Hancocks lurchers

[Simoman 110]

A Hancock thread, I remember a film like this....same thing happens over and over.......and over again........

[Guest SJM]

Is that one of them Northumberland funny bunnies?

[Simoman 110]

Is that one of them Northumberland funny bunnies?

 

 

Thats the one Sarah

[Guest Frank]

A Hancock thread, I remember a film like this....same thing happens over and over.......and over again........

 

GROUNDHOG DAY.

[Guest bitsa lurcher]

Hi guys. Can anybody on here give me some feedback on the hunting ability of a hancock bred lurcher,good or bad? I'll be looking for a new pup shortly for the rabbits and need to whittle down my list of possibilities.

Also,did anybody ever try em on blue hare? Were they any good. Cheers .

 

you will get a lot of feed back from asking anything about HANCOCK's lurchers , most of which will be negative , i'll give it you as i have expierienced it from training/owning a hancocks , i own a blue merle ,first cross bitch , she is 11 months old now and i have been training her since last january , i also own a bull x bitch that i bred myself last year , both of these bitches have had the exact amount of time put into each other , no preverences at all , .....the 2 of them have been allowed to self enter on rabbit only {because i stay within the law} and the main difference that i can see in them is that there is a lot of prey drive in the bull x where as the hancocks is more like a robot , in other words it does what you point it at .....for want of better words mate , if you want a blank canvass that will do exactly what you want and that's it then buy a hancocks , if you want to make the training proccess easier then go and buy a pup from working stock , and if you can make sure you see the parents or a pup from a previous mating working

[Guest world.hunters]

bitsa lurcher surly the breeding has taken a huge part in what you have mentioned.

 

i myself have a hancock dog he is 9month and i cannot fault him in the slightest. he has matured quickly and is showing alot promis of becomeing a good allrounder, he is a 3/4 bred and should make 26"tts

at the end of the day its what you put in to your dog the time and the feed etc that determine the outcome.

 

heres a couple snaps of my dog

 

 

 

 

all the best with what you decide mate

 

w.h

[Ray Mears 272]

[snoopdog 1,256]

i would never and i mean never get myself a hancock ...why would anybody ...i shall tell you why ...most people who have got a hancock got one because they didnt know any better and it was proberly there first lurcher or it was in the day when he did breed from workers ......10 - 15 years ago he bred some half decent dogs ive seen one off them myself it it was a good bunny dog and took the odd hare and was an intelligant dog ....but he dosent breed from workers anymore he breeds for colours and looks and is carrying on useing his name from when he had some decent dogs ////we all know merls sell like hot cakes to the untrained eye and people who are looking at getting into this wonderful game they will look and sound the bussness .....for the people who have got hanncocks now and you are happy with them ..then thats all well and good ...but dont try to talk youngsters and newcomers to the sport into getting one ...the fuckers a puppy peddler and in it for the money not to improve there working rate ......if you hanncock owners knew what you know now i really dont think you would have bought one ...come on be honest with your self .,.. ..theres plenty of good litters out there all you have to do is take your time ask plenty off questions or get sombody in the no how to help you .....this is the reason ive answered this post theres enough shit about and the dog homes are full ....worker to worker gives you a better chance off owning a half decent dog .......its that simlple ...all the best snoop

Edited October 14, 2007 by snoopdog

[Guest SJM]

[Ray Mears 272]

i would never and i mean never get myself a hancock ...why would anybody ...i shall tell you why ...most people who have got a hancock got one because they didnt know any better and it was proberly there first lurcher or it was in the day when he did breed from workers ......10 - 15 years ago he bred some half decent dogs ive seen one off them myself it it was a good bunny dog and took the odd hare and was an intelligant dog ....but he dosent breed from workers anymore he breeds for colours and looks and is carrying on useing his name from when he had some decent dogs ////we all know merls sell like hot cakes to the untrained eye and people who are looking at getting into this wonderful game they will look and sound the bussness .....for the people who have got hanncocks now and you are happy with them ..then thats all well and good ...but dont try to talk youngsters and newcomers to the sport into getting one ...the fuckers a puppy peddler and in it for the money not to improve there working rate ......if you hanncock owners knew what you know now i really dont think you would have bought one ...come on be honest with your self .,.. ..theres plenty of good litters out there all you have to do is take your time ask plenty off questions or get sombody in the no how to help you .....this is the reason ive answered this post theres enough shit about and the dog homes are full ....worker to worker gives you a better chance off owning a half decent dog .......its that simlple ...all the best snoop

 

 

 

AMEN

[snoopdog 1,256]

you seem to put things better than i do chalky ...and world hunters dog is a good looking creature like you say and i hope he is one off the lucky ones and has got somthing decent ...i really do .. the reason iam posting on this thread is like i say ..theres a better chance off getting a decent dog out off worker to worker .if a young lad or lassy get there first dog and it dosent work out for them the dog going to end up on the streets or in a rescue and they will proberly chuck the sport in aswell ....thats why i think its important for a youngtser or newcomer to have the best chance they can to own a decent dog ....to keep them keen and the dogs out off rescue centers ....thats why i will advise them to the best off my knowledge even if it meens uppsetting some folks who own this type off breeding ....all the best snoop

[minion 29]

This is always an intresting thread the old Hancock debate.

 

I had a Hancock dog and was happy with her. Not a world beater but i had some great sport with her and thats what matters to me.

 

Every one is entitled to their own opinion and I have mine. I understand the thinking behind breading worker to worker and I dont agree with puppy farming.

 

However, I asked a similar question before and recieved no replys. - Can someone give me a scientific reason why breeding worker to worker has more chance of producing workers than by breeding a couple of pet lurchers, or pet to worker?

 

If you had a pet saluki grey and put it to a retired grey you would get 3/4 breds. What benifit would the sires workiing ability make? lets say that its litter brother was a working sal grey, both dogs bread from the same litter but one went to a working home and one when to a pet home.

 

How would they be differant?

 

What scientific benifit is there you using the worker?

 

 

I dont agree with Hancocks but take away the puppy farming part. People dont like that. I dont like that but that isn't the issue - the issue is working ability.

 

To many people type with out knowing what they are talking about. It easy to agree with everyone and jump on the band wagon but how many people really know. The guys who have had them know best. Again, it may be them, perhaps they cant train a dog? how many other dogs have these guys "failed" with? You hear about the Hancock dogs though because everyone knows him becase of what he does.

 

Yes some fail and some are great but i really don't see how not having working parents can stop a dog from being a good worker.

 

Not wanting to argue here. Just want sensible reasons and FACT.

[snoopdog 1,256]

some folk can say what they want i just speak whats on my mind .... i do tend to wind a few folk up though ....another member once said ..its better being disliked for telling the truth ..than to be liked for telling a lie ....but i sleep well .....all the best snoop

[Neal 1,891]

My first bitch was Hancock bred, out of Remus, and I also once met a fantastic 3/4 greyhound 1/4 collie sired by Taffy out of his dam, Sally. But, as someone said above, that was a good few years ago when the dogs were completely different. Then again, to be fair, I can't comment on his present stock as I know nothing about them. Ouch! My arse is sore from sitting on this fence!

[Guest SJM]

Its very simple Minion

 

The great pedigree breeds we have today are the way they are because of hundreds, sometimes thousands of years of selective breeding. Pitbulls are courageous and tenacious, because they have been selectively bred to be that way through many generations of fighting dogs being bred best to best. Salukis have amazing stamina because they have been bred from the best to the best, with stamina being a top priority. Greyhounds are the fastest dog because they are bred fastest to fastest. Collies are good herders because the best herding dogs are bred to the best herding dogs and so on. Yes you will get a certain percentage of wastage in any breed and in any litter, but if you consistently breed for the good working qualities you want in a dog, and dont waver off that path and say oh well it doesnt matter if the parents work or not and you keep a clear head, free from kennel blindness, and cull hard and harsh, you will achieve your goal in the end. It takes longer with lurchers as their genetic makeup is far more diverse than purebred dogs, but it is possible, there are lads out there who breed best to best and keep the best, and then breed the next generation aiming for them to be as good or better than the parents. Anyone who thinks you can strike gold in a river of shit is either an extreme optimist or very deluded