Ficam W

[Matt 160]

The fact that you are quoting an ADAS manual shows how much out of date you are

 

Ask the BPCA, NPTA, NGO or even Natural England.

[Millet 4,497]

Matt yes I use oa2ki but also a food grade, both in powder, didn't get on as well with the wet formulation.

 

Millet, glad you mentioned you'd been drinking, otherwise your posts on this thread would make you look an utter cock!

I'm a utter cock when i have not been drinking especially when folk get misled into believing that diatomaceous earth is the new gold in pest control.. it's been used for year's with bird keeping folk and to be honest it's a crock of shit it simply DOES NOT WORK it's rubbish /shit /garbage and whatever else you want to call it is pure shit... ..maybe if you have 2 mite's in your house you might think it work's.. but maybe if you have an infestation and you have used diatomaceous earth for year's and the infestation still arrived i can simply say the stuff is about as much use as a cock with no ball's..you might aswell go to the pet shop and get some Johnston's Mite powder because that will have the same effect which is no effect..

Edited June 14, 2014 by Millet

[Matt 160]

Given your opinion Millet, it surprises me that so many of the commercial poultry units I know have moved away from illegal Ficam treatments and gone over to DE.

 

But I suppose you must know best eh?

[abarrett 462]

The fact that you are quoting an ADAS manual shows how much out of date you are

 

Ask the BPCA, NPTA, NGO or even Natural England.

Matt the law hasn't changed since 1986

Control of pesticides act 1986

It doesn't matter how old the manual is

I get an audit every 6 months from the AIB and BRC we have to complete legislation , ID and best practice at a min of 90%

Which we pass at 100% for the last 4 years

If you know these two audits you will know that I know what I'm on with

We might just have to agree to disagree

ATB

[Matt 160]

 

The fact that you are quoting an ADAS manual shows how much out of date you are

 

Ask the BPCA, NPTA, NGO or even Natural England.

Matt the law hasn't changed since 1986

Control of pesticides act 1986

It doesn't matter how old the manual is

I get an audit every 6 months from the AIB and BRC we have to complete legislation , ID and best practice at a min of 90%

Which we pass at 100% for the last 4 years

If you know these two audits you will know that I know what I'm on with

We might just have to agree to disagree

ATB

 

 

I'm quite happy for you not to believe me it matters not a jot to me.

 

But I do suggest you have a word with someone who you trust because you are wrong on this one.

 

And your suggestion that the law hasn't changed since 1986 is way out. The Control of Pesticides Regs are gradually being superseded by the Biocides Directive, and best practice has changed considerably.

 

AIB and BRC are standards bodies that lay out standards for food producers not technicians. And yes, I do know a bit about their standards

[Bootsha 1,306]

will ficam kill f****n wasps????

[Matt 160]

will ficam kill f****n wasps????

 

[abarrett 462]

 

I will certainly have a good look in to the over mixing of ficam

 

I will check with bayer and find out if it is against the law to mix stronger than stated on the packaging

 

As this was the disagreement

 

If I am wrong I will be here Monday night to say sorry and admit I didn't know what I was talking about

 

We do a hell of a lot of spraying in blue chip food production sites for a lot of different pests at a lot of different application

 

Rates that's were I was going with audit standards so I do hope I'm not wrong

 

I have got to admit you have made me doubt my self a little bit but only a little bit

 

Back to the mites aquapy through a ulv machine is a good quick way to sort a shed

 

I'd put a smiley face on but I don't know how to

[Bootsha 1,306]

i have mixed 50g of sugar with the vicam as suggested for fly treatment, im hoping the sweetness will also attract the attention of the wasps as they also have a sweet tooth...................... i shall keep you posted as to the results

[abarrett 462]

Ye works even better with insectoban or another oil base product

 

Parlour spray that is used in milking parlours is great stuff and if it's safe round milk equipment it will be fine in a chicken shed

[Matt 160]

i have mixed 50g of sugar with the vicam as suggested for fly treatment, im hoping the sweetness will also attract the attention of the wasps as they also have a sweet tooth...................... i shall keep you posted as to the results

 

Are the wasps sweet feeding where you are Boots? Well early if they are

 

Whatever you do, don't leave mixed Ficam lying around.... apart from the fact that it gets stronger as the water evapourates, it's pretty deadly stuff for other animals that may find it

 

I think what stands out in this thread is the fact that people don't seem to be aware that pesticides are subject to the law, and any use that's not approved could lead to serious trouble with NE and the HSE. A couple of lads that were using Ficam to kill birds a couple of years ago ended up doing porridge.

 

Whilst it's accepted here in the UK that Ficam is a very safe and effective product when used properly, the Americans have banned it completely.

[mole trapper 1,693]

Remember years ago the case of the American operative who did a domestic flea job caused by the family cat, he powdered the cat, liver failure within hours, suitably sued and prosecuted.

Although there is a long overdue move towards stopping access by amateurs to products like this it's going to be a long time coming. Meantime we get more resistance build up because of improper use, just like with the rodent bait fiasco.

[DIDO.1 22,838]

each wasp season when using alot of ficam I get little tingling patches on my face, I wear gloves, cover alls and face mask. Anyone else had that with ficam?

 

Why is it banned in usa?

[BRY 79]

each wasp season when using alot of ficam I get little tingling patches on my face, I wear gloves, cover alls and face mask. Anyone else had that with ficam?

 

Why is it banned in usa?

I get mouth ulcers when using Ficam W / D, even if i use ppe

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

I think the last two posters have highlighted a fact that some lads, might possibly have overlooked.

It is easy to become blasi regarding Ficam W and of course, FicamD,...whereas the truth is, this compound is a fairly harmful product and should be used, with great care and preferably, by those who have an understanding of the dangers, that such a residual insecticide harbours.

Edited June 15, 2014 by Phil Lloyd