be it cheating/diving/bullying referees they will take...players in these poorer countries will do absolutely anything it takes to get themself and their families out of the desperate conditions they are living in and thats human nature we cant blame them for that........and in turn it creeps into the game in any nation they play the game in. Im not sure rugby as a sport has that same desperate mentality,certainly not in England where its essentially the posh kids sport and football is for the scruffs.......rugby will attract a higher class of human being in England so naturally that respect is going to be there from the start.......you have come off the terraces mate same as me so you know yourself rugby could never generate that same rivalry between areas and estates etc like football does,i dont doubt the passion rugby players have is any different to footballers but as fans its like chalk and cheese....or again,maybe rugby fans are just a higher class of human being thats all. Maybe in England but in my area theres a team in every village and most of the villages are a mile apart. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zigzag dan 784 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Agree with all you say Gnash , although , unfortunately the bullying the ref thing was " home bred" by Fergie I think , a man who showed no respect for authority and encouraged his players to do the same ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,326 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 While i wouldnt disagree with you Zigzag dan,the whole referee/diving/cheating thing is something new to English football......in your/my day following footie through the ,s it was nowhere near on the level it is today......i blame foreigners in our game 100%........ive always thought we are a passionate nation about football but having just come back from Brazil ive realised the passion they have for the game is on a completely different level to ours......i spent a few days with a lovely family in the favelas around Rio these people eat sleep and breathe football,any slight advantage they can get be it cheating/diving/bullying referees they will take...players in these poorer countries will do absolutely anything it takes to get themself and their families out of the desperate conditions they are living in and thats human nature we cant blame them for that........and in turn it creeps into the game in any nation they play the game in. Im not sure rugby as a sport has that same desperate mentality,certainly not in England where its essentially the posh kids sport and football is for the scruffs.......rugby will attract a higher class of human being in England so naturally that respect is going to be there from the start.......you have come off the terraces mate same as me so you know yourself rugby could never generate that same rivalry between areas and estates etc like football does,i dont doubt the passion rugby players have is any different to footballers but as fans its like chalk and cheese....or again,maybe rugby fans are just a higher class of human being thats all. Maybe in England but in my area theres a team in every village and most of the villages are a mile apart. I still find it hard to believe it carries the same intensity and history that football rivalries do.........certainly on a worldwide scale........maybe im wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gnasher16 30,326 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Agree with all you say Gnash , although , unfortunately the bullying the ref thing was " home bred" by Fergie I think , a man who showed no respect for authority and encouraged his players to do the same ! I think we could all be guilty of pushing the boundaries within any competetive sport when theres so much on the line i dont see the big deal with that i think its the outright cheating/diving that really grates on most fans......maybe im naive but i still like to think no manager would promote diving/cheating in their players. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
johnny boy68 11,726 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 While i wouldnt disagree with you Zigzag dan,the whole referee/diving/cheating thing is something new to English football......in your/my day following footie through the ,s it was nowhere near on the level it is today......i blame foreigners in our game 100%........ive always thought we are a passionate nation about football but having just come back from Brazil ive realised the passion they have for the game is on a completely different level to ours......i spent a few days with a lovely family in the favelas around Rio these people eat sleep and breathe football,any slight advantage they can get be it cheating/diving/bullying referees they will take...players in these poorer countries will do absolutely anything it takes to get themself and their families out of the desperate conditions they are living in and thats human nature we cant blame them for that........and in turn it creeps into the game in any nation they play the game in. Im not sure rugby as a sport has that same desperate mentality,certainly not in England where its essentially the posh kids sport and football is for the scruffs.......rugby will attract a higher class of human being in England so naturally that respect is going to be there from the start.......you have come off the terraces mate same as me so you know yourself rugby could never generate that same rivalry between areas and estates etc like football does,i dont doubt the passion rugby players have is any different to footballers but as fans its like chalk and cheese....or again,maybe rugby fans are just a higher class of human being thats all. Maybe in England but in my area theres a team in every village and most of the villages are a mile apart. I still find it hard to believe it carries the same intensity and history that football rivalries do.........certainly on a worldwide scale........maybe im wrong. Maybe not to the extent of football gnash but some of the local derbys down here can get very emotional, same values apply though bragging rights etc. The grass roots rugby is on a different level to the regional stuff down here, its really tribal tbh. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zigzag dan 784 Posted July 12, 2014 Report Share Posted July 12, 2014 Yes I agree , and theres plenty of top class rugby players ( usually All Blacks ! ) who bend the rules , in rugby a lot goes unseen , in football its so obvious its annoying , I do think managers will let a player cheat if he can get away it , Ive spent the last 12 years encouraging my son to " play his rugby on the edge " but I like to call it gamesmanship ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
just jack 998 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 well ive never played rugby but football i did and i don't really know the rules of rugby but i watch it the odd time, i tried my lad at football the other year,he is 10 by the way and its just not him, he likes his rugby though so fair play Quote Link to post Share on other sites
just jack 998 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 well ive never played rugby but football i did and i don't really know the rules of rugby but i watch it the odd time, i tried my lad at football the other year,he is 10 by the way and its just not him, he likes his rugby though so fai 8 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
s.e.s.k.u 1,893 Posted July 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Lad looks proud in his kit just jack. .what team is it? Atb sesku 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
zigzag dan 784 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Nice one Jack ,keep him at it , it will mould him for life . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oneredtrim 148 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 The diving in football is very much the seen, i hear lots of people giving opinion on some coming togethers and doubt whether they've actually played the game. You can take a speeding player off his feet with the ends of your fingers if you're so versed, same way you could walk around a rugby pitch and and snap every players ankle without needing two strikes, fact is rugby players dont get tackled around the ankle and padd-up where they do get tackled. Calling the ref Sir is also very much the seen, a game in Liegh/wigan very recently started with plenty of Sir's and ended with every player going at it and punters sheilding thier children rushing to exit the gaff. The unseen..well that's always a different barra.. http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2010/sep/13/bloodgate-harlequins-steph-brennan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robadoo 212 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Off to watch wigan warriors v hull this Friday , never been before , but my mate got me a ticket , I'm right looking forward to it ! 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jambay5 191 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 best game have played and watched for year!! been a big turn round in the team i follow this year, near top of SL and 80min from the cup final, i play touch rugby now not as tough but keeps me fit.take it your a cas fan then jambay?.. yeah they've done well since Powell joined from fev yes mate for my sin's!! we call him sir powell round here lol, have had a stint in union as well as lived in selby as a kid so had to!! but league is the better of the two a very simple hard game to play! union very technical and a lot of rules!! but on the real plus side with league its played in summer now, leaving winter sundays for ferreting. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
s.e.s.k.u 1,893 Posted July 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Couple lads at work already booked minibus for cup final lol.. should be a good game Thursday v rhinos..jambay Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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