Ficam W

[Ratmanwan 66]

Andy, pretty sure matts right on dosage. The picture of the statutory box you put on is the law, whatever it says in that box goes and the dosage rate is in that box

[Millet 4,497]

 

There was a time, when the purchase of such a useful insecticide was limited, to professional useage,..but those days are over.... Whatever,...do go careful with this gear lads,.cos it is dangerous out there...

 

It's the same with sheep dip you need the right paper work to get that but that is also readily available..

[MR TEA POT 1,287]

On the Internet most pesticides,as with most serious and dangerous things,are easy to get,no need for paperwork etc a couple of hours and if you know where to go most products are readily available ?

[Matt 160]

The trouble is that the law is set up so that it's only an offence to use professional use products. Buying, and possession isn't an offence in itself.

 

Misuse of pesticides is being treated more and more seriously, and I know that Natural England are actively seeking to make examples of folks

 

To those of you reacting to it, consider the carrier as well as the product Don't forget that it's only 2% active (with the dust) the rest is talc.

 

The americans banned it because Bendiocarb has a nasty habit of moving around. That sounds strange, I know, but it's considered too 'transferable' and it is a highly toxic product.

 

If I was looking to control Red Mite, I'd be more inclined to go for a micro encapsulated formulation as it would provide longer residual action. Whatever I did, I'd try and rotate any product I used due to the real risk of tolerance to individual active ingredients.

 

As I posted earlier, look at the history. Ficam was the first choice insecticide product when treating bed bugs just a few years ago. Now, it's about the last choice due to it's over use. Personally, I think that with so many people using it (both legally and illegally) against Red Mite, it's only a matter of time before it becomes totally ineffective.

 

Anyone else remember the old Coopex insect powder? Fantastic stuff....

[abarrett 462]

Andy, pretty sure matts right on dosage. The picture of the statutory box you put on is the law, whatever it says in that box goes and the dosage rate is in

 

Kid your just adding to the doubt in my mind I will check tomorrow

 

If I'm wrong I will run round them pheasant pens tomorrow naked whipping my arse with a bramble

 

So here's hoping

[Millet 4,497]

 

If I was looking to control Red Mite,

 

Controlling is not a problem if you keep on top of them...getting rid of an infestation is a different ball game..

[pestie100 5]

Andy, pretty sure matts right on dosage. The picture of the statutory box you put on is the law, whatever it says in that box goes and the dosage rate is in

 

Kid your just adding to the doubt in my mind I will check tomorrow

 

If I'm wrong I will run round them pheasant pens tomorrow naked whipping my arse with a bramble

 

So here's hoping

 

WELL ?????

[Matt 160]

WELL ?????

He's still running

[stormyboy 1,352]

I bet his arse is raw.........

[abarrett 462]

 

Sorry lads I didn't need to use the bramble

 

Right I asked the question was it against the law to over mix ficam w

 

Unfortunately the answer is NO the law only gets broken if misuse comes into play

 

Now on the box the statutory notice is just that a notice

 

Statutory means it is an act not law

 

So you can take a full box of ficam w and in front of defra who ever drop it into 5lts of water

 

Then spray it into let's say a caverty where no harm will come you cannot get done

 

If you spray an house and the cat dies you can that is then misuse

 

I know you won't have it I was going to leave it but there you go

[Matt 160]

I don't know who you've been talking to, but I suspect they need to get themselves up to date.

 

What does 'statutory' mean?

 

If you (or anyone else) thinks they can ignore what the statutory box says, then good luck to you

 

I think it's even an RSPH question.

 

Non-compliance with the label of an approved pesticide is misuse. If you don't believe me, ask the NPTA, NPTC or the BPCA.

 

Tell me I'm wrong and do as you please by all means; just don't mention my name in court; and good luck !

[Matt 160]

Unfortunately the answer is NO the law only gets broken if misuse comes into play

Ah, so you only commit an offence if you use the product you've over mixed? The actual process of mixing at a higher concentration than that approved isn't an offence

 

Now I get you

 

Do as you please when mixing, heaven help you if you actually apply the product

 

 

[abarrett 462]

 

I'm not saying all these body's won't say its wrong they will and I do understand

 

But what I am trying my hardest to explain is you cannot get prosecuted for simply over mixing

 

I will bet you contact who ever you want you will not find one single prosecution for over mixing

 

Misuse all day long

 

It is not against the law

 

We are never going to agree on this been good though

[abarrett 462]

 

Unfortunately the answer is NO the law only gets broken if misuse comes into play

 

Ah, so you only commit an offence if you use the product you've over mixed? The actual process of mixing at a higher concentration than that approved isn't an offence

 

Now I get you

 

Do as you please when mixing, heaven help you if you actually apply the product

 

 

knowing what's safe and knowing your job is the key no luck needed

[Matt 160]

I understand fully what you are saying......... BUT......

 

The fact that no-one has ever been prosecuted (yet) doesn't make it legal.

 

Mixing a stronger concentration than that clearly specified on the label is an offence.

 

As anyone who has sat the RSPH level two knows only to well

 

So the answer to the question asked is, yes, it's an offence to use a pesticide in a way other than that specified on the label, and in particular that specified in the statutory box