Staffie In Lurcher?

[jack lee 137]

Jack lee give us irishmen your knowledge of where the "Irish staff" originated and who it was started this phantom breed? I'd like to know for my own piece of mind. Jimmys shop, are you about there anywhere? Topic here you might like to have a comment

read my post again before you start shouting your mouth off young man,and im not the one with his neck stuck out,just no a bit more than you obvisiously and no im not kennel club thats for sure but you keep throwing your insults and let game dogs been bred by men who no what there at young man

[neil cooney 10,416]

Of course there's Irish lines of game bred staffs and there has been for a long time. But the name "Irish Staff" IMO was coined by the peddlers to UP the price of pups.

It was mainly the gullible brits who came over with their cash to bring home an Irish Staff and a piece of paper to show off. And they with good lines already but then the grass is always greener on the other side.

 

Regarding the staff cross lurcher ?

I had one that was born in 1991 out of a well tested, well bred staff and a working greyhound bitch.

The line of the staff was the same line of staff that was in the famous 3/4 pit bull 1/4 staff "Jenny" AKA The Black and Tan that was around in the mid 90s. If anyone remembers Jenny they'll know the quality I'm talking about.

The greyhound bitch was used ferreting, lamping, foxing and coursing and had been reared from a pup like a lurcher.

The pup I took ended up 23 inches high and 56 lbs fit.

She was incredibly soft mouthed and could kill a fox on the lamp and 5 minutes later put an unmarked rabbit in my hand.

She'd sit, stay, retrieve and I also regularly shot over her. She was a good ferreting bitch too and was very good to work alongside terriers. Out ferreting I could leave the catch beside a burrow and send her back one at a time to fetch them to save me carrying them, LOL.

I still have video of her taking 30 rabbits one night and she once took 14 rabbits from 14 runs in 40 minutes and she was never in a slip in her life.

I'd have one like her any day.

Edited July 10, 2014 by neil cooney

[saucydotters 95]

 

jesus christ i cant believe what im reading here,no such thing as irish staffs, ,is there any real dog men left i wonder over there i suppose theres no irish bred dogs in patterdales either the wheaten must be from leeds then,the kerryblue from preston,the glen of imal from the scottish borders, lads wake up and smell the coffee,we still can turn out a few dogs,and i think the pit bull was first in the uk before it was in ireland,ed reid comes to mind,we were breeding staffs long before the pit hit our shores,

Are you for real? A staff is a staff end of. Just like any line of dog that someone chooses to follow. Long legged, short legged, barrel chested, slim chested. What are you? Some kinda kennel club arsehole? A staff is a staff. So if there is different breeds of staff then there's different breeds of black dogs, different breeds of black n tans etc etc! Wind yer neck in.

wind yer neck in lol Edited July 11, 2014 by saucydotters

[turkish 291]

[bird 10,013]

turn it up right , carnt read giving feckin neck ache you need to edit pic ,not sure we can do it this end .?

[C556 351]

From what I know of an Irish staff they're staffords that can trace their pedigrees back to the working lines in Ireland in the 70's. The good dogs that have been bred off them will have been bred for their working qualities rather than for money. The Irish got rid of them when pitbulls arrived.

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

It only takes putting the word 'Irish' in front of the word 'Staffordshirebull' to turn a thread into a rare old donnybrook at 2.30am...back when i used to come on the forum regular lads would always be saying stuff like..."i come from Ireland and my uncles had Staffs 60 year and we aint heard of no Irish Stafford or we aint heard of no Dublin red strain"...then their fellow country man RickyB publishes a book with Darcy full of pictures and write ups of those very dogs...gave us all a good chuckle...maybe some Irish mothers brothers didnt know as much as they thought...then theres the storys about cattle trucks full of papered Irish rescue shelter dogs being sold for thousands to gullible English dogmen....im sure there are foolish English paperdogmen...probably just as many Irish ones too truth be told...but just about all of the dogs i have seen out of the previously mentioned lines...where all out of Staffords Proven and who made their names this side of the Irish sea...so just who where these gullible Englishmen?...makes a good 'Story' thou eh?...in the age of the internet seems to be a bit of a passtime for some to rock up on these forum and myth bust and bubble burst...i doubt theres any breed of dog had so much crap talked about it as the little old Staffordshirebull terrier...English AND Irish...all the best lads

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

@ AKA-BRINDLE....

 

I have no schooling in such matters,...so the subject of genuine Staffs (good, bad or indifferent) is best left to those that know. However,.returning to the original poster's query....

 

Yes,..in the absence of the availability of other bull bloods,...the Staffie has obviously been used.

 

Indeed,..in my initial introduction into the world of the racing whippet ,.( I must admit,..I did not last long in that competitive game),...we frequently saw the influence of Staffie blood. Often in a litter, there would be a proportion of whelps that had thrown back to the bull terrier. Most lads kept well away, knowing full well that the muscular structure and weight factor of such pups, might be detrimental to their future plans.

For my sins, I was always attracted to such powerhouse types and I generally picked the wrong pup

Well,.wrong for the yds per pound game, but just right for my own passion, of roustabout lurcher work..

 

Nowadays, the Non-Ped racing whippet has been refined, and in many ways, for what it has been created, the animal is nie-on,.... canine perfection...

 

I like Staffie influenced lurchers,...I like their boundless enthusiasm, their determined attitude and their full of fun ways...

 

My only problem with them ,.living here in Hampshire, with its proliferation of flint strewn fields,.. was their feet....but other than that,...good hearted jukels, up for a laugh and usually,... more than capable....

Edited July 11, 2014 by Phil Lloyd

[trenchfoot 4,243]

@ AKA-BRINDLE....

 

I have no schooling in such matters,...so the subject of genuine Staffs (good, bad or indifferent) is best left to those that know. However,.returning to the original poster's query....

 

Yes,..in the absence of the availability of other bull bloods,...the Staffie has obviously been used.

 

Indeed,..in my initial introduction into the world of the racing whippet ,.( I must admit,..I did not last long in that competitive game),...we frequently saw the influence of Staffie blood. Often in a litter, there would be a proportion of whelps that had thrown back to the bull terrier. Most lads kept well away, knowing full well that the muscular structure and weight factor of such pups, might be detrimental to their future plans.

For my sins, I was always attracted to such powerhouse types and I generally picked the wrong pup

Well,.wrong for the yds per pound game, but just right for my own passion, of roustabout lurcher work..

 

Nowadays, the Non-Ped racing whippet has been refined, and in many ways, for what it has been created for, the animal is nie-on, canine perfection...

 

I like Staffie lurchers,...I like their boundless enthusiasm, their determined attitude and their full of fun ways...

 

My only problem with them,.living here in Hampshire, with its proliferation of flint strewn fields,.. was their feet....but other than that,...good hearted jukels, up for a laugh and usually,... more than capable....

What no photo's Phil?!!!!

[hollands hope 1,024]

 

I know its a bit hard to read, but if you Right click on the image and select open in new tab, with some effort you can read it.

[bird 10,013]

 

 

I know its a bit hard to read, but if you Right click on the image and select open in new tab, with some effort you can read it.

 

thanks just read it,nothing I didn't already know about staffs and apbt's ,make a change from Richard Stratton's books lol

[neil cooney 10,416]

It only takes putting the word 'Irish' in front of the word 'Staffordshirebull' to turn a thread into a rare old donnybrook at 2.30am...back when i used to come on the forum regular lads would always be saying stuff like..."i come from Ireland and my uncles had Staffs 60 year and we aint heard of no Irish Stafford or we aint heard of no Dublin red strain"...then their fellow country man RickyB publishes a book with Darcy full of pictures and write ups of those very dogs...gave us all a good chuckle...maybe some Irish mothers brothers didnt know as much as they thought...then theres the storys about cattle trucks full of papered Irish rescue shelter dogs being sold for thousands to gullible English dogmen....im sure there are foolish English paperdogmen...probably just as many Irish ones too truth be told...but just about all of the dogs i have seen out of the previously mentioned lines...where all out of Staffords Proven and who made their names this side of the Irish sea...so just who where these gullible Englishmen?...makes a good 'Story' thou eh?...in the age of the internet seems to be a bit of a passtime for some to rock up on these forum and myth bust and bubble burst...i doubt theres any breed of dog had so much crap talked about it as the little old Staffordshirebull terrier...English AND Irish...all the best lads

While I agree with most of what you say Brindle that book is not the reason behind the name and the popularity of the so called Irish Staff. The term Irish Staff was being used possibly ten or so years before that book, mostly by English men.