Staffie In Lurcher?

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

ive said many times on here regards staffx greys , I ive seen a cracker (tug) 26in dog ,kill foxes easy and would catch rabbits as well . the line of staffs were from the black country, some up to 19in 45lb and racey type staffs . we had similar size staffs more like pits today when I was kid , there still around but don't see them , compare to the show bred stuff . I still think apbt is the best of all the bull terriers , but there few good staffs about, if you shop about you can find them, but easier to get a pit so people go there 1st

 

I have had a few Staffords over the years that where racy types as you discribe...capable of running certain quarry on the lamp with some success...did fancy the idea of putting an old dog of mine over a whippet for a handy little first X...but you got to be honest with yourself...a lot of the lines of Staffords (and im not just talking the show stuff) are riddled with knee and hip problems...many Stafford owners dont like to admit this...many may get away with it or put it down to old age...but i could see them problems showing themselves early on in a running dog...i love the old Staff's...and many still have that working drive...but have to admit...apbt would most likley make a better cross...as for the term "Irish Staff" (which i have come to hate) yes some breeders used it to cover pitbull types...but to many Stafford fanciers it simply relates to certain blood lines that started in Ireland...that quickly became a marketing tool for peddlers.

[Cleanspade 3,324]

i had a staffy cross in the eighties. i loved that dog. but he was an absolute nightmare. if it moved he wanted to kill it. dogs /cats/ anything that he could wrap his jaw around. he was also very protective and tended to over guard. . ended up i had to collect my mail at the post office and put a metal box behind the door for my mail. the most loyal dog ive ever seen . irish staff. is just a name that decsribes scatter bred bull breeds. english bulls where common crosses with staffies. as was other irish game dogs. same as the name jack russell covers many terrier types. and crosses. the last bull outcross in the plummer was this way bred. or so i am led to believe

[jwhizz420 177]

Just been chating to dude who breeds Irish staff, there are staffs but line bred for working ability not looks, original badger dog

[jwhizz420 177]

So it's not a Irish staff, it's how the Irish breed the staffs

[jwhizz420 177]

Just been chating to dude who breeds Irish staff, there are staffs but line bred for working ability not looks, original badger dog, Dublin red, psychos , o'flynn lines

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

Just been chating to dude who breeds Irish staff, there are staffs but line bred for working ability not looks, original badger dog, Dublin red, psychos , o'flynn lines

 

Over the years ive owned dogs out of...amongst others...Psycho/Beanie...Red strain/Flynn... and even a splash of that hated Stormer blood...many would call these lines 'Irish' as those lines was founded over there...i never used the term Irish in relation to the dogs i had...much of the mentioned blood has been diluted by peddlers...but some still produces good examples of working Staffords to this day...(in my opinion)

Edited July 5, 2014 by AKA-BRINDLE

[bird 10,013]

 

ive said many times on here regards staffx greys , I ive seen a cracker (tug) 26in dog ,kill foxes easy and would catch rabbits as well . the line of staffs were from the black country, some up to 19in 45lb and racey type staffs . we had similar size staffs more like pits today when I was kid , there still around but don't see them , compare to the show bred stuff . I still think apbt is the best of all the bull terriers , but there few good staffs about, if you shop about you can find them, but easier to get a pit so people go there 1st

 

I have had a few Staffords over the years that where racy types as you discribe...capable of running certain quarry on the lamp with some success...did fancy the idea of putting an old dog of mine over a whippet for a handy little first X...but you got to be honest with yourself...a lot of the lines of Staffords (and im not just talking the show stuff) are riddled with knee and hip problems...many Stafford owners dont like to admit this...many may get away with it or put it down to old age...but i could see them problems showing themselves early on in a running dog...i love the old Staff's...and many still have that working drive...but have to admit...apbt would most likley make a better cross...as for the term "Irish Staff" (which i have come to hate) yes some breeders used it to cover pitbull types...but to many Stafford fanciers it simply relates to certain blood lines that started in Ireland...that quickly became a marketing tool for peddlers.

 

true with health probs in the breed, but you get few in pits as well , some pits were getting HD .And that shocked me as I though it was more in bigger breeds like, rotties,gsds,labs,, but you right you get more of a healthy dog in a well bred apbt than staff , its getting a well bred one of either breed today the prob pits were getting to big, and staffs were+ are bred just for the show ring.

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

 

 

ive said many times on here regards staffx greys , I ive seen a cracker (tug) 26in dog ,kill foxes easy and would catch rabbits as well . the line of staffs were from the black country, some up to 19in 45lb and racey type staffs . we had similar size staffs more like pits today when I was kid , there still around but don't see them , compare to the show bred stuff . I still think apbt is the best of all the bull terriers , but there few good staffs about, if you shop about you can find them, but easier to get a pit so people go there 1st

 

I have had a few Staffords over the years that where racy types as you discribe...capable of running certain quarry on the lamp with some success...did fancy the idea of putting an old dog of mine over a whippet for a handy little first X...but you got to be honest with yourself...a lot of the lines of Staffords (and im not just talking the show stuff) are riddled with knee and hip problems...many Stafford owners dont like to admit this...many may get away with it or put it down to old age...but i could see them problems showing themselves early on in a running dog...i love the old Staff's...and many still have that working drive...but have to admit...apbt would most likley make a better cross...as for the term "Irish Staff" (which i have come to hate) yes some breeders used it to cover pitbull types...but to many Stafford fanciers it simply relates to certain blood lines that started in Ireland...that quickly became a marketing tool for peddlers.

 

true with health probs in the breed, but you get few in pits as well , some pits were getting HD .And that shocked me as I though it was more in bigger breeds like, rotties,gsds,labs,, but you right you get more of a healthy dog in a well bred apbt than staff , its getting a well bred one of either breed today the prob

 

 

Your right there Bird...but the fact is pretty much all Stafford blood goes back to KC show blood...even the working lines...and there lurks the real differance between Staffbull and Pitbull .

[bird 10,013]

 

 

 

ive said many times on here regards staffx greys , I ive seen a cracker (tug) 26in dog ,kill foxes easy and would catch rabbits as well . the line of staffs were from the black country, some up to 19in 45lb and racey type staffs . we had similar size staffs more like pits today when I was kid , there still around but don't see them , compare to the show bred stuff . I still think apbt is the best of all the bull terriers , but there few good staffs about, if you shop about you can find them, but easier to get a pit so people go there 1st

 

I have had a few Staffords over the years that where racy types as you discribe...capable of running certain quarry on the lamp with some success...did fancy the idea of putting an old dog of mine over a whippet for a handy little first X...but you got to be honest with yourself...a lot of the lines of Staffords (and im not just talking the show stuff) are riddled with knee and hip problems...many Stafford owners dont like to admit this...many may get away with it or put it down to old age...but i could see them problems showing themselves early on in a running dog...i love the old Staff's...and many still have that working drive...but have to admit...apbt would most likley make a better cross...as for the term "Irish Staff" (which i have come to hate) yes some breeders used it to cover pitbull types...but to many Stafford fanciers it simply relates to certain blood lines that started in Ireland...that quickly became a marketing tool for peddlers.

 

true with health probs in the breed, but you get few in pits as well , some pits were getting HD .And that shocked me as I though it was more in bigger breeds like, rotties,gsds,labs,, but you right you get more of a healthy dog in a well bred apbt than staff , its getting a well bred one of either breed today the prob

 

 

Your right there Bird...but the fact is pretty much all Stafford blood goes back to KC show blood...even the working lines...and there lurks the real differance between Staffbull and Pitbull .

 

true and there nothing to touch a game bred bulldog apbt

[AKA-BRINDLE 879]

I compare the Stafford to the Pitbull much the same as i look at my old Landrover...i know theres better 4X4s out there...but my trusty old Defender can still do a job for me

[Hepher 86]

No such animal as an "Irish Staffordshire Bull terrier" the clue is in the name, "Staffordshire". Irish staffs are used by shepherds to help them walk up steep hills.

[jack lee 137]

jesus christ i cant believe what im reading here,no such thing as irish staffs, ,is there any real dog men left i wonder over there i suppose theres no irish bred dogs in patterdales either the wheaten must be from leeds then,the kerryblue from preston,the glen of imal from the scottish borders, lads wake up and smell the coffee,we still can turn out a few dogs,and i think the pit bull was first in the uk before it was in ireland,ed reid comes to mind,we were breeding staffs long before the pit hit our shores,

[Hepher 86]

jesus christ i cant believe what im reading here,no such thing as irish staffs, ,is there any real dog men left i wonder over there i suppose theres no irish bred dogs in patterdales either the wheaten must be from leeds then,the kerryblue from preston,the glen of imal from the scottish borders, lads wake up and smell the coffee,we still can turn out a few dogs,and i think the pit bull was first in the uk before it was in ireland,ed reid comes to mind,we were breeding staffs long before the pit hit our shores,

Are you for real? A staff is a staff end of. Just like any line of dog that someone chooses to follow. Long legged, short legged, barrel chested, slim chested. What are you? Some kinda kennel club arsehole? A staff is a staff. So if there is different breeds of staff then there's different breeds of black dogs, different breeds of black n tans etc etc! Wind yer neck in.

[Hepher 86]

Jack lee I suspect you are full of bullshit from people that are full of bullshit. I'm in ireland and I suspect you're not!

[Hepher 86]

Jack lee give us irishmen your knowledge of where the "Irish staff" originated and who it was started this phantom breed? I'd like to know for my own piece of mind. Jimmys shop, are you about there anywhere? Topic here you might like to have a comment on?