philstory 83 Posted June 6, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 Yes not on my permission but up grinkle esteate plenty of oaks and woodland up there. Quote Link to post
dogs-n-natives 1,182 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 CWD are not great travellers. They can and do exist in large loose 'herds' and appear to be at ease in each others company even during the rut. There is no way on earth CWD would reach the north without human intervention. In fact, their spread is only very slow (unlike the muntjac) even in places where the habitat is ideal. I'm sure that the CWD can make it as far as the Humber, in fact, they are in that region, but the crossing of this natural barrier with it's deadly mud banks and man-made piles must be viewed as almost impossible.....that's JMHO> Interesting JD.. I remember you saying before about them not spreading under their own steam... they have managed to get out east to the coast of Norfolk already lol and Im sure before long some kindly chap will give a pair a boat ride across the Humber it just seems inevitable doesnt it? Quote Link to post
Born Hunter 17,828 Posted June 6, 2014 Report Share Posted June 6, 2014 What's your experience of CWD in Linc's JD? Seems ideal for them and next door to their home counties but where I am at least there's nada! Quote Link to post
J Darcy 5,871 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 IMO the CWD are not good travellers. They are all along the coast now, and while we could surmise that this is due to them spreading we could also be down to being transported by humans like they have done everywhere else. yes, there will be CWD further north of the Humber, but they are a while building up numbers, or, in bad years a small satellite group could easily die out due to the death of a couple of breeding does I should imagine. The CWD was deliberately introduced to Cambridgeshire, to Woodwalton (and surrounding) fens. Then at a later stage the Norfolk Broads got a few transplanted. They didn't migrate their on their own. Thats JMHO..... p.s BH, they are on the coast but not inland in any significant numbers I wouldn't think....though i will stand corrected. 1 Quote Link to post
sussex 5,777 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 Iv just always wondered why they aren't spread through out the whole country. Plenty of woodland round me for the fallow and muntjac. You will be right about the chinese water deer, not the right habitat for them up here. But saying that, the populations in general are all increasing and spreading in most areas of the UK, if you look back at the history of deer, it was much worse, roe were wiped from the whole of England and even with re-introductions in the far south of England they are still absent from fair chunks of the south, they are only recent arivals in Kent....I bet the folk in those areas are sick of fallow and long for swift footed roe!! Your quite right to say the roe are relative new comers to parts of Kent but so are the fallow . Whilst the Kent /Sussex border is fairly teaming with fallow there are areas of Kent that have no deer at all , which seems strange given the amount of woodland /arable land available to them . 1 Quote Link to post
hutchey 147 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 I know, it's depressing. I need to move! Quote Link to post
novice 25 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 Just wait until they start dropping all the mature forestry in the Tweed Valley and Eskdalemuir. I reckon there will be a few sika looking for a new home and kielder isn't a million miles away. Once they've got a decent foothold there, they'll be there for good! Novice Quote Link to post
dogs-n-natives 1,182 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 Just wait until they start dropping all the mature forestry in the Tweed Valley and Eskdalemuir. I reckon there will be a few sika looking for a new home and kielder isn't a million miles away. Once they've got a decent foothold there, they'll be there for good! Novice Nowadays I spend more time up the Tweed than down in the Tyne anyway, but it will be great to have them down home for sure! There was one shot not too far north of the border, a stag, but it seems he was a lone ranger. Quote Link to post
sussex 5,777 Posted June 7, 2014 Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 I know, it's depressing. I need to move! Hutch ....I see a fallow doe last week not 4 miles from Tenterden ....only one but its a safe bet their are a few more with it , just don't shoot them ....yet ... 1 Quote Link to post
philstory 83 Posted June 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2014 To get a foot hold in a new area would take a few breeding adults to really stay and rear there young. Before you could start and get after them. Quote Link to post
shotgun tim 27 Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 there has been munjac seen buy a few people in the scot borders i went out for a look and only seen there tiny slots but there here!! Quote Link to post
dogs-n-natives 1,182 Posted June 20, 2014 Report Share Posted June 20, 2014 Yeah I heard that Tim. They have popped up all over... South Northumberland too. Quote Link to post
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