Plummer Terrier Outcross .cmw.

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Not sure about the need to cull anything healthy when often mates have other mates who might want a pup - nothing wrong with asking a few quid for them since they should cost some money to dock, get the shots, properly feed and take time around but I see your point about the £350 price tag.

 

WM - I am nearly sure the PTCGB weren't asked about a breeding programme toward continuing a solid working line. Another well advanced outcross is ongoing in Ireland - all working stuff - just to let you know. Like yours it has no club affiliations nor involvement. I am sure there are others.

WM Edited June 23, 2014 by wirral countryman

[Cargol 302]

No ones claiming to be an expert on anything. Just giving an opinion. As its a "Forum" like you say. I don't give a shit what breed it is as long as it grafts. Best of luck with your plans.

[wirral countryman 2,110]

WM ,what is the different dog Type outcross,your planning to use ,if you don't mind the asking ?

Would you Agree, a Small JAGD..with Packing ability from a Steady line,known for this,could be an Option ?and if Viable, many years down line,would the B&T be a Problem,noticed You had bred B&T coloured Terriers in your past breeding

WM Edited June 23, 2014 by wirral countryman

[the_stig 6,614]

well I`ve just sat and wrote half a page read it twice and it put across my thoughts well --then i thought you know what i really cant be arsed --so here it is in short apart from a couple of lads using the pt to maintain what they need to get them through there life time with terriers the plummer as a breed is fooked and will be gone within 10 years..

Edited June 21, 2014 by the_stig

[wirral countryman 2,110]

No ones claiming to be an expert on anything. Just giving an opinion. As its a "Forum" like you say. I don't give a shit what breed it is as long as it grafts. Best of luck with your plans.

WM Edited June 23, 2014 by wirral countryman

[dixiefried 269]

WM ,what is the different dog Type outcross,your planning to use ,if you don't mind the asking ?

Would you Agree, a Small JAGD..with Packing ability from a Steady line,known for this,could be an Option ?and if Viable, many years down line,would the B&T be a Problem,noticed You had bred B&T coloured Terriers in your past breeding

I'll take that ,as you do Mind !( WAS ALREADY WRITTING as you Replied ) :laugh:

Oh ! an I've seen a Few of Plummers Stock..The Cottage at the End of the World ..was a HOLE !! until I helped Get it in Order..Pigs LIvin' in the House The man was a CRANK !! his Project was BORN to Fail..Too many Folk thinking he was GOD..an kissin' his ass Then not enough Decent chaps ,GUARDING the wee dogs interests..ATB. in your endeavours .

Edited June 21, 2014 by dixiefried

[foresterj 1,096]

Most Plummers are not tested. Pups are bred and sold for money, nothing else is considered apart from coat pattern.

Do you think the average Plummer breeder is going to Cull a pup that they know they can get £350 for?

Not a chance. And there is one of the many problems facing the breed.

Any breed.

[wirral countryman 2,110]

well I`ve just sat and wrote half a page read it twice and it put across my thoughts well --then i thought you know what i really cant be arsed --so here it is in short apart from a couple of lads using the pt to maintain what they need to get them through there life time with terriers the plummer as a breed is fooked and will be gone within 10 years..

WM Edited June 23, 2014 by wirral countryman

[wirral countryman 2,110]

WM

Edited June 23, 2014 by wirral countryman

[the_stig 6,614]

 

well I`ve just sat and wrote half a page read it twice and it put across my thoughts well --then i thought you know what i really cant be arsed --so here it is in short apart from a couple of lads using the pt to maintain what they need to get them through there life time with terriers the plummer as a breed is fooked and will be gone within 10 years..

There is no real breed called a plummer, they are only a Russell type really, it was the egotistical dream of 1 man that was a nutter anyway, I enjoy breeding good working terriers but most of it is finished anyway, lighten up STIG even Plummer himself couldn't get it right and soon moved over to breeding white alsations and reinventing forgotten breeds for a bet, I always have bred other terrier types anyway alongside these little dogs, grab a cool beer and chill, WM

 

I`m chilled just saying it as I see it....

[the_stig 6,614]

Dixie, Plummer was a poor stockman and lost far too many pups and adult dogs because of dirty conditions, his cottage in Lichfield was a dump and so were his kennels, he was a showman for the cameras and enjoyed belittling folk by using big words that he researched before using, I refused a stud off all those so called famous dogs as they were simply too big to be of any use, I couldn't believe the size of his stuff and the main reason I bred away from his lines in the 80's, WM

everywhere he lived or kennelled dogs was a dump as a young man I witnessed him put 6 terriers to ground at once I questioned why ----he told me when I`ve been at the game as long as him I`ll know ---I wont post my conclusion

Edited June 21, 2014 by the_stig

[wirral countryman 2,110]

 

Dixie, Plummer was a poor stockman and lost far too many pups and adult dogs because of dirty conditions, his cottage in Lichfield was a dump and so were his kennels, he was a showman for the cameras and enjoyed belittling folk by using big words that he researched before using, I refused a stud off all those so called famous dogs as they were simply too big to be of any use, I couldn't believe the size of his stuff and the main reason I bred away from his lines in the 80's, WM

everywhere he lived or kennelled dogs was a dump as a young man I witnessed him put 6 terriers to ground at once I questioned why ----he told me when I`ve been at the game as long as him I`ll know ---I wont post my conclusion

 

WM Edited June 23, 2014 by wirral countryman

[Cleanspade 3,322]

i disagree that the plummer will disapear. i feel the problem is they will get more popular. with the resulting indescriminate breeding. my choice would be a russell or patt. from well bred working lines. but an slt. beggers belief. i have no litters planned and dont see myself breeding in the near future. but i have taken a real liking for the breed and it would be good to see more done to protect and improve the stock thats about. there are signs things may improve so hopefully stig is wrong on this one. there will be plummers around for a very long time to come. the standard they work to will be down to the expectations of the owners and breeders of the future. its worth bearing in mind that the percentage of terriers in most breeds that are actually worked is minute compared to the amount being bred.

[the_stig 6,614]

i disagree that the plummer will disapear. i feel the problem is they will get more popular. with the resulting indescriminate breeding. my choice would be a russell or patt. from well bred working lines. but an slt. beggers belief. i have no litters planned and dont see myself breeding in the near future. but i have taken a real liking for the breed and it would be good to see more done to protect and improve the stock thats about. there are signs things may improve so hopefully stig is wrong on this one. there will be plummers around for a very long time to come. the standard they work to will be down to the expectations of the owners and breeders of the future. its worth bearing in mind that the percentage of terriers in most breeds that are actually worked is minute compared to the amount being bred.

don't you think the plummer was / is just a type line that was pushed into the limelight because of egos ---I know lads that have put smooth Russell over plummer bitches and the pups that come with the right markings have been passed off as plummers someone with a big enough ego could take the lakie chuck a Russell over it then a bit of westie and call it the jonesy terrier spend a few years fooking about with it hold a few breed shows with nice big rossettes -----and really that's all the plummer terrier was/is. a mix of dogs passed off to boost someones ego .

Edited June 21, 2014 by the_stig

[Cleanspade 3,322]

 

i disagree that the plummer will disapear. i feel the problem is they will get more popular. with the resulting indescriminate breeding. my choice would be a russell or patt. from well bred working lines. but an slt. beggers belief. i have no litters planned and dont see myself breeding in the near future. but i have taken a real liking for the breed and it would be good to see more done to protect and improve the stock thats about. there are signs things may improve so hopefully stig is wrong on this one. there will be plummers around for a very long time to come. the standard they work to will be down to the expectations of the owners and breeders of the future. its worth bearing in mind that the percentage of terriers in most breeds that are actually worked is minute compared to the amount being bred.

don't you think the plummer was / is just a type line that was pushed into the limelight because of egos ---I know lads that have put smooth Russell over plummer bitches and the pups that come with the right markings have been passed off as plummers someone with a big enough ego could take the lakie chuck a Russell over it then a bit off westie and call it the jonesy terrier spend a few years fooking about with it hold a few breed shows with nice big rossettes -----and really that's all the plummer terrier was/is. a mix of dogs passed off to boost someones ego .

 

your correct of course but this is how most breeds start. and i reckon the plummer snowball has started rolling. helped by the new laws and a large fanbase.