Sheffield Hunt Saboteurs

[paulus 26]

Can the anti's not be done for trespassing when their on private land hassling people ?. Was always under the impression england had strict trespass laws.

trespass is a civil offence unless damage is done

[AndyH 52]

The Nottingham w*nkers are harassing a (very good) local pub who let the Mink Hounds set off from their car park. Quite why what happens in Worcestershire matters to a bunch of tw*ts from Nottingham, I'll never know.

[mouse 282]

they come under the Nottingham name mate but they are from all over the place.lots are local to me and you when you look into it.they can get away with it with the minkhounds but it will be a bit different come the winter.

[AndyH 52]

Let 'em! I'm beating just up the road from there this year, and would love to see them make an appearance

[danw 1,748]

 

Can the anti's not be done for trespassing when their on private land hassling people ?. Was always under the impression england had strict trespass laws.

trespass is a civil offence unless damage is done

 

If the intention is to harass or disrupt a lawful activity then the charges of aggravated trespass and disrupting a lawful activity can and should be applied but if all they are doing is trespassing and causing no problems then as you say it is a civil offence that said I am not sure on the laws re taking photo's /video on private land

[AndyH 52]

 

I am not sure on the laws re taking photo's /video on private land

 

 

If they are on a public highway when taking said photos/video, they are perfectly within their rights to film what they want (apart from gov't spooks, extra-sensitive security installations etc.), even if what they are filming is on private land, i.e. photographing a hunt riding on private land whilst stood on a public footpath etc.

If they are on private land, the landowner is able to ask them to leave, but cannot force them to delete any images/footage, or to show them what they have been already taken. Taking the camera and deleting anything on it is criminal damage (and probably assault & theft during the process too) as you are destroying the property of someone else. It's also pretty pointless, considering the deletion recovery software available.

Edited June 29, 2014 by AndyH

[danw 1,748]

 

 

I am not sure on the laws re taking photo's /video on private land

 

If they are on a public highway when taking said photos/video, they are perfectly within their rights to film what they want (apart from gov't spooks, extra-sensitive security installations etc.), even if what they are filming is on private land, i.e. photographing a hunt riding on private land whilst stood on a public footpath etc.

If they are on private land, the landowner is able to ask them to leave, but cannot force them to delete any images/footage, or to show them what they have been already taken. Taking the camera and deleting anything on it is criminal damage (and probably assault & theft during the process too) as you are destroying the property of someone else. It's also pretty pointless, considering the deletion recovery software available.

Cheers

[neems 2,406]

 

I am not sure on the laws re taking photo's /video on private land

 

If they are on a public highway when taking said photos/video, they are perfectly within their rights to film what they want (apart from gov't spooks, extra-sensitive security installations etc.), even if what they are filming is on private land, i.e. photographing a hunt riding on private land whilst stood on a public footpath etc.

If they are on private land, the landowner is able to ask them to leave, but cannot force them to delete any images/footage, or to show them what they have been already taken. Taking the camera and deleting anything on it is criminal damage (and probably assault & theft during the process too) as you are destroying the property of someone else. It's also pretty pointless, considering the deletion recovery software available.

 

 

criminal damage means altering tangible property so that it can't be used for it's intended function.

 

theft means withholding tangible property from a person with the intention of permenantly depriving them of it.

 

and assault means causing someone to apprehend immediate unlawful violence or applying unlawful force (battery).

 

If you can snatch a camera off someone and delete footage without damaging anything or applying any force and make sure you give it back after should be ok imo,in court at least you could well still get arrested.

[the_stig 6,614]

The Nottingham w*nkers are harassing a (very good) local pub who let the Mink Hounds set off from their car park. Quite why what happens in Worcestershire matters to a bunch of tw*ts from Nottingham, I'll never know.

students at nottm uni...

[morton 5,368]

I despair with the modern hunter, not to long ago the sabs were welcomed with open arms,greeted with a wave and how-do,s,invited to follow the hunt and offered assistance as they navigated gates,fences and walls.Invited to view the hunt from a position that would best suit and befit their purpose,after the usual exchange of pleasantries and bon ami,they were then taken to the next vantage point,then twatted,how times change. :whistling: .

[AndyH 52]

 

 

I am not sure on the laws re taking photo's /video on private land

If they are on a public highway when taking said photos/video, they are perfectly within their rights to film what they want (apart from gov't spooks, extra-sensitive security installations etc.), even if what they are filming is on private land, i.e. photographing a hunt riding on private land whilst stood on a public footpath etc.

If they are on private land, the landowner is able to ask them to leave, but cannot force them to delete any images/footage, or to show them what they have been already taken. Taking the camera and deleting anything on it is criminal damage (and probably assault & theft during the process too) as you are destroying the property of someone else. It's also pretty pointless, considering the deletion recovery software available.

 

 

criminal damage means altering tangible property so that it can't be used for it's intended function.

 

theft means withholding tangible property from a person with the intention of permenantly depriving them of it.

 

and assault means causing someone to apprehend immediate unlawful violence or applying unlawful force (battery).

 

If you can snatch a camera off someone and delete footage without damaging anything or applying any force and make sure you give it back after should be ok imo,in court at least you could well still get arrested.

 

 

I used to work as a photographer, I'm perfectly aware of the law. A photograph is your property; it is a physical entity, as well as being an item of intellectual property. If someone snatched my camera and deleted the photos, I'd fully pursue them through the law as they have no right whatsoever to do that.

[shropshire dan 467]

Sounds like we are quite lucky in Shropshire as I've not had or heard of any sabs in this area

[Buch 145]

Not that ive had much dealing with them but they seem to try and provoke people a lot of the time, probably best to avoid filling them in unless its self defense no matter how annoying. We are after all locked into a battle for public opinion and it would deffinatly be used against us if they could spin it against us.

[neems 2,406]

 

 

 

I am not sure on the laws re taking photo's /video on private land

 

If they are on a public highway when taking said photos/video, they are perfectly within their rights to film what they want (apart from gov't spooks, extra-sensitive security installations etc.), even if what they are filming is on private land, i.e. photographing a hunt riding on private land whilst stood on a public footpath etc.

If they are on private land, the landowner is able to ask them to leave, but cannot force them to delete any images/footage, or to show them what they have been already taken. Taking the camera and deleting anything on it is criminal damage (and probably assault & theft during the process too) as you are destroying the property of someone else. It's also pretty pointless, considering the deletion recovery software available.

criminal damage means altering tangible property so that it can't be used for it's intended function.

theft means withholding tangible property from a person with the intention of permenantly depriving them of it.

and assault means causing someone to apprehend immediate unlawful violence or applying unlawful force (battery).

If you can snatch a camera off someone and delete footage without damaging anything or applying any force and make sure you give it back after should be ok imo,in court at least you could well still get arrested.

I used to work as a photographer, I'm perfectly aware of the law. A photograph is your property; it is a physical entity, as well as being an item of intellectual property. If someone snatched my camera and deleted the photos, I'd fully pursue them through the law as they have no right whatsoever to do that.

Intellectual property isn't protected by common law,so the police won't arrest anyone for stealing an idea for example.

 

if it's tangible it or a similar item can be displayed before a court.

 

I've deleted pictures from peoples phones before and admitted it to the police with no action taken.

[TOPPER 1,809]

we used to get a few down here but after some education we don t see them anymore