Phil Lloyd 10,738 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) Paulus,..some of us are born loners,..we like it that way Edited June 6, 2014 by Phil Lloyd 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
northern lad 2,292 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 (edited) You cannot legislate, against a bunch of feckwits or try and appease folk who have no idea, what the game is about... Non hunters will always struggle to understand, the difference twixt us and the divi chavies... I've spent a long time doing my own thing, as have many others.. I already have my code of conduct,...it is up to us all,.. to walk our own path... ask dymented that question, we are being persecuted and made out to be criminals by the media and the RSPCA. times have changed and make no mistake they are out to ban all hunting with dogs either by use of the law or intimidation, makes no difference what path you walk there all leading to the same place at the minute, to do nothing but to bury ones head in the sand will not stop this. Having your own morals/code of conduct isn't burying your head in the sand Paul,conducting yourself properly and educating people who want to be educated is about all you can do now....sadly these arse clowns are the general publics perception of hunters ,knuckle dragging morons with no respect for life or Toffs on horseback( Joe Publics other concept of "hunters" Edited June 6, 2014 by northern lad 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RemyBolt 420 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 You cannot legislate, against a bunch of feckwits or try and appease folk who have no idea, what the game is about... Non hunters will always struggle to understand, the difference twixt us and the divi chavies... I've spent a long time doing my own thing, as have many others.. I already have my code of conduct,...it is up to us all,.. to walk our own path... ask dymented that question, we are being persecuted and made out to be criminals by the media and the RSPCA. times have changed and make no mistake they are out to ban all hunting with dogs either by use of the law or intimidation, makes no difference what path you walk there all leading to the same place at the minute, to do nothing but to bury ones head in the sand will not stop this. Having your own morals/code of conduct isn't burying your head in the sand Paul,conducting yourself properly and educating people who want to be educated is about all you can do now....sadly these arse clowns are the general publics perception of hunters ,knuckle dragging morons with no respect for life or Toffs on horseback( Joe Publics other concept of "hunters" Agreed. But having your own views of morals and rules of conduct doesn't help the general image of hunting. Unless you become a highlighted example of what a hunter is, then you're just a good person who partakes in hunting. I think Paulus simply means to set out a code of conduct so that those whom do not adhere to the code are viewed as the exception and not the rule. Having a positive, or at least neutral, public perception is going to change things. Granted Gandhi said "Be the change you want to see in the world." But being a good hunter doesn't change public perception if it's accepted that all other hunters are knobs. Change the way things are done, change the perception, keep the sport/passion. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brigzy 1,298 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 I've walked both sides of the fence, day and night. I've followed and supported hounds before and after the ban. I've coursed, lamped, mooched, bushed, worked terriers , above and below. I've fished, worked raptors, shot and snared. My life revolves around Country Sports. Before the ban, I'd be done for "trespass in pursuit of game or coney"; now I'd be done under "The Hunting Act 2004" , The law was never on my side, but to hell with providing them with video evidence that I or my mates had took !!!! These idiots don't represent what I've been doing for almost fifty years !! 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
morton 5,368 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 No matter the good intention with a Code Of Conduct,anybody could quite easily sign up to it,yet many lack the moral fibre and character to adhere to it.The people who need it are the ones that will abuse it,the people who don,t need it will be tarnished regardless.I can see the benefits,i can see the pitfalls,a United front is something the lurcher and terrier brigade fail miserably at. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
northern lad 2,292 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 You cannot legislate, against a bunch of feckwits or try and appease folk who have no idea, what the game is about... Non hunters will always struggle to understand, the difference twixt us and the divi chavies... I've spent a long time doing my own thing, as have many others.. I already have my code of conduct,...it is up to us all,.. to walk our own path... ask dymented that question, we are being persecuted and made out to be criminals by the media and the RSPCA. times have changed and make no mistake they are out to ban all hunting with dogs either by use of the law or intimidation, makes no difference what path you walk there all leading to the same place at the minute, to do nothing but to bury ones head in the sand will not stop this. Having your own morals/code of conduct isn't burying your head in the sand Paul,conducting yourself properly and educating people who want to be educated is about all you can do now....sadly these arse clowns are the general publics perception of hunters ,knuckle dragging morons with no respect for life or Toffs on horseback( Joe Publics other concept of "hunters" Agreed. But having your own views of morals and rules of conduct doesn't help the general image of hunting. Unless you become a highlighted example of what a hunter is, then you're just a good person who partakes in hunting. I think Paulus simply means to set out a code of conduct so that those whom do not adhere to the code are viewed as the exception and not the rule. Having a positive, or at least neutral, public perception is going to change things. Granted Gandhi said "Be the change you want to see in the world." But being a good hunter doesn't change public perception if it's accepted that all other hunters are knobs. Change the way things are done, change the perception, keep the sport/passion. The code of conduct already exists....those that don't adhere to it ,wont in the future imo...the lads in court didn't adhere to basic decency ,let alone a code of conduct,if people need a piece of paper to give them moral guicance on what is/is not acceptable to do to an animal they should be fecked off by decent folk anyway.The publics perception I don't believe will ever change...the media will prevent this largely,with its presentation of our Disney like wildlife and ignorant "celebrities"getting on soap boxes to boost their fading careers....the lads in court will do the rest 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Paulus,..some of us are born loners,..we like it that way Paulus,..some of us are born loners,..we like it that way most of us are born loaners and that's why we are an easy target, maybe a code is or isn't the way forward but i sure as hell know what were doing now ain`t helping either, together we stand a chance, alone just keep looking over your shoulder and say or do nothing when some other legal person working their dogs within the law gets his or her world turned upside down and pray its not you next time, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
abarrett 462 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Stand together and what You have a passion ,past time what ever you want to call it that can't be explained to anyone that doesn't understand what you do and why you do it Unfortunately the very next time some knob head does something stupid involving a working breed of dog You lads that own and work these type of dog will again be tarred with the same brush I can't see what you can do to stop this only Keep your heads down and crack on 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RemyBolt 420 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) You cannot legislate, against a bunch of feckwits or try and appease folk who have no idea, what the game is about... Non hunters will always struggle to understand, the difference twixt us and the divi chavies... I've spent a long time doing my own thing, as have many others.. I already have my code of conduct,...it is up to us all,.. to walk our own path... ask dymented that question, we are being persecuted and made out to be criminals by the media and the RSPCA. times have changed and make no mistake they are out to ban all hunting with dogs either by use of the law or intimidation, makes no difference what path you walk there all leading to the same place at the minute, to do nothing but to bury ones head in the sand will not stop this. Having your own morals/code of conduct isn't burying your head in the sand Paul,conducting yourself properly and educating people who want to be educated is about all you can do now....sadly these arse clowns are the general publics perception of hunters ,knuckle dragging morons with no respect for life or Toffs on horseback( Joe Publics other concept of "hunters" Agreed. But having your own views of morals and rules of conduct doesn't help the general image of hunting. Unless you become a highlighted example of what a hunter is, then you're just a good person who partakes in hunting. I think Paulus simply means to set out a code of conduct so that those whom do not adhere to the code are viewed as the exception and not the rule. Having a positive, or at least neutral, public perception is going to change things. Granted Gandhi said "Be the change you want to see in the world." But being a good hunter doesn't change public perception if it's accepted that all other hunters are knobs. Change the way things are done, change the perception, keep the sport/passion. The code of conduct already exists....those that don't adhere to it ,wont in the future imo...the lads in court didn't adhere to basic decency ,let alone a code of conduct,if people need a piece of paper to give them moral guicance on what is/is not acceptable to do to an animal they should be fecked off by decent folk anyway.The publics perception I don't believe will ever change...the media will prevent this largely,with its presentation of our Disney like wildlife and ignorant "celebrities"getting on soap boxes to boost their fading careers....the lads in court will do the rest I think we're 90% in agreement. If there is a code of conduct and it is legally binding, the good guys can course freely and enjoy what they do. Those being knobs can be called up more easily and locked away. But also, if one of the good coursing guys gets pulled up by some jobsworth, they then have a legal document that shows they were acting legally and within the guidelines. The legal doc also allows for explanation to educate Joe Public about how you're nothing like these cnuts. I use the GL to explain to my non hunter friends about shooting. So many are cool with it now, because they understand the difference between a guy popping shots at birds and a real hunter. A code of practice for coursers should do the same thing. Edited June 7, 2014 by RemyBolt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smithie 2,443 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 today i have seen a lamb coursing a farm cat i thought i was seing thinngs lol i hope the rcpca dont get wind of it. i would hate the farmer to lose 400 sheep Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 today i have seen a lamb coursing a farm cat i thought i was seing thinngs lol i hope the rcpca dont get wind of it. i would hate the farmer to lose 400 sheep just watched a fox stalking two hares chasing each other round in the grass, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
forest of dean redneck 11,686 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 Least if your a loner,you can only get yourself into trouble! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bobcullen79 1,495 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 At least josh looks all set for prison, I see he already got his rosary beads on... Planks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,278 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) Problem being all the lads in it for the right reasons and who do what they do as they have for many years keep themselves to themselves and crack on. Where as the knobs who haven't a clue about the countryside let alone hunting feel the need to film it all.. Madness, I can't imagine a burglar filming himself robbing a house.. Yet these dicks film thereselves carrying out ileagle acts.. I mean what kind if twat would want to shake a cat from a tree to be attacked by dogs, let alone film it... The thing is, hunting ( for me at least) is not just about killing, you see a lot of things when your out and about that others never do, it's about respecting the countryside and what's in it than mindlessly killing everything.... Unfortunately some lads haven't been taught this and f**k it up for the rest.. Edited June 7, 2014 by NEWKID 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
northern lad 2,292 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 Paulus,..some of us are born loners,..we like it that way Paulus,..some of us are born loners,..we like it that way most of us are born loaners and that's why we are an easy target, maybe a code is or isn't the way forward but i sure as hell know what were doing now ain`t helping either, together we stand a chance, alone just keep looking over your shoulder and say or do nothing when some other legal person working their dogs within the law gets his or her world turned upside down and pray its not you next time, Theres no easy answer to this one Paul,something needs to change ,but how??Publicly condemning these lads on heres a start,also lets not forget,the shits hit the fan for one of our own, Dymented,and were all stood shoulder to shoulder Several times on here Ive suggested getting a stand at various events....the last one being the fishing exhibition in Manchester ,thousands attended,a good proportion of these would be I suspect "on the fence" with a few ferts a couple of dogs etc etc Im sure we could have sent quite a few people away with a different opinion of us,when I suggested these things I was met with a deafening silence.... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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