tsteve9999 456 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Wow, I certainly seem to have hit a raw nerve there. Sorry if the KKK thing upset you, it was meant tongue in cheek, though how you can take one sentence as an insult then fling dozens the way of anyone who disagrees with you is a bit perplexing. Anyhow, to get back to my theoretical Greek couple. the reason they would inter marry is because their children would grow up, become adults and then wish to start a family of their own, not particularly difficult to imagine is it? The resulting offspring would do the same as would the next generation and so forth. My question to you is when would these people become "English" as you put it. The people who disagree with you as I do seem to think it would be as soon as the children felt that England was their home nation but you seem able to define as something else, so what is it? As far as how many people from other countries goes I have no idea how many, but considering that we are an island state and have always been seafarers I would guess a considerable number over the last thousand years or so. But the number doesn't come into it for the sake of this argument, you seem to be saying that no matter how small a percentage it is they can never consider themselves English Quote Link to post Share on other sites
tsteve9999 456 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 ethnicity is more of a spectrum imo Same with races in general,on one end we have negroids on the other very nordic Europeans everything in between is more inter bred. No-one wants to wipe out African or south American tribes,or turn japan into a slitty eyed version of Brazil,only Europeans have no right to their homeland and no right to even exist according to some. A man in France recently had to pay 5k in expenses to a pro assimilation group for pointing out the disadvantages of race mixing, and undoing their 'hard work'. I seem to be viewed as an apologist for the shit we're in with immigration here, believe me I agree with everything you say. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charlie caller 3,654 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) Tongue in cheek eh? as far as your rather repetitive and frankly pedantic question about the Greeks goes, let me answer one last time, in the same way that if a Chinese couple came here and had kids, the kids then intermarried, the progeny( assuming they bred with English people) would be Anglo Chinese mixed race, or in your case Anglo Greek mixed race, when the Chinese element of their appearance became so diluted that they appeared to be English, they would then be taken to be English, but the oh so cunning little trap you are trying to spring, does not work, because the English as a Race are comprised of Germanic peoples who share the same roots. so if for instance (just to use your 1000 year analogy) we understand that after William the b*****ds conquest, the Normans, of course mixed with the native English, but you see when you have (like myself) a good grasp of English history, you understand that the Normans were Vikings settled in northern France in the 10th century, so we were mixing with the same peoples, you guessed it, Germanic, and so with the Vikings,from both Norway and Denmark, but of course if you have some startling historical evidence to suggest the English are partly comprised of Amazon Indians, for instance, please do share it with us, I have just re-read my post and remarkably I cannot see a single insult "flung" your way, unless of course you take insult to my objecting to been branded a KKK sympathiser, and alluding to the fact that you seem to think someone proud of his own race, is likely to walk about with a burning cross, or sit listening to the Fuhrers speeches on cold winter nights, what an odd fellow you are. Edited July 2, 2014 by charlie caller Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 So if the English are made up entierly of Germanic blood and a dog born in a stable isn't a horse, doesn't that make us all German? Deutschland, Deutschland über alles Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Not all the invaders in 1066 were Norman,and by that point not all the Normans were pure North men,they're documented to have mixed quite heavily with the french,who had themselves centuries earlier mixed with the Romans. In general I'd say you're right,but we are slightly different to the germans because of the admixture from he other people,which made us a unique and distinct people. Like in a lot of slavic people you can see some east asian influence,but centuries later they have become they're own ethnicity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charlie caller 3,654 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Quite Neems, but I am trying to keep it simple,the Franks (France) were also of Germanic descent, and I accept that not all invaders in 1066 were Norman, some were mercenaries wishing to have their share of the spoils, albeit in the scheme of things in tiny numbers. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charlie caller 3,654 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 So if the English are made up entierly of Germanic blood and a dog born in a stable isn't a horse, doesn't that make us all German? Deutschland, Deutschland über alles Well done, you have grasped the fact that the English are a race of Germanic settlers to this country, and before that England as a nation did not exist, award yourself a gold star Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,818 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 As I've tried to point out this debate is all about defining the terms you use, 'English', 'Ethnicity' etc. As such it's incredibly subjective, which to my mind at least is the cause of such argument. To me, ethnicity is more than just genetic heritage and makeup..... that's your race..... it's far more than that. Your ethnicity is sharing in common just about every aspect of your life with a group of whom you identify yourself with. That's not a 'black and white' definition.... which is the problem. Ethnicity is not just sharing a common gentic heritage but also cultural, religious, political and social beliefes/values/traditions. It's the only way 'English' can be an ethnicity as racially we share very similar genetics to the progeny of the other modern day Germanic peoples (of the same race). But if you consider the English a 'unique mix' then surely you have to break us down even further to the more localised 'unique mixes'? It all get s a bit ridiculous for me at that stage. There will have always been a degree of mixing between ethnicities and races through history. I don't believe for a minute there is such a thing as 'true and absolute racial purity', there are just groups that feel they have a common and unique identity and so define themselves in that subjective way. Ask 1000 Englishmen to very precisely define their English ethnicity and I'll bet my house you'll get dozens of differing definitions when the worth of their definition is really tested. Over the millenia I expect us to change genetically and change culturally, it strikes me as common sense in a world where all the nations are so connected through trade and war. The only way to stop that is to live in complete isolation surely? My view is that that is the natural way of things, what I don't want to see is a loss of our unique identity and that is very different to a gradual evolution and adaptation of that identity. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charlie caller 3,654 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Yes BH I can go along with a large proportion of what you say there," complete isolation" now your talking lad, lol, but some good points raised, maybe we should go for that pint, infact why dont we have a days shooting and then go discuss? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
neems 2,406 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Remove the media and modern technology and all forms of Internationalism, you'll get the base of who we are,everything else stems from that base. Our religion,culture,language etc don't matter as long as we keep the base pure. we can regain our natural religion and culture easily once we're not being manipulated anymore,but if we change our genes we lose the very essence of who we are. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,818 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Yes BH I can go along with a large proportion of what you say there," complete isolation" now your talking lad, lol, but some good points raised, maybe we should go for that pint, infact why dont we have a days shooting and then go discuss? Be nice to meet up at some point in the future. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pesky1972 5,357 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Oh really and what may I ask will happen to the Scottish while this genocide is happening? Will you be rallying to our side? The very fact that you have the audacity to say when all the English are gone, marks you out as a racist, let me ask you, do you think the muslims will stop at England(as I assume this is the END you refer to) no they will come for you too, wake up man and understand what is happening, do you think your highlands and islands will save you? Let me tell you they wont, I dont think you have really grasped anything I have been saying have you? The likes of you and me are under threat, they dont care if you are Scottish, Irish, Welsh , or English you are white pal and perceived as a christian kuffar, even if you are not,there is a storm coming my friend, what you need to do is work out, do you want to stand and fight, or wear a bed sheet and sport a large beard? What genocide? I never mentioned genocide or muslims. I was referring, not for the first time, to the inevitability that the true Anglo-Saxon bloodline, traceable back to the original settlers, will eventually (maybe in a thousand years) be diluted to such an extent that there won't be many real 'English' left....by your definition anyway. How many Englishmen even now have a proven bloodline with no Scottish or Welsh or Irish or Italian... etc. blood in their veins? How many in the England football team? I asked a simple question, I'm not wishing or willing the demise of the Anglo-Saxon bloodline, and I'm certainly not a racist. When your storm comes Charlie boy, I'll be doing the same as everyone else in this country. I'll be watching on Sky news as a police marksman knocks you off the roof of some mosque somewhere...,after you pitched up armed to the teeth and spouting some racist diatribe. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pesky1972 5,357 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Yes BH I can go along with a large proportion of what you say there," complete isolation" now your talking lad, lol, but some good points raised, maybe we should go for that pint, infact why dont we have a days shooting and then go discuss? "Complete isolation"!!! What fcukin planet are you on? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pesky1972 5,357 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Charlie Caller, you can have the final word on this one, I'm tired of this now and it's pretty obvious that we won't agree on any of this. Back to the beginning..... and to the England football team...., the black players, the players with Irish ancestry etc., to me they're 'English'. To most people they're English. Only a nut would try and dispute that. Good luck and try to be happy, Pesky 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
charlie caller 3,654 Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 Charlie Caller, you can have the final word on this one, I'm tired of this now and it's pretty obvious that we won't agree on any of this. Back to the beginning..... and to the England football team...., the black players, the players with Irish ancestry etc., to me they're 'English'. To most people they're English. Only a nut would try and dispute that. Good luck and try to be happy, Pesky To the ill informed and ignorant, and to the lets all breed together,no borders, multi culti liberal quislings amongst us, yes I am sure they are English, but to anyone with an understanding of history, and English identity, they are black British, who play for a football team, nothing more, nothing less In Scotland of today the wonderful "enrichment" that England has had forced upon her, has not reached you yet, BUT IT WILL BE SURE OF THAT, enjoy, and you also try to be happy on your fluffy cloud Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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